Kakis Invited for KTV Outings to Find " Very Attractive Gals"

[warbird]

Originally Posted by kkcck

Hello bros

I am new to this and have some questions.

1. How come got different price for booking?

Different joints n different gals

2. What is difference of booking and butterfly?

If u book a doll she stays the entire session w/ u, whereas if she butterflies she may sit w/ u for 20-30 minutes for the session.

3. Is it to BJ FJ?

No, that would be additional.

4. If you know the girl from before and she started working KTV, how to get the KTV best rate and also give to the girl instead of giving to KTV?

If u know the doll, just take her to your home or a hotel room.

5. If only one person go and only getting one girl, what is the best arrangement to ask for?

Just go n get the contact, then LEAVE w/o spending a penny. Contact her n bonk her another time. That is the goal of my other thread, "picking up KTV gals outside KTVs."

6. Is the KTV an open area or a private room?

There is a hall way where the gals stand around, waiting for customers. There are many private rooms.

7. Need to buy liquor? Can don't buy liquor?

Sure, can order tea or mineral water. But minimum room charges apply. Read my posts re Dynasty Classic.

8. Have you been to Empire KTV (龙亨KTV) or Palace 8 Marina (八号)?
Which one is more cost effective and better for one guy going alone for session with one girl only?

I hv been to P8, but never to Empire. The most cost effective for getting ctc of dolls is to go to Dynasty from 5:30-6:30 pm. Join my hunt FOC. PM ur ctc or wechat. You could choose to sit in the hall n order tea for $18, may be shared among 3-4 bros. You also get a plate of fruit, two if you're a regular.

9. Got any other thing that is important?

None

Bro kkcck.

Tks for ur interest. Cheers!

Bro WB

[and_alloy]

Originally Posted by warbird

Bro kkcck.

Tks for ur interest. Cheers!

Bro WB

Bro WB,

Hope your new year have been good...& you very patience leh....

A_A

[besafe]

This is one of the best discussion thread. Period.

[warbird]

Originally Posted by and_alloy

Bro WB,

Hope your new year have been good...& you very patience leh....

A_A

Bro and_alloy,

It has been very good! I hope yours is equally good or better!

Cheers!

Originally Posted by besafe

This is one of the best discussion thread. Period.

Bro besafe,

You make my day!!

I hv learned a lot myself by reading, researching, sharing, discussing, debating, failing, practicing, failing...and more practicing.

I'm in the process of moving from an armchair military advisor to someone w/ hands-on, real life experiences. And I would love to fail many times everyday! 胜败是兵家常事

Much has been discussed about inner game n outer game in life. Both are important.

Inner game is about reprogramming your beliefs in the S mind. But that is not enough. You also need to keep expanding your comfort zone in real life situations...and keep doing, failing, practicing, failing, performing, failing, accomplishing n failing. If you fail many times everyday, that is great! Very soon you will rise to the top!

Cheers!

Bro WB

[warbird]

Good morning!

I like to share two quotes w/ you.

“I have the belief that I am better looking than I actually am. I
know that I am not as good looking as some men, and better
looking than others. But I know that I can walk into a room and
walk out with your girlfriend”

--Gene Simmons
Sex, Money, and Kiss

Walking out w/ someone's wife/GF/mistress/lover is a very reckless, foolhardy, desperate n unethical behaviour. He may get killed by a jealous husband/BF/lover. What if the doll is the mistress of a Mexican drug lord?

I hv modified it to reflect what a badass gentleman will say n truly believe in his S mind:

“I believe that I am THE prize to ALL females on planet earth. I don't care if there are 1,000 very famous, rich, tall, handsome and badass men right here in this room. But I'm 100% certain that I can walk into the room and walk out with the sexiest n most kawaii doll of my type who is unattached."

That should be your manifesto.

Delusional? Hallucinating? So be it.

Cheers!

Bro WB

[warbird]

I just posted the following on my other thread.

Originally Posted by Pervy Sage

How much to half bao a ktv girl.....

I know some will say no need money cos can sian... thats beside the point

I just wanna know wats the standard amount or norm

Bro Pervy Sage,

I guess by "half bao" you mean the doll continues to work.

The usual range is 2 to 10k a month in SG. For "full bao" 7-20K. Could be less or much more. Some men spend 100-300K a month for singers. A billionaire could easily spend a million USD or more a month on a mistress.

I hv never spent more than 15k a month for a full bao. I hv not seen a doll who is worth more than that. But an upward adjustment may be necessary for inflation.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by Nato17

What is your salary? Multiply it by 2 or 3 and that is the amount you will need to bao a ktv girl.

