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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by _AXL_
but the ultimate insult was not to sign a contract extension, forcing rafa to sell him on the cheap.. i would say. and it is a big insult to any liverpool player to be compared to michael owen.
a bit harsh, but i have to agreed...
jose mourinho???. mourinho is never proven if he has to manage a smaller budget.
he always has unlimted budget, either with cheski or inter... furthermore, after tat kelong scandal which hit juve and milan, there isn't much difficulty in winning serieA...
people may argue tat he did well with porto.. porto is always the top team in portugal league, they were having most of the best players in portugal too..
he won the champion lge with porto? didn't rafa won it with us too?!!
i'm not say he is not a good manager, but he isn;t proven to excel with limited budget...
i believe in rafa, bcos of what he has done to liverpool. the first european cup was a bit of a fluke, granted, but he has done wonders to the team in general. with liverpool destroyed by souness and the liverpool team who looked to bore opponents to death under houllier, rafa has transformed the team to serious challengers, on a shoestring budget (if any) for the past 2 seasons, all the while playing quite a bit of spectacular football.
just recall tat was there any "world class player" was playing for us under souness or houllier? "diouf" or "cheyrou" or "collymore"? we were only able to attract at most "the best british players"... but with rafa, we see torres, macherano, reina, alonso.....
people may argue tat rafa has spent 200mil pound (according to most media)... but he had to rebuild the whole team he inhertited from houllier... and the real big spending (more than 15 mil) are only torres, macherano, johnson and aquilani...
last season our total sale should be around 40 mil (alonso + aberloa etc), but we spent on johnson (we pay little becos portsmouth still owed us crouch $$) n aquilani (we paid little downpayment, rest in istalment)... so question is where did those $$ from teh sale gone to....??
while man utd, chelsea & lastest man city, they can afford to have 20-30 mil back-up strikers (roque santa cruz, berbatov, anelka) sitting on the bench...!!!
rafa benitez is the best person to bring liverpool forward.
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
Hi Samsters,
I really wonder why there are so many negative remarks about RB?
if i remembered correctly, under GH, we are just another Premier League team, no real threat to other teams. U dont see teams packing 11 men behind the line to defend. Of course, that is also because GH liked to play counter attack like some bro pointed out. Look at Liverpool now under RB, fucking hell, we are a top team challenging CL every year!!! see how much other teams fear to be drawn against Liverpool, especially in Europe. Even in Premier League itself, many teams are adopting "let's aim a draw against Liverpool than to try win the game" attitude.
True, this season had been a disappointment to many of us, with the selling of Alonso, playing of Lucas, buying of Aquilani. But if RB's plan were to work out last year, we would have gotten Barry to cover Alonso and not forced to sell him without proper replacement like earlier this season. Anyhow, why no one is talking on how he managed to get Maxi Rodriguez at such cheap deal?? True, he hasnt shone yet, but so far Maxi has been quite a steal, i'd say. We have been missing someone like him, willing to dribble pass opponents and deliver good passes.
Anyway, people complained when RB withdraw Torres against Birmingham, but those who watched can see how the match turned after the substitution, we had lots more chances than before that. And we trashed Benfica (a strong European Team) after that! Fulham match was going to be challenging because they put 11 men behind.. it is always going to be difficult to fight teams defending like that.. Remember, that was Liverpool tactics under GH, ultra defensive, trying to catch on the break, and hence the good defensive record Liverpool have then.
Lastly, no one remember the 4th placing in the League, but everyone will remember that you won the Europa League (if we do)! so dont blame him for focusing on Europa League when he probably think its going to be difficult to secure the 4th position.. not that he totally give up on 4th also.. remember Liverpool won the CL in 2005, but was 5th on the League?? no one really remembered we were 5th, but everyone knows we won the CL!
Really hope RB will stay managing Liverpool long enough to create his legacy.. sometimes, i think todays' fans expect instant result, no less to courtesy of Chelsea.. but look at how long Ferguson needed to bolster Man Utd to become a strong team? 7 years? and he almost got fired, too in his early days, but somehow he was helped by the breakdown of Liverpool team in the 1990 with the sudden resignation of our Kenny Dalgish, and the rest is like they say, history.. and if u compared that to RB who is fighting against teams going stronger each year and still managed to bring a also-ran team to become a serious title challenger, that is an achievement!!
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by shyboy252001
Hi Samsters,
I really wonder why there are so many negative remarks about RB?
