Famous Samster and his HFJ PRC Story.

[reserves]

Originally Posted by Mr_don_juan

My comments are up for public scrutiny. You can call me all sorts of names evil operator etc but as least i do not spread misconceptions and hoaxes. HFJ is never a brothel that is a fact. And i don't hide behind w/o leaving nicks, you can choose to dispute my facts like a warrior in the open

That is your sole opinion which I think many customers viewed HFJ more than a complicated brothel and that people like you laid traps to con customer's money. It is good that you said all those things about customers in this thread and that tell us to be wary of HFJ monkeys like you

[Mr_don_juan]

Originally Posted by reserves

That is your sole opinion which I think many customers viewed HFJ more than a complicated brothel and that people like you laid traps to con customer's money. It is good that you said all those things about customers in this thread and that tell us to be wary of HFJ monkeys like you

I operate my business as how the government operate the casinos, how a hotel owner operate his 5 star hotel, the same logic applies whatever happen outside the HFJ is none of my due concern, whatever happen is between you and the singer. The joint is solely meant for people to socialise, have a drink, listen to songs and make new friends. There is no hanky-panky business inside the joint, and is not a complicated brothel.

So to speak, if there are social escorts operating in Marina Bay sands, shall you look for the operator of MBS and curse him for all the problems there or surely MBS is now a complicated brothel ?

[reserves]

Originally Posted by Mr_don_juan

I operate my business as how the government operate the casinos, how a hotel owner operate his 5 star hotel, the same logic applies whatever happen outside the HFJ is none of my due concern, whatever happen is between you and the singer. The joint is solely meant for people to socialise, have a drink, listen to songs and make new friends. There is no hanky-panky business inside the joint, and is not a complicated brothel.

So to speak, if there are social escorts operating in Marina Bay sands, shall you look for the operator of MBS and curse him for all the problems there ?

From what I knew MBS did not hire all these social escorts but you hired these singers with work permit for performing artiste. At the same time, you will hint to customers which singers can go hotels with customers in an indirect way of prostitution and don't think we are so naive to believe what you said.

If anything happen to your singers, yes I would say you are still legally responsible for it. In life, there are so many form of trades and businesses only pimping monkey like you choose this HFJ business to con people money.

I suggest to you that it still pay well to make a honest living in life

[Huge Dog]

I do agree and support what bro reserves had said.

It is best not to trust people like don juan

[Mr_don_juan]

Originally Posted by reserves

From what I knew MBS did not hire all these social escorts but you hired these singers with work permit for performing artiste. At the same time, you will hint to customers which singers can go hotels with customers in an indirect way of prostitution and don't think we are so naive to believe what you said.

If anything happen to your singers, yes I would say you are still legally responsible for it. In life, there are so many form of trades and businesses only pimping monkey like you choose this HFJ business to con people money.

I suggest to you that it still pay well to make a honest living in life

Singers with work permits are legally approved by MOM. Most hotel owners will have a joint, look at hotel 81 bencoolen, city club ktv, innotel hotel with club sonata, etc. And now MBS with their opening club.

Most customers will ask the mamasan, or the singers if they can bring them to hotel. This is between you and singer. Just like you go to school and ask your teacher if she could have a night stand, or in office ask your colleague for a quickie all these a form of indirect prositution ?

I don't shit on my own backyard, there is no way i can hint the customers. In life, you can a choice, noone owes you a living and vice-versa

[cuntarow]

Originally Posted by reserves

From what I knew MBS did not hire all these social escorts but you hired these singers with work permit for performing artiste. At the same time, you will hint to customers which singers can go hotels with customers in an indirect way of prostitution and don't think we are so naive to believe what you said.

If anything happen to your singers, yes I would say you are still legally responsible for it. In life, there are so many form of trades and businesses only pimping monkey like you choose this HFJ business to con people money.

I suggest to you that it still pay well to make a honest living in life

i don really agrees with what you say, like each its own you can't says that he is not operating a legal business, look ppl got kc everywhere street walkers, legal brothel, pdmm, HC, and even hawker centre.