Here is something food for thought. Many KTV girls now have a higher expectation than previous batches. So basically, I would say it is unwise to spend that time of money or time. No one will say money is enough. Likewise, how much would it take to bao a ktv girl? It can be a minimum of let us say 300 to 500 a night upwards, so make your estimates from there.

Bro Nato17,

Lower quality and higher expectations = Overpriced pussies

Originally Posted by chenzong

I do not think there is a "standard", but you can estimate a guess based on China's "standard" and what the girl has to do to come here.

In Chinese circles (a lot of businessmen and officials in my circle), the girl would expect an apartment to be GIFTED to her, plus between RMB10k to RMB20k a month for "spending money".

Are there girls who ask for much, much less? Yes there are, but they wise up very quickly and switch sugar daddies quickly too, and if they do not you have probably met your standard 湘女 (Hunan girl), known to be very emotional and clingy. Are there girls who ask for much, much more? Yes, there are, but the men willing to give them that are also much fewer in number and the possibility of meeting them lower.

For Singapore? They probably cannot expect an apartment to be gifted them, but you will definitely have to at least rent for them a nice apartment. Based on what they spent to come here, and the fact that they need to make the best of their time here, I suspect anything less than SGD5k a month is not going to make the mark. I think Bro WarBird would have a better idea here of the "standard".

Are there girls who ask for much, much less? Yes there are, but they are going to wise up very quickly and switch sugar daddies quickly, and if they do not, be prepared for the clingy and emotional 湘女 (Hunan girls). Are there girls who ask for much, much more? Yes, there are, but how many such men are there going to be in Singapore?

Asking for a "standard" is a strange concept. Like real property, the "market price" is but a mental concept to give us a bearing. Until a real transaction take place to the satisfaction of buyer (who may be so besotted that logic goes out the window, paying the highest he can afford) and the seller (who may not be desperate to sell and so accept a really low bid).

Just start playing the game and soon you will discover what your "standard" price is, for a "property" of your range.

Bro chenzong,

The current rates are much higher in China, especially in big cities. SHA is the most expensive place to BY a doll.

20k rmb a month used to be a king's ransom 7-8 years ago. I remember a very pretty SYT was asking me to BY her in SZ, China for that amount, in 2009. She also wanted me to pay a condo rental.

Cheers!

Bro WB

Originally Posted by Nato17

Still got 10k-20k RMB price range? My last two I was paying closer to about 30-40k RMB per month. 10k-20k RMB was like donkey years ago, like 2000 to 2005. Since than the market seems to have shifted upwards. But with the current global climate, I think the prices will go south slightly.

Bro Nato17,

You're right!

Originally Posted by chenzong

Guess I am very out of touch! The last time one of my friends told me this was indeed back in 2006.

What to do? We need to make more money.

Originally Posted by Nato17

Delusional? Hallucinating? Neither. Just that you have very big ambitions when it comes to hooking up with women, which makes you a splendid mentor.

Bro Nato17,

Tks so much for ur post. We need to be very ambitious and self-assured, and we must search for and own the prettiest n most kawaii dolls of our type.

But I'm just a learner, a mentee. I do work very diligently to change my inner meta-frame n expand my comfort zones. I leave no stone unturned.

As I hv mentioned many times in the past. Money will get you pussies, but it is largely useless in owning their hearts.

Cheers

Bro WB

[warbird]

Good morning!

Most men have a scarcity mindset when it comes to their interactions n RS w/ girls/women.

What is a scarcity mindset? When a man believes that the doll he is w/ is the only pussy he is ever going to get and if he loses her, he will never find another one as good as she. He will be acting needy, insecure n even desperate. He will become repulsive to her n will eventually lose her. Very sad.

Switch from a scarcity mindset to an abundance mindset.

What is an abundance mindset? When a man behaves as if there are an unlimited number of dolls of this type waiting for him. If he gets rejected by one, he laughs it off. When his GF/lover behaves badly, he just walks away, period.

"Behave as if you have 100 women calling you everyday." - David D.

Not good enough for me.

"Behave as if you have 100 beautiful women of your type calling you n wanting to fuck you everyday." - Bro Warbird

Cheers!

Bro WB

[Romeo000]

Thanks Bro Warbird for the nice sharing, i think all of the stuff that bro wardbird shared do really make sense. But when we do it in the real situation, it is just so difficult to do it. I had actually read all the sharing from bro warbird and have really make an effort to try all the technique, but sometime is just difficult to execute (arghh..!). i'm not sure, but maybe need more practice. However i think character of the person do play a part too. If your character is suitable for all these technique, you will surely score.