The answer is below..
playing of Lucas,
Lastly, no one remember the 4th placing in the League, but everyone will remember that you won the Europa League (if we do)! so dont blame him for focusing on Europa League when he probably think its going to be difficult to secure the 4th position.. not that he totally give up on 4th also.. remember Liverpool won the CL in 2005, but was 5th on the League?? no one really remembered we were 5th, but everyone knows we won the CL!
The he should just keep his mouth shut and not brabbling about getting the 4th place...which in everyone 's mind that ain't possible this season!
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by bochapsing
bro, finally we see a more objective post...!!
very well said indeed...
YNWA~
thanks for your compliments. i just cannot stand seeing people just believe what those crappy journalists with hidden agendas write about liverpool. mourinho somemore!!! dont people know how to read between lines about articles written by pro-manure scums??? even at porto, his squad was very expensive!!! deco, carvallo, paolo ferreira, ricardo (i think), a young talented brazillian, etc... it was virtually the portuguese team at that time. got that kind of money to squander, who wouldnt be able to build a winning team??? well, besides real madrid... and chelsea and inter already had a strong team before he took over.
from the beginning, in this thread no less, i have already said it was a mistake to sell to the american owners. damn!!! i hate that i m right about this. but with barclays, yes!!! they are ruthless in business world, but they are smart enough to know that they should not sell the stars but instead buy a few more to ensure success... so that they can sell up to the next owner. i just hope that the next owner would not be american. they are the worst!!!
there were some players who were worldclass during souness and houllier's time... david james was virtually unbeatable on days when he wasnt on his nintendo, jamie redknapp was sublime, GOD is my favourite No.9 of all time but houllier sold him!!! if u can see, most of them came from the academy. it is time to strengthen the academy again. i heard from my evertonian friend that jack rodwell was actually a liverpool fan in his childhood!!! what the hell is he doing in everton colours??? he is actually the one with the most potential to take over gerrard!!!
for lucas, bros here, give him a break. rafa used him to lower liverpool's valuation so that serious buyers can come in without breaking the bank. the 2 american idiots were asking for 500 mil for 40% share initially. the bloody cheek!!! they were angling for a fast one all along. as for lucas, he was never ready. for an athlete to build his bulk (since last season), he was never gonna gain speed at the same time. he is still not ready to be playing week in, week out. he still needs 1 or 2 seasons to get used to his new body, build on his speed and his vision. right now, he is just a liability and he knows it. he is only interested in not making mistakes by doing a lot of backpasses and jump for the sake of jumping.
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Originally Posted by shyboy252001
Hi Samsters,
I really wonder why there are so many negative remarks about RB?
if i remembered correctly, under GH, we are just another Premier League team, no real threat to other teams. U dont see teams packing 11 men behind the line to defend. Of course, that is also because GH liked to play counter attack like some bro pointed out. Look at Liverpool now under RB, fucking hell, we are a top team challenging CL every year!!! see how much other teams fear to be drawn against Liverpool, especially in Europe. Even in Premier League itself, many teams are adopting "let's aim a draw against Liverpool than to try win the game" attitude.
precisely... a lot of people here read the traditional news and believe everything wholesale.
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True, he hasnt shone yet, but so far Maxi has been quite a steal, i'd say. We have been missing someone like him, willing to dribble pass opponents and deliver good passes.
maxi has been unlucky recently :- hit the post on a couple of occasions, blocked shot by own teammate, ball meant for him to score a certain goal robbed by own teammate, etc. but maxi is a breath of fresh air and can clearly see that he is potent in attack. but some people would say that he is not scoring, so not value for money even though he cost liverpool 1.5 mil. he must score his world cup screamers week in, week out.
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Anyway, people complained when RB withdraw Torres against Birmingham, but those who watched can see how the match turned after the substitution, we had lots more chances than before that. And we trashed Benfica (a strong European Team) after that! Fulham match was going to be challenging because they put 11 men behind.. it is always going to be difficult to fight teams defending like that..
if there is anything i can complain about rafa, it is his habit of playing one game with one eye on the following game. when watching the birmingham game, i was actually hoping for birmingham to score the winner and teach rafa a lesson. no premier league game is a gimme nowadays. (liverpool is not manure, whereby they have slut teams like stoke, sunderland, wolves, hull that would roll over and play dead for manure but fight tooth and nail against others.) although birmingham was visibly tiring by then, the game wasnt over. oh, and 1 more thing, liverpool likes to sit back and defend after scoring when they should just continue attacking.
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PROUD TO BE REDS!!!
well, some are only proud when the reds are winning. YNWA.
