Team Hoian/hayhay/sidtip vs Team Kittenz/Bote (TomMAffolter)

[Wendella]

Somewhere back in this thread is a post that attacks me. I'm just gonna reply by memory cuz it's too hard to find on my phone.

Densha/Ecchi posted about a FS MP but didn't include the address. This back around September or so. Does hat ring any bells? I don't remember specifics but it was in trying to check if that was same place that Lausang had just told me, I asked him if this was the place. Maybe he remembers this better than I do, and can say how it happened. Shortly after that he blabbed out the address in the thread, and I was surprised and inmediately contacted Lausang to apologize, because yes I did break my word to him by doing that. He seemed to take it in stride and I'm pretty sure he said its fine to share that info now. (Lausang feel free to chime in of you remember how this went down -- I deleted all my PM's, I have no records of anything any more).

Tom, I wish you wouldn't get upset about this stuff. And please don't say things like "your sad life" and that kind of thing. You know I would never say something like that to you. And I think you do realize I'm not as bad as you make me out to be here. You have a real tendency to gravitate to he harshest view of people, quite critical of people in general. I really try to filter that stuff when talking with you, not take it seriously because it seems like it's part of your makeup. And I quite enjoy talking to you about the substantive stuff or the hobby. This stuff with you and Hoian
Is pretty out of control and not really any point to it. I skip over most of it.

Back to the FS MP stuff. Because some here, MC particlilarly, don't like that info to be out there, I'm respecting that and not sharing it -- there was a time back in November or so when I did share it a bit. But I stopped. I apologized to the guy who I owed an apology to. It doesn't erase my fuckup, I know. At that time I don't think Tom and I were even on speaking terms. Anyway, I'm not sure it's worth all this. IF those places get shut, they'll reopen elsewhere. I doubt Tom depends on his tour biz much, so that's not it.

Wish we could talk about the good stuff instead.

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

why you know that le duyen 4 and similar places do hj now...thats what he wants he doenst want to go to the massage places like DN and VD etc for a hj...btw i have had UNCOMFIRMED rumours of d1 hotocs like le duyen4 but not those in the same area as LD4, where a bj is 800k, cant remembr if that incl vIP room fee, and if want fs then take her to nearby hotel for 3mill

I'm told the ones on NCT do HJ. BJ not sure.

Whoa. 800 for BJ and 3 mil FS, they would need to be seriously hot. Which, let's face it, never happens.

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

For all your posts abt how effective you are communicating via google translate, and how popular u are being a foreigner with the girls...its sad that u had to pay a extra 200k to lure girls so they would agree to meet you.... definately a good reason for me not to tell you abt local places as with your behaviour it wont be long before they think all foreigners are stupid and desperate that they are willing to pay more for the same product....thats what annoys me, u forigners complain how in d1 you guys are being ripped off and overcharged..one price for foreigners and one price of locals...and yet when push comes to shove you WILLING pay more even when u know what the charge is...fucken hypocrites...and were u the fucker who argued that girls willingly go with foreigners on the other site..and that foreigners will have no probs hooking up with these girls...if you are gonna pay a extra 200k each time to meet these girls maybe u should pay someone to teach u how to read and write vietnamese or i know ill do teh translation and texting for u, ill charge only 100k each contact hahaha

Hypocrites!
It was actually more complicated than I told it. When I texted her to say I went to the wrong hotel but I would be there in 5 minutes, she misunderstood and then CAME to that wrong hotel just to then find out I wasn't there. About foreigner surcharge, normally there'd be no problem, girl would come to room and all good. It was only cuz she learned I was foreigner via SMS that she had the chance to pull that one. Negotiation tactic. She knew I was in a room already, had committed.

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

yeah the ones on nct i have heard do something extra i think it was hj and this was mentioned like last year, i have heard the other ones in a diff area are the 800k, 3 mill thing ie recently, but im pretty sure the op asked abt ld4 and those in the immediate area around ld4...those i havent heard anything

did you look at the quality of what's on offer for 3mil?

I just find it hard to believe there can be girls here who'd seem worth that.

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

LINH is at another place..loan in my book is more MILFY...id also give her a 6.5 as she def older...as i said i gave them all roughly 6.5 cuz say phuc yeah i agree face is prettier but she doenst have the tall slender shape trinh has nor has she that youthfulness chi has...loan is older looks sluttier etc...service wise, trinh, then loan, then phuc then chi..she doenst have the technique

OK I see now. Just went back and looked at his earlier post, didn't remember details of it. So this could be anywhere.

