When I was in XIAN with my Chinese GF, was raid by Gongan in the room middle of the night.
5 man some in plain clothes and some in uniform
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Next morning, I checked with the hotel counter regards to the raid, they told me GA want a list of guest in Chinese names that are staying there so ............get the point guys
That is my true real life experience in XIAN, @ Days Inn Hotel for 3 days
When you register at most hotels in China, your passport or ID is scanned and passed to the police. It will be very suspicious if you registered in a English name and the Chinese girl's ID in Chinese. In my opinion, this would really stick out. They would guess the guy is a Caucasian with a Chinese prostitute. For now, be careful if you are a white guy.
It's catch-22 situation... Din register lady in room die.. Register wid girl sore thumb stick out die... In sg we call it's a LPPL "gay tio" situation...
Received a WECHAT message from a Swan Lake Hotel Footie JS that they will re-open on March 1. Let us see was will happen what I replied to her, as nowadays, you can't be sure of whatever you hear from Ground Zero. Sorry guys, don't know about PZL & QZG or other 'Clean' footie joints.
Just chat with a PZL JS yesterday..
According to her, there is totally no news from the management as to when they will open...
They have not choice but to wait wait and wait for news...
I would like to think there are many big bosses in DG earning more n more big bucks thru this sex industry..
So the authorities need to clamp down the $ source...also to show whos the boss.
Prostitution clampdown just the cover.....the $ source/wealth accumulated by all those involved is the main thing.
They had been under the radar for sometime....taking action is just a matter of time.
My only wish after the clampdown.....we can see 2-5-8 again.
We had been complaining prices going up n MMs attitude getting worse...perhaps this should be a wake up call.
I would like to think this could be to our benefit.
Well... I see totally the opp of what u wishing for...
If things really force to go underground, undercover... I only see pricing going up up up...
Less mm will be willing to take risk... Some who can't wait for KTV to reopen, take up offers to work else where, offer to be bao by customers at a lower rate, or totally 从良... End of the game...
From what I observed these past 3-4 years, WL is no longer as hard press for money as before... In fact a lot of them I know work for the fun of it. Cause it's easy money. Earn and play.
I'm hearing less and less gals telling me that they need to send money home, build houses etc...
A lot of them are also more highly educated. Knows and better info.
When less gals is working... What do u think will most likely happen... Haiz...
Well... I see totally the opp of what u wishing for...
If things really force to go underground, undercover... I only see pricing going up up up...
Less mm will be willing to take risk... Some who can't wait for KTV to reopen, take up offers to work else where, offer to be bao by customers at a lower rate, or totally 从良... End of the game...
From what I observed these past 3-4 years, WL is no longer as hard press for money as before... In fact a lot of them I know work for the fun of it. Cause it's easy money. Earn and play.
I'm hearing less and less gals telling me that they need to send money home, build houses etc...
A lot of them are also more highly educated. Knows and better info.
When less gals is working... What do u think will most likely happen... Haiz...
I agree with your point that prices will go up in some places.
What I envision happening is that CP will move from a black market situation where supply/demand is fully in coordination with the invisible hand to one whereby there is regulatory control of prices by usage of overt licensing schemes.
SEAJ's opinion on the matter whereby the government exercises moral objection, but allows the careful operation, licensing and most of all regulation is also something that I think will come to pass.
So what this means is that CP might become a sort of proto-type Geylang with more options - I think the social mores of today in China does allow for the existence of a cordoned off area to "play" as long as there isn't mafia, drug, gangsterism etc. That is the gals and guys are all consenting adults making a agree-able trade, and that there is no human trafficking, gals being forced into the trade, underage prostitution etc.
That being said regulatory control doesn't always mean higher prices. Looking at Geylang, the prices are actually very very affordable, although it's very much a Pay and Fuck off model, which might not pass in a KTV.
Here are my thoughts as to what may come to pass, I am sure a lot of bros will disagree and have different opinion:
1. KTVs throughout dongguan will be more in line with Beijing and Shanghai, no more f street but line-up. See DFML or DFJH for an example. It doesn't mean there is less gals though. KTV might also no longer give the option of a three tier pricing, just have the sitting fee, and take home is between you and gal. They might figure a way to take an extra cut if you take the gal back but that's not revealed to the punter.
2. The line up aspect of the Sauna might be toned down or even removed altogether. It might be the case where you go to a Sauna for a relaxing dip in a pool, and by the way have an option to go to a room with a massage therapist. (maybe a bit like Macau's system) I don't know how it can work to the satisfaction of the punter as well as the government. it might signal the death of this particular activity. I
3. Dirty Footies and BBS' might be completely removed. The licensing and regulatory framework might not allow low budget places to operate any more.
The government if they do regulation will definitely require all girls to undergo mandatory health checks - there is a surge of AIDs in Guangdong and DG last year and that's a postulated cause of this focus on prostitutions.