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by _AXL_
maxi has been unlucky recently :- hit the post on a couple of occasions, blocked shot by own teammate, ball meant for him to score a certain goal robbed by own teammate, etc. but maxi is a breath of fresh air and can clearly see that he is potent in attack. but some people would say that he is not scoring, so not value for money even though he cost liverpool 1.5 mil. he must score his world cup screamers week in, week out.
(liverpool is not manure, whereby they have slut teams like stoke, sunderland, wolves, hull that would roll over and play dead for manure but fight tooth and nail against others.) although birmingham was visibly tiring by then, the game wasnt over. oh, and 1 more thing, liverpool likes to sit back and defend after scoring when they should just continue attacking..
maxi is a quality player, thou he's neither lightning fast nor as flashy...
most recently in the match vs fulham, he made a great diagonal run behind fulham defense to recieve a pass from (aquailani??), took the ball down with a nice 1st touch, only for the gk to make a brave save...
u've reminded me of tat stupid wolves manager, micky macarthy who field a reserve side against man utd earlier in the season, becos they r playing a fellow struggler few days later... tat's a DISGRACE!!! how can their own fans support such a manager...!!
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
more bad news, more worries....
After missing Sunday's clash with Fulham with a knee injury, Liverpool Football Club have today released the following statement.
"Fernando Torres was examined by a knee specialist this afternoon in Spain. He received treatment and will continue to do so over the next few days, with the injury being reassessed later this week."
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
Hi again,
would like to comment a bit on Lucas.. there are reasons i think why lucas were played often.. and i think that reason is mainly because Liverpool doesnt have a better Central Mid to play! especially early in this season.. and not like bro AXL's theory of lowering the club's valuation..
Let's turn the clock back and look at earlier part of the seasons.. Early this season, after Alonso left us, we were looking for CM to replace and that certain Barry went back against his words on wanting to play for Champ League club.. RB went for Aquilani, not sure right or wrong move, time will tell.. that left us in CM position Gerrard (injured most of the time), Alonso (left), Mascherano (exhausted and mentally not stable due to Barcelona courtship..), Aquilani (injured), Lucas (average Joe), Plessis (errr...), and this small short guy from Academy.. so... lets see.. if we play 4-4-2.. who u pick to partner Mascherano?? i'd say Lucas was more like a no-choice option for RB.. and now nearer to the end of Season, u saw Lucas benched more often..
anyway, if u are a Liverpool fan, please dont keep on flaming that poor Lucas, he is a young chap who came from across the continent to learn the trade, but somehow due to circumstances, he got to shoulder such a big responsibility in playing for a top club's CM role.. come on lar.. imagine urself in his shoe, man.. i think i'll break under pressure and disappear in the background if i were him.. but he had the mental toughness to stand up and did his best throughout the season and helped the team.. not a wonderful job, but he had done his part.. please show him some support, ok? same goes for poor N'gog..
if there were people to blame, i'd pick that farkers from America who renegade on their words and load the club with soooo much debts!!! what the fark! and then forced RB to buy Robbie Keane when he clearly wanted to buy Gareth Barry.. CCB!!! praying hard that they will leave and the club is on good hand soon
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by _AXL_
if there is anything i can complain about rafa, it is his habit of playing one game with one eye on the following game. oh, and 1 more thing, liverpool likes to sit back and defend after scoring when they should just continue attacking.
Bro _AXL_,
just for discussion.. i think it is not only Rafa's who have this "habit" of playing one game with one eye on the following game.. Virtually all the managers are like that.. its just whether they want to risk the next matches for today's match.. I am sure that certain Alex Ferguson must b cursing himself for stretching Rooney.. play him all year long to get injured and miss the crucial match of the season..
on slowing down after "securing" a win.. i'd say i dislike it too.. but Liverpool when they can afford it will go all the way to keep try scoring, i cant remember the specific match but they didnt stop attacking until end of match.. so i think unless the next match is quite near or important match coming, they will rest for the next match..
the league is a one year marathon, even if u win beautifully this match.. but u lose next 3 matches.. how to account to the fans?
again, i am not RB, i dont know what he thinks, but winning Europa League will add to his CV while finishing 4th in Premier League is not.. people looks at winners! win a medal.. win tournament.. anyway, Liverpool have been without medals for 2 seasons already.. its time for us to win something!
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by shyboy252001
would like to comment a bit on Lucas.. ...
A footballer have a short lifespan (at the top of his game), if you cannot perform at this club, you have to move on, especially at a great club like Liverpool.