So you can't discrimate saying that he is providing prostitution in a indirect way.
man got con-got kc has to do with thier own mindset. The singer can tells you i need 6k per month for quota, you choose to support it this way is your own business it between you and the girl nothing to do with the boss.

ppls always say you can bring a cow to the water but you can never push it head down. they choose to lower their head and got kc and con so they only have themselves to blame.

Wild life conservation also say when the eating stop the killing will stop too. so if ppl don't hang flowers than there will not be any joints in directly there will be no girl too. but ppl still get kc get con. if a girl is out to con and kc you regardless of what the boss say you still get con, so it more to individual mindset.

Casino spite economy can ppls says that close it down pls, a lot of ppl are losing. you choose to go and gamble to win but if you lose you blame casino but about those that won quietly ? same for hfj you wanna dian hang big flower for girls behave like a big shot enjoy all the fame around your friends and the other singer.
but when she reject you, you turn round wailing saying she con and kc you.

You can choose not to hang flower or hang at your deem reasonable amount that why they create 50, 100, 200, 500 and etc amount of flower.

[Mr_don_juan]

Originally Posted by cuntarow

i don really agrees with what you say, like each its own you can't says that he is not operating a legal business, look ppl got kc everywhere street walkers, legal brothel, pdmm, HC, and even hawker centre.

So you can't discrimate saying that he is providing prostitution in a indirect way.
man got con-got kc has to do with thier own mindset. The singer can tells you i need 6k per month for quota, you choose to support it this way is your own business it between you and the girl nothing to do with the boss.

ppls always say you can bring a cow to the water but you can never push it head down. they choose to lower their head and got kc and con so they only have themselves to blame.

Wild life conservation also say when the eating stop the killing will stop too. so if ppl don't hang flowers than there will not be any joints in directly there will be no girl too. but ppl still get kc get con. if a girl is out to con and kc you regardless of what the boss say you still get con, so it more to individual mindset.

Casino spite economy can ppls says that close it down pls, a lot of ppl are losing. you choose to go and gamble to win but if you lose you blame casino but about those that won quietly ? same for hfj you wanna dian hang big flower for girls behave like a big shot enjoy all the fame around your friends and the other singer.
but when she reject you, you turn round wailing saying she con and kc you.

You can choose not to hang flower or hang at your deem reasonable amount that why they create 50, 100, 200, 500 and etc amount of flower.

Thanks bro, there was once i almost lose my business to a top singer ang pai even more chio than xie jin yan, my logic tells me no matter what i am not supposed to shit on own backyard, otherwise i will be self-destruction mode. i remember she was very beautiful, dazzling chongqing girl with an elegant aura and self-confidence. Many customers fall head over heels over her and fighting for her attention.

She told me that all these while she listen to me never go out with customers, follow my rules, sometimes she can just turn cold suddenly telling me she will go other joints as i can't get involve with her. I will get emotional and tried to keep her, till i even had to offer the mamasan position to her incurring the wrath of my da jie.

I didn't manage to escape all these, she is those type who please a man with a sense of dressing, sometimes a floating glance, alluring but never giving in. Sex is a no-no, not even offering the position will get her in bed. Think about it, without da jie's strict wake up call, i would have fallen.

[cuntarow]

Originally Posted by Mr_don_juan

Thanks bro, there was once i almost lose my business to a top singer ang pai even more chio than xie jin yan, my logic tells me no matter what i am not supposed to shit on own backyard, otherwise i will be self-destruction mode. i remember she was very beautiful, dazzling chongqing girl with an elegant aura and self-confidence. Many customers fall head over heels over her and fighting for her attention.

She told me that all these while she listen to me never go out with customers, follow my rules, sometimes she can just turn cold suddenly telling me she will go other joints as i can't get involve with her. I will get emotional and tried to keep her, till i even had to offer the mamasan position to her incurring the wrath of my da jie.
I didn't manage to escape all these, she is those type who please a man with a sense of dressing, sometimes a floating glance, alluring but never giving in. Sex is a no-no, not even offering the position will get her in bed. Think about it, without da jie's strict wake up call, i would have fallen.