One thing I tuned into. With my last 2 website girls, both outstanding BJ's, a notch better than the cafe oms, I notice those girls lie down between your legs whereas the cafe om ones sit to the side and lean down. Not sure why but there's a certain something extra I think due to the positioning. Though it's also what they do with their mouth of course. That said, there's certain things done in the cafe om that are better than what my web girls did. Deep throat for example. (and then the cost, like is the website girl really 5-6 times as good as the cafe om girl at BJ ... probably not).

This 800/3 mil place, is it one where you would be able to choose your girl? If its a massage where you are assigned one, the rest kept hidden, yeah that's probably not even worth checking out.

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

i always prefer the girls next to me so my hand can finger their pussy...i get the best bj at hottoc....as to the 800/3m place its operates like HY in q10...and the thing u mention where the girls are hidden from you...i think thats a problem ONLY you encounter...i always get offered the full range...and one last mention maybe its due to my age maybe it due to the sheer number of girls i get in a week/month /year...but the reason i go get sex/bj isnt due to the bj etc itself...its due to teh fact that i can meet new girls, see them naked get to feel their naked bodies ...so very much like the things u and pting mention ie finding something to do to extend that 30-40min you would get in a fj encounter...cafe om - 100k for 20mins, webgirls 600k for 40mins, so for that 600k i can get to experience 6 cafe om girls for 120min...its not even that important the whole bj...some days when i go exploreing to mytho binh dung or whatever where it takes me a long time to get there, i often go get bj from 4-5 girls...and in those situations i dont even care abt the bj just as long as she puts her mouth near my dick and i get to finger and play with her tits....and the cost is only 100k or so, i KNOW i wont be able to cum...so how well the bj is performed is a small issue

I see. Not many of us go on excursions like that. Wish I could.

the thing I mention with massage is where you come in and get sent to a room and a girl of their choosing shows up, there's no lineup selection like in HY. That seems common at massage places.

My Tho, did you find those cafe oms I saw coming back from Mekong?

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

ps i got zapped by some cowards saying i talk to much so unless it directly deals with paid sex better take this to pm

Yeah this is a web forum, there's not supposed to be any talking here. I often get that one, a few at once usually. Suspect it's from same person using clones. Oh! Who could it be?

Retard(s).

My reasons for not having time are pretty good, trust me. I can't say more without giving over private details.

After this last one, I'm definitely done with the cafe girls. And in fact as it has been in decline, last 2 weeks, I've gone out to find things to take my mind off it. Hence the reports.

Yesterday a weird thing happened. I went on wechat (another thing I do to take my mind off) and spotted a girl I knew from a cafe a while back, one I very much had the hots for then but never did anything about, just talked in the cafe, enjoyed the eye candy and company. My wechat profile is totaly anonymous, use fake name and photo. Anyway, I messaged her and got a reply that indeed it is for "services" -- but now a dilemma. Maybe a dilemma. With Wechat you never know. Is it real or fake? So assuming the pics are real, what to do. I only know this girl from real life. So if I reply to this offer and meet at a hotel, anonymously, and she shows up at the door, well, that's gonna be WEIRD when she sees it's me. I mean, she'd freak out, almost surely. And that'd be a pretty sleazy underhanded way of doing it. But if I went to her cafe, well it's back to square one, "would you like to go out some time?" (UGH) "Hey you aren't by any chance a prostitute are you?" So these 2 options seem pretty bad.

But of course I still dunno if it's the real girl or not. So I decide to just go on wechat and get some talk going. There's definitely a 1.2mil offer on the table. I intersperse some key questions to check. She tells me wrong district where she lives. She tells me she has no motorbike (wrong again). And she tells me her name is Huong (strike 3!). (yes I realize even if it's really her, she might lie about these just to protect her privacy) (also the Engilsh is way too good -- strike 4) And I tell her I wanna meet the girl in the photo, is she sure that's really her. Yes she's sure. OK, because I think I meet that girl before. Long pause. Then she comes back with now she's busy with her BF and I can meet THIS GIRL (photo of other girl sent). Aha. OK so now it's looking like these are just borrowed photos being used, typical bait and switch. I pressed her on that, said look it's ok but I think that photo not really you, right? Then I said that girl has a motorbike, I know. I said I only want to meet girl in the photo, I don't want to meet other girl, can I meet that girl or can not? Then I get a reply You are Vietnamese. Don't bother me. (WTF!!!)

From that point on, my messages were blocked.