How many chances you need to be given ? Ppl pay hundreds & thousands to see a football match & you make yourself like a clown. (I never like to see Arsenal play because i never believe in watching the whole sqaud full of kids play football even they called it "beautiful")
O, i still going to rant at rb because i think he is shit .
HIs fluke is over, & i believe that RM & other top clubs is not going to hire him because he has make a mess of himself now.
P/s : All the opinions are from myself ...im not going to be like someone who say on behalf of thousands & millions of fans around the globe & think they are right. ...MO + RF is still one of the best strikers in the 90s & 2000s for Liverpool todate
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by _AXL_
wow... long time never log in here and then see such negative posts. haizz... how fair weather fans can be...
people who are still hung up on owen and trying to compare him with fernando torres... fernando torres???!!! that is a no-brainer!!! let's put this clear, fernando torres is not the finished article yet. he still can be a better player. yes, he has a sunday kickabout style but it is effective bcos of his superior physique and ability to get past defenders with his sudden acceleration. owen??? he is too one-dimensional to the point that there will be no point to play wingers if he is in the team. gerrard houllier had to stick heskey up to win headers for owen and thus depriving the midfield of 1 more slot. the liverpool of houllier days had to resort to playing on the break, just to make sure they make use of owen's pace.
but the ultimate insult was not to sign a contract extension, forcing rafa to sell him on the cheap. did anyone here know owen was the only player in recent history for real madrid to ever make a profit on his transfer to newcastle??? that was how cheap he was. and to join manure on the pretence that he would get to play more football??? did he get that??? nope. if he really wanted more football, he should have gone to hull. i can guarantee he will get into the 1st team without trying, well, whenever he is fit. judas. i would say. and it is a big insult to any liverpool player to be compared to michael owen.
and calling rafa a fat spanish waiter??? is that guy a real liverpool fan or is he just a manure faggot in disguise??? i didnt understand what rafa was doing until the latter stages of this season. his insistence to play lucas, well until the rumours of barclays coming in with a bid only did i see the light. no champs league, doesnt matter. liverpool wont need the champs league money. cos barclays has a reputation of buying at depressed prices and selling high, so i would expect liverpool's value to soar very, very soon.
jose mourinho??? he has already said he wont come unless the present owners are out and substantial funds are available before he comes to liverpool. damn, if that was the case, paul ince would have done the job as well. mourinho is never proven if he has to manage a smaller budget.
i believe in rafa, bcos of what he has done to liverpool. the first european cup was a bit of a fluke, granted, but he has done wonders to the team in general. with liverpool destroyed by souness and the liverpool team who looked to bore opponents to death under houllier, rafa has transformed the team to serious challengers, on a shoestring budget (if any) for the past 2 seasons, all the while playing quite a bit of spectacular football.
if u want to look any further, just look at the manure supporters. if they are happy that rafa is going, he must be doing something very right to irk them, very much i would add. if he is an imbecile like some people here have suggested, these manure fans would have kept their mouths shut, right??? no, the manure fans come in droves to try to force his departure, not mentioning those disreputable journalists with hidden agendas. with barclays coming in, rafa benitez is the best person to bring liverpool forward.
if i have ruffled your feathers, i would post something in a zap-enabled section for your convenience right after this, ya?
YNWA.
wonderful post bro axl,like rafa said this so called fans DON T HAVE A CLUE.U R RITE ABT THAT MANURE FAGGOT ,THAT SPANISH WAITER SOUNDS VERI FAMILIAR.
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by shyboy252001
hi samsters,
i really wonder why there are so many negative remarks about rb?
If i remembered correctly, under gh, we are just another premier league team, no real threat to other teams. U dont see teams packing 11 men behind the line to defend. Of course, that is also because gh liked to play counter attack like some bro pointed out. Look at liverpool now under rb, fucking hell, we are a top team challenging cl every year!!! See how much other teams fear to be drawn against liverpool, especially in europe. Even in premier league itself, many teams are adopting "let's aim a draw against liverpool than to try win the game" attitude.
True, this season had been a disappointment to many of us, with the selling of alonso, playing of lucas, buying of aquilani. But if rb's plan were to work out last year, we would have gotten barry to cover alonso and not forced to sell him without proper replacement like earlier this season. Anyhow, why no one is talking on how he managed to get maxi rodriguez at such cheap deal?? True, he hasnt shone yet, but so far maxi has been quite a steal, i'd say. We have been missing someone like him, willing to dribble pass opponents and deliver good passes.