Well bro gd for you if it happen this way,but you must always remember when u r all out to get a girl,you will switch off your firewall leaving your vulnerable true self for all her captivating moves to invade your mind and self, beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, Singaporean are egolistic when one plays hard to get than we die die must get. All bout face, but those really with face will endure and normally they won,t stage flower wars.

To me I feels that those who stage flower wars are the silliest of silliest becos if the stupid singer on stage can gets two customer to fight flower over her than she will definitely lose one in long run.

Don,t take our kindness as weakness don manipulate us and most importantly don,t cheat man feeling.

[Huge Dog]

The best thing is stay away from these nightclub places.

It is impossible to find true love & true friendship in such place and everything is channel towards money.

Why let the HFJ operators earn our money and say nasty words behind our back


After careful thought, it is still better to spend our money on family & loved ones.

Not HFJ monkeys

[Reoxy]

Originally Posted by hengkia

Why do I say that it is a con job?
1) When you go to HFJ, would you not agree that there is always a social pressure to HF on your regulars or those that drinks with you?.

It is your money. You have a choice regardless of the circumstances.

Originally Posted by hengkia

If it is not a con job, would there be need for such costumes, lighting, makeup, stages etc? When you bring a singer to hotel to bonk, is she not the same as any other woman? Just because they are up on stage, does not make them any more special as any other woman, its the razzle and dazzle that fools our senses to give them such exclusivity.

See above answer. All in all. It is all personal choices. Like that all the movie studios and TV stations are all mega con jobs.

Originally Posted by see see only

HFJ ...

So if you need more money just bluff him you have not met your sale target, he will sure settle for you."

Bro, my sales target also not met for this month. Can you settle for me? Not much.. only USD 500K nia.

Originally Posted by cuntarow

You can choose not to hang flower or hang at your deem reasonable amount that why they create 50, 100, 200, 500 and etc amount of flower.

Yah. I always never hang flower. No need to paiseh. I never force them to come and entertain me. When mamasan come and ask if need a singer come sit with me I always say no. If they insist, that is their choice. They choose to waste their time on me. I choose not to waste my money on them.

[hengkia]

Originally Posted by Reoxy

It is your money. You have a choice regardless of the circumstances.



See above answer. All in all. It is all personal choices. Like that all the movie studios and TV stations are all mega con jobs.

Yes it is a choice how we spend our money, my post does nothing to change that fact, except create awareness.

Same as every scam out there, it is the awareness and education that will expose it. Just because it is a legal business, does not mean it isnt a scam that operates just inside the framework of the law, etc time sharing, land banking

So at least now we know, hanging flowers will not get beautiful packaged singers that is only but a woman in bed. So unless you bonk them on stage or in a hotel with the correct lighting, it is just never going to be the same.

[see see only]

Originally Posted by Reoxy

Bro, my sales target also not met for this month. Can you settle for me? Not much.. only USD 500K nia.

Bro Reoxy,

You see bro, i'm straight .... your sale target i cant help lei


BTW bros, when that's demand that's supply ....

... And such things have been around in the entertainment (movie and song)industry for donkey years liao ...


Such playground belong to those extreme rich .... and now this hfj operator is doing the same in a much smaller scale only for those not-so-rich ppl lah ...


So to be fair, we cant close down the TCS, TVB, sony entertainment & etc, just because some players got burned badly during such game right?

[Wins88]

Reading this thread made me feel very very sad as I remember one of my close friends who fell into a KC trap and never lived to get out of it. I am sharing this with SBF bro's hopefully that it will help bro's look at HC gals, pros, KTV girls, HFJ gals, or any other PRC mei mei in their true light - they come for your money and nothing else (unless you look like Aaroin Kwok or Brad Pitt).
This is a true story-
My good friend AB was a good buddy of me and my bunch of chiongster friends. We partied hard at the different KTV's and patronized HC's, GL, FL's, and a few well know OKT's in the 90's until just a few years back. AB was a good pal to all of us and we took him on as a younger bro.
AB had a decent job in the financial sector and was doing well and he settled down with his wife and has 2 young kids. AB loved his wife n kids (even though he still cheong and visit HC n GL n FL).