So I'm 99.99% sure it's just someone who grabbed my friend's photos. Or it could possibly be (doubt it) that it's really her and she freaked out about meeting someone who might already know her. Or maybe really did get paranoid about it being a cop or something? Nah, no way.

[hoian]

Some pimp mentioned that place not worth it. Glad u liked it.

Originally Posted by Hokilai

...Minh tam 2 very far from the place I lived. The place was huge, there were a lot of rooms I guess. As usual I choose the VIP room, when I enter the room I was quite amazed, there was a sofa, stylish bath tub, and they served fruits and water. The lady enter, fair skin ,cute, the boobs was full, it reminds me of Meghan trainor song, All About That Breast. She is super GFE, I was completely did not lift my finger, she passionately bathing and washing me, every part , every corner of my body…even when I want to dry myself with the towel after bath, she took over it, she gently rubbing my body with the towel. Like you mopping your car after you washed it. After the ritual, which cost me 400K, she asked me to sit on the sofa, while she sat next to me, peeling the fruit and put it into my mouth… Even your wife won’t do that for you for god Sake !!! …

[lausung]

I am talking to Tom about vietnam culture when you pop up here. He is kind enough to share with me his experience in Vietnam.
Well you are the real pimp, intro a 20 dollar hotel and claim it is 5 star hotel equivalent to a 70 dollar hotel. I never really bother to stay your cockroach infested 20 dollar hotel, just enterain u when u pm me.

You ask me to intro my girl to u, probably you cannot find pretty girl to work for your pimping service. You create a fake story of having Vietnam model girls sleeping with you in your 20 dollar hotel. You must have pimp those dark skin girls and put them there instead. Lucky i find excuse not to meet u when u pm me.

You try recommend your girls through wechat to a few bros here, none of them not interested when they see the quality of the girls u have, probably most are dark skin girls right? You become angry after they reject your girls.

You are the real snake oil man. Now being exposed, you get angry and come back to create trouble. Look at my attached post, most people will understand. Guys, becareful of this hoian. Who is the real pimp? This is how a stealth agent approach, pretend to make friend and recommend you some good deal. Then they sell his pimping service to you, recommend some model girl but in actual fact are lousy girls.

Originally Posted by hoian

Some pimp mentioned that place not worth it. Glad u liked it.

[hoian]

For readers of this thread who are wondering what the saga is all about; who said what etc, the following is a summary:

Hoian:
- Accused of never having been to VN (yet somehow he has a VN mobile number at one time and can understand VN)
- Accused of being a 50+ old man living in his mum's basement
- Accused of begging for contacts of whores in VN
- Latest accusation is that Hoian is a "stealth agent"... (not sure what that means).
Conclusion: Tom is running out of accusations. He, himself, is confused and can't make up his mind whether Hoian has been to VN or not; and why he would need whore contacts in VN if he has never entered the country.

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Why Tom/MC hates Hoian so much?
- Hoian spotted & revealed that Tom is a clone of mutantchicken who was previously banned from this forum for being a troublemaker.
- Hoian understands VN and noted that the whores that Tom posted on this forum were ripped off from the VN sex forums.
- Hoian sees through all Tom's attempt at click-bait to lure unsuspecting newbies to use his services

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Truths about Tom/MC:
- Said to be the son of Vietnamese boat ppl escaping VN during the war
- Believed to have been dropped on his head while his mum was giving birth to him resulting in a head trauma... he basically "sees" things and hallucinates a lot. Hence all his incredible stories about Hoian.
- Had a hard time adjusting and trying to fit in while growing up in his adopted country. Hence he had to move back to VN to make a living.
- Couldn't find a proper job while back in VN due to his medical problem. Ends up pimping instead (but tells his mum that he is a rich & retired at 30-something... a hallucination). Fact is, if someone is rich, he would not need to find cheap whores in dark alleys and ends up being whacked with a broom.
- Tom's modus operandi is similar to bringing unsuspecting Arab tourists in S'pore to Geylang to find WLs at $30 a pop. The Arab tourists will end up feeling very grateful to Tom for taking them to a "secret" hideout called Geylang.
- Customers like Lausung who are clueless about VN are like those Arabs.