Honestly i do really enjoy what Bro wardbird have shared. please continue to share more. let us explore the arts of "seduction" together .

[warbird]

Originally Posted by Romeo000

Thanks Bro Warbird for the nice sharing, i think all of the stuff that bro wardbird shared do really make sense. But when we do it in the real situation, it is just so difficult to do it. I had actually read all the sharing from bro warbird and have really make an effort to try all the technique, but sometime is just difficult to execute (arghh..!). i'm not sure, but maybe need more practice. However i think character of the person do play a part too. If your character is suitable for all these technique, you will surely score.

Honestly i do really enjoy what Bro wardbird have shared. please continue to share more. let us explore the arts of "seduction" together .

Thank you, bro.

Cheers!
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Bro WB

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Good afternoon!

I had a new post on my other thread in which I replied to a bro's critcisms on my outrageous quote.

Originally Posted by AAdam

Not good enough for me.

"Behave as if you have 100 beautiful women of your type calling you n wanting to fuck you everyday." - Bro Warbird

Cheers!


This is the most outrageous and arrogant comment that I ever come across. Why and how on earth will a self confident, financially independent and secure woman fall for such behavior? You seriously think that you are GOD"a gift to ladies??

Or maybe your target market are those KTV ladies whose main objective is to love your money. They won't bother how you behave as long as you show them the money. They can and will call you their Prince Charming even though one might look like a ugly toad.

Hope that you are not inculcating such thoughts into your son ya. I mean no harm and no offence taken.

Bro AAdam,

Thank u very much for ur post n criticisms.

The original quote is from David D. Please watch the video here: http://doubleyourdating.com/double-y...63ea460156eed0

That was how I used to behave when I was 21, whenever I was very lucky enough to get the contact of a pretty girl. I wish I knew about all that I hv posted here back then. I was reluctant to post the link because I didn't want my action to be misconstrued as promoting a biz.

I'm talking about an abundance mindset n belief in the S mind. It's very, very rare to find such a man because most men hv an incurable scarcity mindset. These men are very insecure, needy, always seeking validation n approval n they put their dream gals on a pedestal. And they watch in horror when their gals ditch them or cheat on them.

Read my quote carefully. I never mentioned "I." The outrageous n arrogant statement is meant for all bros here n for YOU because I love to share what I sincerely believe will work like magic. Yeah, like gong tao.

This mindset works w/ all dolls. Did I mention money n WLs?

When I tried to BY my first doll in late 2008, I was flatly rejected. Two of them hung up on me. Months later they both agreed. One of them was HW. What had changed? My behaviour.

IMHO, the most important determinant of what makes a man attractive to women is his perceived high status. I further believe that this perceived status is determined by his masculine n dominant behaviour. And the MOST important aspect of this behaviour is that he remains very relaxed n calm when facing tough challenges, including life n death situations. In other words, he has awesome emotional n self mastery.

OK, let me modify my quote to apply to non-WLs.

"Behave as if you have 100 beautiful and high quality women of your type, who are non-WLs, calling you and wanting to fuck you everyday. And they are all emotionally and sexually addicted to you."

If you, bro AAdam, truly hv such a mentality, deep in your S mind, you will hv more gals than you can handle.

There is a caveat. You will become so choosy n your standards will become so high that you will hv a hard time finding gals who are ur type. And u may never commit.

Like they say, when you gain something, you also lose something else.

Ralph Waldo Emerson said it much more eloquently: "For everything you have missed, you have gained something else, and for everything you gain, you lose something else."

Cheers!

Bro WB

[warbird]

Good morning!

I just posted the following on my other thread:

Originally Posted by AAdam

Hi TS,
I don't mean to rub salt on your wound for what happened in 2008. Based on your wisdom and experience, what do you think is the deciding factor in the BaoYang zone that you had been in for so long? The target market is BY scene. Is it emotionally attachment, sexual addiction or monetary compensation? Which is the tipping contributor? Maybe your change in behavior might help you, but did it occur to you that your dolls might not get any better options in the market and thus crawling back to you? Yup, if you have self mastery of yourself in 2008, you would not have even take her back into your stable.

Bro AAdam,

I first proposed BY in Sep 2008, but didn't get to consummate any until May 2009. I hv since kept dozens of gals, mostly short term n only 5-6 long term.

Initially money is the deciding factor n a dominant behaviour n abundance mentality of secondary importance in the BY equation. But with time, a man's behaviour n mentality become more n more significant. Emotional attachment n sexual addiction can only help.

