Bros, Dont spoil market

[yowkimfui]

Originally Posted by asdfghjk1234

No la, I give her standard rate. Haha so no point lying to me

Nice one.

[SoftSoftRice]

Thank you all bros for sharing. Happy new year happy chiong-ing

[LeoByNature]

Originally Posted by Itchybitch

Yes, Bro LeoByNature is right. Is about negotiating. Must have the mindset to walk off if the price is not right. The market now has become worse due to Covid, ML know we can't travel abroad, hence asking 2 blue note now. Those popular shops sharing around sammy are already spoilt. If all bros can walk away, we can be united and bring the price down to 1 blue note, maybe after this covid? Haha.
Anyway, just go recce around and find a ML that caters to your massage and pricing. Good luck bros.

Here are a few other things that have worked for me:

1. Earlier I would enter the place with my mind made up that I had to get a "special". So then when the GQ would be popped, my little head would immediately take over and I would agree to pay whatever the ML asked. Got chopped a few times and realized that I had to play it differently. So now I prepare my mind beforehand that I may not get that special and it will be ok. So now when the GQ pops up, my big head stays in control which is the most important part of this nego. We all know that our little head cannot nego with her big head.

2. When the session starts, I know that the GQ is coming in 30-40 mins. My task is to build up some chemistry with her before that. So I chat her up during that time. I sprinkle loads of compliments before the GQ. "You are the best", "I only want to come to you" and even "I love you" sometimes. . She also knows I am bluffing but then at least she realizes that I am treating her differently and with some dignity. This mellows her down and works like magic.

3. If I didn't get the deal I wanted the first time then I try and nego over wechat before I go the second time. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't. But then at least I have the option to go some other place if it doesn't.

4. And lastly, I mostly rotate between my same bunch of regular 4-5 MLs. This helps focus my Vitamin M on a select few and the service improves over time.

Having said all the above, we all know that this is a game of hits and misses. We are all trying to increase the hits and minimize the misses. The more we share and stay united, the better deals we will get. I am sharing whatever little that I know as I am new to this. I still got a lot to learn from you all experienced bros. Thank you bros for sharing!

[afterburn]

Originally Posted by asdfghjk1234

No la, I give her standard rate. Haha so no point lying to me

That's nice of you to stick to standard market rate. I figure for those ML that accepted discounted rate, it is probably they already have some customers that pay market rate without question. So the ML give some discount to a few, is no great loss to them and they can retain more customers to be regular. Long term thinking

Worse are those that try to pull a fast one and charge above market, still have people willing to pay

[sxem]

Originally Posted by LeoByNature

Here are a few other things that have worked for me:

1. Earlier I would enter the place with my mind made up that I had to get a "special". So then when the GQ would be popped, my little head would immediately take over and I would agree to pay whatever the ML asked. Got chopped a few times and realized that I had to play it differently. So now I prepare my mind beforehand that I may not get that special and it will be ok. So now when the GQ pops up, my big head stays in control which is the most important part of this nego. We all know that our little head cannot nego with her big head.

2. When the session starts, I know that the GQ is coming in 30-40 mins. My task is to build up some chemistry with her before that. So I chat her up during that time. I sprinkle loads of compliments before the GQ. "You are the best", "I only want to come to you" and even "I love you" sometimes. . She also knows I am bluffing but then at least she realizes that I am treating her differently and with some dignity. This mellows her down and works like magic.

3. If I didn't get the deal I wanted the first time then I try and nego over wechat before I go the second time. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't. But then at least I have the option to go some other place if it doesn't.

4. And lastly, I mostly rotate between my same bunch of regular 4-5 MLs. This helps focus my Vitamin M on a select few and the service improves over time.

Having said all the above, we all know that this is a game of hits and misses. We are all trying to increase the hits and minimize the misses. The more we share and stay united, the better deals we will get. I am sharing whatever little that I know as I am new to this. I still got a lot to learn from you all experienced bros. Thank you bros for sharing!

Agree on #2 . I think thats the most important. just talk to them and treat them like human la and not just a means to a (happy) end. Dont need to sweet talk them to heaven, its super obvious what you are trying to do.

Although we know that it is a transaction and all that talks is money, having a little empathy within reasonable limits can soften her up and you may get better service.

worked for me so far in my 10+ years of chionging. hope it helps.