Anyway, the direction of CP will be interesting, and I look forward to see what steps will occur. It's definitely going to change up, but whether it is for the better or worse its really really difficult to say.
Well... I see totally the opp of what u wishing for...
If things really force to go underground, undercover... I only see pricing going up up up...
Less mm will be willing to take risk... Some who can't wait for KTV to reopen, take up offers to work else where, offer to be bao by customers at a lower rate, or totally 从良... End of the game...
From what I observed these past 3-4 years, WL is no longer as hard press for money as before... In fact a lot of them I know work for the fun of it. Cause it's easy money. Earn and play.
I'm hearing less and less gals telling me that they need to send money home, build houses etc...
A lot of them are also more highly educated. Knows and better info.
When less gals is working... What do u think will most likely happen... Haiz...
I on e other hand have +ve thought abt e Raid
1st with regards to less MM willing to risk work , & tat price may gone up
-> I don't really think so,CP MM rate have increased many time, & if u look around at tis forum, u notice many of our guys cut down the frequency of going or cut short e trip. No one can continue to pay high price & don't care. In fact I think todays CP MM rate oledy hit e limit (some cat. 5, 1.5, 2).. Tis is equilavant to almost S$500. If u can pay S$500, u hv choices! No need to go CP. the reason tat Y guys stil going, because of e language & freedom of getting sex services/open concept!
After e crack down, I don't think we will still see e same freedom /open concept! we once see in CP b4, wat left is just ordinary massage ctr, with some selectively providing 'added services'..ordinary htl KTV, w/o FS & MM be call line up in privite rms for selection. We may no longer see HD, as e KTV don't wan risk getting caught! And tis time they ar w/o backing frm e GongAnn & Authorities they use to hv...
W/O all e attraction, CP KTV is as ordinary as those in GZ/SZ & other parts of China. Customers will then hv choice shld they want to travel to CP, or jus stay & play in city.. Because of tis competition & choices...CP will need bring down e price...of KTV & MM, to attract customers to e Small Town again
Imaging, if u were to pay 5, 1.5, 2..in CP for KTV, u can also get Top models in SZ..why would u want to go all e way to CP, while day time it hv less activities than SZ. The latter also hv better transportations, facilities & place to go
Well... I see totally the opp of what u wishing for...
If things really force to go underground, undercover... I only see pricing going up up up...
Less mm will be willing to take risk... Some who can't wait for KTV to reopen, take up offers to work else where, offer to be bao by customers at a lower rate, or totally 从良... End of the game...
From what I observed these past 3-4 years, WL is no longer as hard press for money as before... In fact a lot of them I know work for the fun of it. Cause it's easy money. Earn and play.
I'm hearing less and less gals telling me that they need to send money home, build houses etc...
A lot of them are also more highly educated. Knows and better info.
When less gals is working... What do u think will most likely happen... Haiz...
What is CP be like if
1) KTV w/o with FS/HD & tat patrons are not allow to "Play" in the KTV rm?
2) U can't openly talk on e road abt adventures & happening
3) U try talk dirty or try 追 a gal in Hair saloon...massage ctr..and e gal scare & not open to U because worrying get Caught
4) Massage ctr are strictly biz..and 技师 ar not allow go out with clients during work hrs, even if u wan buy Hours for her
5) Less New Gals around CP, as they scare been seen by family working in DongGuang (Once be openly announce by China Government as, too many 黄业)
Will any guys still interested to go CP? Where the price increase further!
Well... I see totally the opp of what u wishing for...
If things really force to go underground, undercover... I only see pricing going up up up...
Less mm will be willing to take risk... Some who can't wait for KTV to reopen, take up offers to work else where, offer to be bao by customers at a lower rate, or totally 从良... End of the game...
From what I observed these past 3-4 years, WL is no longer as hard press for money as before... In fact a lot of them I know work for the fun of it. Cause it's easy money. Earn and play.
I'm hearing less and less gals telling me that they need to send money home, build houses etc...
A lot of them are also more highly educated. Knows and better info.
When less gals is working... What do u think will most likely happen... Haiz...
Yes, Less gals sending money back home, but more gals tis days spend more money on themselves...look at e gals in CP, they are carrying iPhone5S, Samsung S4, Note 3, iPad Mini....you will understand Y they isn't sending money back home
Yes, more ar highly educated, but because of tat it make them smarter & more calculative, working in office 12hrs a day, having a day off in wkend is not wat they wan..more gals wan make fast money in shorter time...Most plan work 2-3yrs & be able to go back home town buy land, buy houses, afford car, and when marrying, do not need rely on parents to give 配嫁妆,but buying their ownselves
From wat I see, gals are smart, they knw how to use their 本钱 while they still hv (during young) to make as much money as they can. There will be gals giving up been MM, but there will also be more gals coming from home town,追梦
I on e other hand have +ve thought abt e Raid
1st with regards to less MM willing to risk work , & tat price may gone up
-> I don't really think so,CP MM rate have increased many time, & if u look around at tis forum, u notice many of our guys cut down the frequency of going or cut short e trip. No one can continue to pay high price & don't care. In fact I think todays CP MM rate oledy hit e limit (some cat. 5, 1.5, 2).. Tis is equilavant to almost S$500. If u can pay S$500, u hv choices! No need to go CP. the reason tat Y guys stil going, because of e language & freedom of getting sex services/open concept!