In 2004, A patronized a massage parlour and met up with a massuese. I still remember to this day, he called me after the session and told me that he met the most amazing HC gal and that this gal could make him horny and happy like no other girl. As usual, most of our bro's listened to him and also went to patronize her (strangely none went to RTF!). I personally thought her service was ok and I brought my clients to patronize her.
Anyway after a couple of months, AB asked me if I wanted to join him to watch soccer at a hotel room together with this HC gal and her friends - luckily I turned it down.

A day or two after that evening, he proceeded to call us and asked us NOT to patronize the girl anymore and that she told him that she stopped providing FJ services to clients (and that Bro AB was exclusive).
Our group of friends were stunned and we all told him not to believe her. I actually brought one fo my clients to test water and of course he got his FJ fix from her. I called to warn AB but instead he went beserk and called me a liar.

What happen next was worse. A month or two after that, he begins to have problems with money and borrows heavily from each of us. Over a period of a month he borrowed money more than 3 times from us, but being bros we all relented.

One day his wife calls me (and later I find out she called the rest of the bro's too) up and tells me AB wants to divorce her or that she lets him bring this HC gal home and accept her as his 2nd wife!
All of us proceeded to conference call AB and every one of the bro's advised him to "dump the whore", and he quarelled with each of us. He never spoke to any of us after that and disappeared into thin air within 2 weeks after that.

He left his parents, his wife, his 2 young kids and absconded with this HC girl to some neighboring country. Worse of all he left his parents and his wife facing multiple Ah Longs (debts amount in excess of $250k! excluding what he owes the bro's). His parents and wife had to sell house sell car etc to repay the Ah Longs (not small timer type). It was so sad to see his aged father coming to borrow $$$ from me and friends to meet payments.

Bro's - do not ever do this to your family or loved ones. No pussy is worth it.

Anyway to finish up, Bro AB turns up in Singapore in front of his wife 2 years later broke and sick with cancer and died within a month.

I can only hope that this true story will jolt any sense into any of the SBF bro's here stuck in a KC trap to wake up. I feel very sad when I think about this and still miss my AB bro a lot. I hope that this fate does not befall any of the good bros out there which is why I wrote this.

Good luck and remember - these ladies are here for the money and only the money.

[Reoxy]

Originally Posted by hengkia

Yes it is a choice how we spend our money, my post does nothing to change that fact, except create awareness.
So at least now we know, hanging flowers will not get beautiful packaged singers that is only but a woman in bed. So unless you bonk them on stage or in a hotel with the correct lighting, it is just never going to be the same.

I agree about creating awareness.

This forum has existed for a decade for that sole purpose.

There are people who choose to be safe rather than sorry and there are those who would want to test the water themselves. Like I said, it is a choice.

It is like coming to a river full of crocodiles. To cross or not to cross is a choice. Nothing more.

[Mr_don_juan]

Originally Posted by cuntarow

Well bro gd for you if it happen this way,but you must always remember when u r all out to get a girl,you will switch off your firewall leaving your vulnerable true self for all her captivating moves to invade your mind and self, beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, Singaporean are egolistic when one plays hard to get than we die die must get. All bout face, but those really with face will endure and normally they won,t stage flower wars.

To me I feels that those who stage flower wars are the silliest of silliest becos if the stupid singer on stage can gets two customer to fight flower over her than she will definitely lose one in long run.

Don,t take our kindness as weakness don manipulate us and most importantly don,t cheat man feeling.

My father passed away and i inherited his assets at young age. The HFJ, most of the power are held by the mamasan, da jie. She will make the decisions because most of the singers are under her direct care and support. Anytime when there is flower wars, i tried to put it under control and hire bodyguards to stop customers from fighting among themselves. Pretty sad to see fights happen all the time.