[Ray06]

Maybe is not so much of spoil the market but more like if you like that ML.
My practice is to give a bit more and treat her well.
Then most of the ML would know what to do on her part.....return is beyond expectation...

[sxem]

Originally Posted by Ray06

Maybe is not so much of spoil the market but more like if you like that ML.
My practice is to give a bit more and treat her well.
Then most of the ML would know what to do on her part.....return is beyond expectation...

agree. unless you are dealing with spoilt ones with many robert. that one is unsalvage-able.

[stop]

I agree on the part on paying what they deserve and not artificially pushing down the price. Let market forces dictates.
MLs that are being forced to accept lower prices are vulnerable, you are giving these ML a bad impression through hard negotiation and coercion, and in turn make them taking a strong stand against future customers.
If you want a good service, pay for it.
Don't expect to drive Mercedes while paying for a Toyota.

[chongboonkid]

the problem is in the first place, these girls never gibe good service but demand high price & expect big tips somemore!
these girls are yoyota standard but think they mercedes standard leh!

1st chap give $100, then the girls will try their luck ask for $150 from 2nd customer go on & on.
even if u give her $200 many times but stop going after a while, try wechat her! she tell u she busy, no battery, when u coming again.

[asdfghjk1234]

Originally Posted by afterburn

That's nice of you to stick to standard market rate. I figure for those ML that accepted discounted rate, it is probably they already have some customers that pay market rate without question. So the ML give some discount to a few, is no great loss to them and they can retain more customers to be regular. Long term thinking

Worse are those that try to pull a fast one and charge above market, still have people willing to pay

Somehow hor when I visited new masseuse, none actually discuss with me on the rate before action. Usually pay standard rate unless can do more than what others allowed e.g. sit and rock me

[stop]

Originally Posted by chongboonkid

the problem is in the first place, these girls never gibe good service but demand high price & expect big tips somemore!
these girls are yoyota standard but think they mercedes standard leh!

1st chap give $100, then the girls will try their luck ask for $150 from 2nd customer go on & on.
even if u give her $200 many times but stop going after a while, try wechat her! she tell u she busy, no battery, when u coming again.

This is a forum for sharing, hence hope i do not come across as offensive.

my mode of operation so far has been to give them the benefit of doubt and pay market rate. if after 1st encounter you not able to 'click' or they not able to KC you, then move on...

hence i do not have this issue of paying beyond market rate. After establishing the rapport, i cont to visit the ML till they go back. then i start the hunt again. this case i save $$ in long run and also able to get my fix

[chongboonkid]

bro, u r steady man!
i hope to learn more from u to build rapport with the girls. i think i fail in this area as the girls always seem to fast hand fast leg, then pop expensive golden question, then black face when i try nego

[shiroi]

Lol wtf I always see a customer flooded with ger maybe 4 or 5 ger. So I thought maybe all ger he give tips $50. Nb after that then I know he give the ger each $100-$200 . It’s bistro pub not those ktv night club. Gers still butterfly .

[thatpoorguy]

Originally Posted by shiroi

Lol wtf I always see a customer flooded with ger maybe 4 or 5 ger. So I thought maybe all ger he give tips $50. Nb after that then I know he give the ger each $100-$200 . It’s bistro pub not those ktv night club. Gers still butterfly .

I got a few Robert buddies, huge ass bonus. So sad to say, there will always be ppl that spoil market. Including my own buddies. Before entering, I arrange for 58 and tell them 1000000 times, tips 50. After entering room, when asked, they upgrade 88 and tip 80. Ask them why spoil market be Robert, their reply is lazy to argue. Just pay and get it over with. 38 more at entrance and 30 more as tips cannot do much. After massage, say girl very chatty, end of session still get wechat and text thank you for coming, see you again blah blah blah. Service very good. Really wanna smack their face. But to them, the extra 68 is not much as they are spending bonus and they earn more. So only solution is when borders are open, lazy ppl like them will not travel far to get their fix and we can finally get fairer prices back

[candeo_88]

We keep advising each other not to be roberts...but it's a free market and free wallet there...

Same rice feeds millions of people...so as long as we cheong within our limits, I think that's that...and wait for the borders to reopen..