After e crack down, I don't think we will still see e same freedom /open concept! we once see in CP b4, wat left is just ordinary massage ctr, with some selectively providing 'added services'..ordinary htl KTV, w/o FS & MM be call line up in privite rms for selection. We may no longer see HD, as e KTV don't wan risk getting caught! And tis time they ar w/o backing frm e GongAnn & Authorities they use to hv...
W/O all e attraction, CP KTV is as ordinary as those in GZ/SZ & other parts of China. Customers will then hv choice shld they want to travel to CP, or jus stay & play in city.. Because of tis competition & choices...CP will need bring down e price...of KTV & MM, to attract customers to e Small Town again
Imaging, if u were to pay 5, 1.5, 2..in CP for KTV, u can also get Top models in SZ..why would u want to go all e way to CP, while day time it hv less activities than SZ. The latter also hv better transportations, facilities & place to go
In my opinion, you are thinking mainly on the demand side... But u shld also consider the supply side. Supply side also have their choices... During this crackdown, most if not all would be forced elsewhere if they want to carry on in this trade... And as u said, most places are paying the girls much more... These girls are not idiots... Why would they want to go back to a place with such bad reputation and earn less? Even if we were to argue that there are more punters in CP than most places combined, do you think the MMs would rather work twice as hard for the same amt of money?
I used to know a girl more than 2yrs ago that was 3,8,12 cat.... Becoz of yanda she went Nanking to work and she was paid 5,15,20 there.. And the 15 or 20 is not inclusive of the 500 sitting fee... Do u think she came back after that?
Cp MMs prices have been going up so much recently for the simple fact that they want to retain the girls in CP... After all this has happened, in my view it's more likely that hotel and drinks rate might stay or go down, but MMs prices would definitely remain the same if not go up... Hoping that the prices will go back to 2,5,8 is like hoping that chicken rice price will go back to $2 after the 2007 financial crisis...
I guarantee prices for mm will go up. They will want a higher premium for taking risk.
It is better to look for alternatively location than to put your sperm in one place.
I on e other hand have +ve thought abt e Raid
1st with regards to less MM willing to risk work , & tat price may gone up
-> I don't really think so,CP MM rate have increased many time, & if u look around at tis forum, u notice many of our guys cut down the frequency of going or cut short e trip. No one can continue to pay high price & don't care. In fact I think todays CP MM rate oledy hit e limit (some cat. 5, 1.5, 2).. Tis is equilavant to almost S$500. If u can pay S$500, u hv choices! No need to go CP. the reason tat Y guys stil going, because of e language & freedom of getting sex services/open concept!
After e crack down, I don't think we will still see e same freedom /open concept! we once see in CP b4, wat left is just ordinary massage ctr, with some selectively providing 'added services'..ordinary htl KTV, w/o FS & MM be call line up in privite rms for selection. We may no longer see HD, as e KTV don't wan risk getting caught! And tis time they ar w/o backing frm e GongAnn & Authorities they use to hv...
W/O all e attraction, CP KTV is as ordinary as those in GZ/SZ & other parts of China. Customers will then hv choice shld they want to travel to CP, or jus stay & play in city.. Because of tis competition & choices...CP will need bring down e price...of KTV & MM, to attract customers to e Small Town again
Imaging, if u were to pay 5, 1.5, 2..in CP for KTV, u can also get Top models in SZ..why would u want to go all e way to CP, while day time it hv less activities than SZ. The latter also hv better transportations, facilities & place to go
U are comparing prices of the high beam in CP... Cat 500 is almost consider premium in CP, while a cat 500 in SZ or SH is the lowest cat... This is not Apple to Apple...
In CP, the largest amount of gals is still cat 300 and 400. Not really at 500... oN rates is 1200-1500 compare to 2000-5000 for other places. And mind that sitting fee is not included in ON fee.
Have u ever wonder why CP gals pricing keeps going up?
If u ask me, it's mainly to retain the gals. Why they need to do that?
Cause other places are offering higher prices. Simple as that.
If u ever step out of DG, u will reliease that CP pricing is Infact one of the lowest thru out china. Even compare to neighboring towns(Ca, HJ, TX etc), on avg, u will get more choice and better selection gals for the same price.
Well, anyway these are just my own views. Only time will tell the truth.
Now want to enjoy, also no longer able to... Haiz...