My gals hv options. I only go after the prettiest gals of my type whom I hv seen in SG. I'll literally RUN after a very pretty doll if I spot one who is at a distance from me. I'm often disappointed when I get close to her. I think very few ah peks hv done that. My dolls are not as good n as perfect as I would like them to be. But I can't BY dolls I hv never seen. I hv also tried to import directly from China n HK. A tedious process.

I admit that, as of today, I still don't hv absolute emotional mastery. It's something very difficult to achieve.

Cheers!

Bro WB

Originally Posted by owen10

Any of u guys frequent the KTVs in peace ctr?
Went to the food court for dinner with some friends last week, it's quite happening. Like seeing a 'parade of gals every few mins. And some of them are pretty good grades too.

Bro,

It's a good place to see a large number of gals under one roof.

Originally Posted by iluvdamilfs

Half bao / full bao doesn't matter because in the end the sum is almost identical. Expect to spend 5-8k SIN$ monthly.

I had a pretty Mongolian girl, model material for half a year but in the end it got boring and she didn't really perform that well anymore. Gave her a generous severance payment because she is a Uni post grad but had to be firm saying the arrangement wasn't for me anymore.

Truth told: Wouldn't do it again and just look for gf, if hungry have something on the side lah

Bro,

A full BY is always more expensive, when a gal doesn't work at all.

BY is fun. Getting KC-ed is part n parcel of living a full life. In a LT BY, a doll's character is as important as her looks, figure, pussy n orgasms.

Cheers!

Bro WB

[warbird]

Good morning!

Sometimes getting more pussies of your type is as simple as asking more often. Yes, life is really that good.

Here is a brief email by a guru, Mr. Ryan.

#1 Skill Every Man Must Master (take 1 min. per day)‏

Hey,


I’m a relentless asker.


I ask for things all the time.


Calmly and politely, but I still ask.


You have to be able to ask for the things you want.


Ask for the promotion.


Ask for a girl to go out with you.


Ask for someone to stop wasting your time.


It wasn’t always easy for me to ask for the things I wanted.


The fear of hearing “NO” crippled me.


I still have that fear and more often than not, I’m tempted

to not ask. I still feel that pain in my stomach and the nausea

that occurs just before asking... but I do it anyway.


I knew a guy who wasn’t particularly good looking. But he

was always asking women their name, what they were doing

tonight, their phone number, if they’d go out with him, and more…

He’d never stop asking.


This guy was getting a lot of dates and sex.


All this, because he was able to get over the initial reluctance

of asking. Very few people achieve this.


The best way to ask is to use a simple statement like:


“I want…”


“Can you… Please?”


Don’t overly use a softener, like, “I was wondering”, “Maybe”, etc.


Just calmly and politely ask for want you want. Accept that

some people will say “no”.


Do it once a day until it becomes a habit.


Have an amazing day!

Ryan

[warbird]

I just posted the following on my other thread:

Originally Posted by bonkpedia

Please forgive me if my questions are too direct. As I am nowhere have the financial means to BY any girl, so I won't know anything about it. I hope all the big bro here can enlighten me.

As this thread A friendly warning to a fellow singaporean appeared, I am wondering what would the SD do? Thank you!

Hi bro,

What do u like to know about BY?

It's like a marriage w/o the financial consequences. Unfortunately, there may be emotional consequences. Just my 2 cents.

Tks for the link.

I like to give a very stern warning to all bros who are thinking of getting married. Ponder carefully n look clearly before leaping. Don't get emotional, otherwise you will regret it. You can write it down.

Cheers!

Bro WB

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Good afternoon,

I'll be going overseas for about 3-4 weeks.

Cheers!

Bro WB

[manbaleno]

Just had my first experience stepping into one of the PRC KTVs at Peace Mansion.

Really don't know what to expect as I usually cheong Malay KTVs and only had an experience in Viet KTV.

Reached at around 9pm, just anyhow go over the counter and asked if they have a public hall for me to sit. Staff was friendly enough to guide me inside and I took a seat and ordered a glass of beer.

During that time, no performances. The hall looks like a hanging flower concept, which I have only been to once at another really small joint. Was told that I needed to wait for 30min for performances.

Also enquired about the rooms. There are easily over 10 rooms available and all are very decently decorated. If I buy a beer and want to book a room, it would cost me around $150. If I buy tower or bottle, think the room would be much cheaper or FOC.

Some girls were sitting around the hall's sofa, just chilling and a handful of early bros there, boosting on how popular they are at the KTV. Quality of girls seemed quite low.

I did not get a room, just finished my beer and fruits platter and left.

Which brings me to a few questions.