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Lausung (minor character who recently surfaced in a feeble attempt to protect his pimp):

- A dim-witted two-faced character (in Chinese we call "double-headed snake") who appears on the scene around May 2015 appearing to be humble and needing guidance (his good acting even fooled Hoian).
- Initiated contact with Hoian via PM on 3 May 2015 under the pretext of asking for hotel info.
- Resorted to making up stories about having some luck with the local VN working gals (which later turned out to be fantasy tales)
- In reality, he secretly engaged the services of Tom the pimp for US$100 because of his failure in VN.
- Recently got found out and turned around and said Hoian "begged" him for gal contact (very likely acting under instructions from his pimp)
- Lausung has recently announced that he will not be back in VN again, having explored the "Geylang" back lanes of Saigon. And has passed all his useless information to Wendella.
- His pimp Tom claims he is "highly educated and highly paid professional"... which leads us to wonder then why he needs to look for a 3rd grade pimp to help him source for cheap whores in back alleys? And also why he needs to suss around for cheap motels ($15 - 20 range)?
- In reality he has not had much success hence had to resort to paying Tom US$100 to be his pimp... bring him on his motorbile to dark alleys to find the cheap whores.

[lausung]

Stealth agent after being exposed, Bros beware of this "hoian"
Nothing to offer but his pimping service of those girls he call them "model"

Hoian wrote about his success as a businessman in vietnam but have so much time in sammyboyforum writing nonsense.
Who you really want to smoke? Sounds like a loser writing your story to make readers believe u...anyway enough exposing u...have a fun time here.

if you are not a stealth agent, then u must have a real pitiful character
Despite all the evidence i post, you still can deny, u are a real thick skin stealth agent.

It is good enough if others does not fall for your trick, i dont really mind being flame by you.
It is my last post, up to reader to decide. Just Beware of this snake con man "hoian"

Originally Posted by hoian

- His pimp Tom claims he is "highly educated and highly paid professional"... which leads us to wonder then why he needs to look for a 3rd grade pimp to help him source for cheap whores in back alleys? And also why he needs to suss around for cheap motels ($15 - 20 range)?
- In reality he has not had much success hence had to resort to paying Tom US$100 to be his pimp... bring him on his motorbile to dark alleys to find the cheap whores.

[hoian]

This Lausung lowly character claimed to have fucked one of the local gals and guess what... posted her photo online.

I thought that is such a despicable act... but I gave him the benefit of the doubt thinking he is just a newbie so I advised him to take down the photo and not expose innocent gals unnecessarily.

See my advice to him in the PM.

Initially I had wanted to cut him some slack, let the matter rest, not wanna exposed him too much since he is a newbie. But since he is adamant about protecting his pimp, I have no choice but to post his PM to me in its FULL context so that bros can make up their minds who is the despicable cad here.

Now both the pimp Tom and his loyal customer Lausung are accusing me of being a "stealth agent.". That means I am covertly trying to earn money or something. If there is anyone here whom I have ever asked for money, pls speak up... and I will self-exile myself from this Forum.

Tom/MC, however, have been using this Forum to lure newbies as customers without paying the Forum owner advertising fees. He is actually the "stealth agent" ... case of the pot calling the kettle black.

PS: If there is one thing I am guilty of, it is wanting to meet more locals in the south so that I can improve my spoken Vietnamese further as I had first learnt VN in Hanoi... not really interested in sex with strangers as I already have my own frens in VN. This Lausung turned this around by saying I "begged" him for contacts. Well... I leave to u guys to decide who is telling the truth.

Originally Posted by lausung

Stealth agent after being exposed, Bros beware of this "hoian" ...Nothing to offer but his pimping service of those girls he call them "model"... It is my last post, up to reader to decide.

[hoian]

Here is lausung again where he LIED in 4 instances. Said he prefers DIY, dun need a guide... fact is... while he is lying to me... he is also negotiating with his pimp Tom/MC to take him around for US$100.

Frankly, it is his business if he engages a pimp. I dun give a rat's ass. But I dun see why he needs to lie about it... just to pretend to be my "friend"?

You guys decide. Can u trust a LIAR?

[hoian]

LOL that's a feeble attempt to cover up for your customer. The photo he posted was not masked if memory serves me right... u just conveniently added the word. It even shows the gal's name tag which shows where she works.

Now where is the proof that I am a stealth agent?

Originally Posted by TomMAffolter

...and he posted her masked pic..whats wrong with that...

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

Sorry mates..seriously why are you guys arguing about something which most of us don't care? I'm curious ...the last few pages of this thread are non informative except arguments ...

Not tired meh
Live in Sillypore so stress already...still argue over small things ...this is a virtual platform where you guys don't even know each other..why argue with someone you don't even know

Make money and have more sex is more sextisfying ..life so short