Anyway, people complained when rb withdraw torres against birmingham, but those who watched can see how the match turned after the substitution, we had lots more chances than before that. And we trashed benfica (a strong european team) after that! Fulham match was going to be challenging because they put 11 men behind.. It is always going to be difficult to fight teams defending like that.. Remember, that was liverpool tactics under gh, ultra defensive, trying to catch on the break, and hence the good defensive record liverpool have then.
Lastly, no one remember the 4th placing in the league, but everyone will remember that you won the europa league (if we do)! So dont blame him for focusing on europa league when he probably think its going to be difficult to secure the 4th position.. Not that he totally give up on 4th also.. Remember liverpool won the cl in 2005, but was 5th on the league?? No one really remembered we were 5th, but everyone knows we won the cl!
Really hope rb will stay managing liverpool long enough to create his legacy.. Sometimes, i think todays' fans expect instant result, no less to courtesy of chelsea.. But look at how long ferguson needed to bolster man utd to become a strong team? 7 years? And he almost got fired, too in his early days, but somehow he was helped by the breakdown of liverpool team in the 1990 with the sudden resignation of our kenny dalgish, and the rest is like they say, history.. And if u compared that to rb who is fighting against teams going stronger each year and still managed to bring a also-ran team to become a serious title challenger, that is an achievement!!
Proud to be reds!!! :d
another good post,like i said this so called fans don t have a clue.
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by SCB2011
If a player is carrying an injury, even 1 minute is too much of a risk as he could aggravate the injury into something much more serious..... just like what happened to me. My soccer playing days came to an end all because of my coach's win at all cost mentality. KNNCCB.
Because of my own experience, I have to agree and concur with RB's actions.
WELL BRO THIS FANS DON T HAVE A CLUEANOTHER GOOD POST.I MUST SAY U GUYS NOE UR FOOTBALL.
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LIVERPOOL IS MY RELIGION N ANFIELD IS MY CHURCH. BRING RAFA HOME "win lose or draw i'm LFC fan till i die"
Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Originally Posted by shyboy252001
Hi again,
would like to comment a bit on Lucas.. there are reasons i think why lucas were played often.. and i think that reason is mainly because Liverpool doesnt have a better Central Mid to play! especially early in this season.. and not like bro AXL's theory of lowering the club's valuation..
Let's turn the clock back and look at earlier part of the seasons.. Early this season, after Alonso left us, we were looking for CM to replace and that certain Barry went back against his words on wanting to play for Champ League club.. RB went for Aquilani, not sure right or wrong move, time will tell.. that left us in CM position Gerrard (injured most of the time), Alonso (left), Mascherano (exhausted and mentally not stable due to Barcelona courtship..), Aquilani (injured), Lucas (average Joe), Plessis (errr...), and this small short guy from Academy.. so... lets see.. if we play 4-4-2.. who u pick to partner Mascherano?? i'd say Lucas was more like a no-choice option for RB.. and now nearer to the end of Season, u saw Lucas benched more often..
anyway, if u are a Liverpool fan, please dont keep on flaming that poor Lucas, he is a young chap who came from across the continent to learn the trade, but somehow due to circumstances, he got to shoulder such a big responsibility in playing for a top club's CM role.. come on lar.. imagine urself in his shoe, man.. i think i'll break under pressure and disappear in the background if i were him.. but he had the mental toughness to stand up and did his best throughout the season and helped the team.. not a wonderful job, but he had done his part.. please show him some support, ok? same goes for poor N'gog..
if there were people to blame, i'd pick that farkers from America who renegade on their words and load the club with soooo much debts!!! what the fark! and then forced RB to buy Robbie Keane when he clearly wanted to buy Gareth Barry.. CCB!!! praying hard that they will leave and the club is on good hand soon
STILL PROUD TO BE REDS!!
lol lol another good post,can t blame the so call fans cos THEY DON NT HAVE A CLUE.
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LIVERPOOL IS MY RELIGION N ANFIELD IS MY CHURCH. BRING RAFA HOME "win lose or draw i'm LFC fan till i die"
13-04-2010, 01:20 PM
Yeah, proud to be a Liverpool fan (without that Lucas 
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and chelsea and inter already had a strong team before he took over.
if u can see, most of them came from the academy. it is time to strengthen the academy again. i heard from my evertonian friend that jack rodwell was actually a liverpool fan in his childhood!!! what the hell is he doing in everton colours??? he is actually the one with the most potential to take over gerrard!!!