1. If I were in a room alone with just 1 glass of beer, what do the ladies who come into my room do? They don't drink? haha

2. I know there is a butterfly system. Each girl that comes to my room, say for example, I give them $20 tip for staying for 15min. If every hour 4 different girls come by and I stayed for 3 hours, I would be tipping $20 x 4 x 3 = $270? Does not sound like a good deal. I also know there is this thing as booking for like $200. the girl stays with you throughout the night. Correct? What if the evening is so crowded, would the mamasan need the girl to butterfly as well despite being booked?

3. I have always heard about the "playability" ratings but not what constitutes to "playability". Pardon my straightforwardness and language, so if the girls come in, and I can do stuff like digging pussies, groping and sucking boobs, grinding, this is considered high playability? So if playability is low, mostly like they only allow hugging and pecks on cheeks?

4. Services. So, HJ and BJ not allowed in rooms? Even if they are allowed, a separate price has to be negotiated right? I doubt the SG KTVs are so daring that FJ is allowed in the room. Unless you are talking about Malay KTVs, which RnB time allows you to bonk the girl at a right price.

5. Since there are like 6 levels of KTVs, how is it possible to search for your ideal girl? Go to every single floor to try?

Overall, my feeling is that going to PRC KTVs are perhaps the most expensive mode of cheonging. From what I read so far, no guarantees of a FJ for each trip, which may cost you hundreds of dollars. Some bros still have to bring girls out for supper to see if there is a chance of something happening in the end.

Sorry if this is off topic. I just want to know more about cheonging PRC KTVs.

And good job to bro warbird for religiously sharing his tips and experiences.

[maomaoz]

what is the difference between happy hour and nightclub hour in a KTV?

if i want to watch singing performances is it considered during nightclub hour??

[warbird]

Originally Posted by manbaleno

Just had my first experience stepping into one of the PRC KTVs at Peace Mansion.

Really don't know what to expect as I usually cheong Malay KTVs and only had an experience in Viet KTV.

Reached at around 9pm, just anyhow go over the counter and asked if they have a public hall for me to sit. Staff was friendly enough to guide me inside and I took a seat and ordered a glass of beer.

During that time, no performances. The hall looks like a hanging flower concept, which I have only been to once at another really small joint. Was told that I needed to wait for 30min for performances.

Also enquired about the rooms. There are easily over 10 rooms available and all are very decently decorated. If I buy a beer and want to book a room, it would cost me around $150. If I buy tower or bottle, think the room would be much cheaper or FOC.

Some girls were sitting around the hall's sofa, just chilling and a handful of early bros there, boosting on how popular they are at the KTV. Quality of girls seemed quite low.

I did not get a room, just finished my beer and fruits platter and left.

Which brings me to a few questions.

1. If I were in a room alone with just 1 glass of beer, what do the ladies who come into my room do? They don't drink? haha

2. I know there is a butterfly system. Each girl that comes to my room, say for example, I give them $20 tip for staying for 15min. If every hour 4 different girls come by and I stayed for 3 hours, I would be tipping $20 x 4 x 3 = $270? Does not sound like a good deal. I also know there is this thing as booking for like $200. the girl stays with you throughout the night. Correct? What if the evening is so crowded, would the mamasan need the girl to butterfly as well despite being booked?

3. I have always heard about the "playability" ratings but not what constitutes to "playability". Pardon my straightforwardness and language, so if the girls come in, and I can do stuff like digging pussies, groping and sucking boobs, grinding, this is considered high playability? So if playability is low, mostly like they only allow hugging and pecks on cheeks?

4. Services. So, HJ and BJ not allowed in rooms? Even if they are allowed, a separate price has to be negotiated right? I doubt the SG KTVs are so daring that FJ is allowed in the room. Unless you are talking about Malay KTVs, which RnB time allows you to bonk the girl at a right price.

5. Since there are like 6 levels of KTVs, how is it possible to search for your ideal girl? Go to every single floor to try?

Overall, my feeling is that going to PRC KTVs are perhaps the most expensive mode of cheonging. From what I read so far, no guarantees of a FJ for each trip, which may cost you hundreds of dollars. Some bros still have to bring girls out for supper to see if there is a chance of something happening in the end.

Sorry if this is off topic. I just want to know more about cheonging PRC KTVs.

And good job to bro warbird for religiously sharing his tips and experiences.

Bro,

Just join one of my outings to PC. PM your contact info pls. I'm overseas now, will return to Sg in two weeks.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by maomaoz

what is the difference between happy hour and nightclub hour in a KTV?

if i want to watch singing performances is it considered during nightclub hour??

Bro,

Happy hour or HH is usually from 4:30 to 9:30 PM, depending on the joint. Standard hour or SH follows HH.

Cheers!

Bro WB