Anyone knows when will be the exact time that GL will be open again?

[fatguy]

Nothing to panic about. The numbers in the community was always going to increase once P2 is started. Hence a gradual flow of stuff opening.

Hopefully people have some sense and still do their best not to spread it but like it or not, Geylang will change.

Once Safe Entry is deployed, a lot of married people will stop going, especially those rich ones with alot of lose. Even KTV numbers will drop. Even local single and poor Singaporeans like me need to change. No more JM/JS for budget bonk. No more Cat50 any more. Like it or not Cat40 and 50 is very attractive for FT, especially those who have been stuck in dorms, so need to go higher tier to avoid this virus.

Its gonna be interesting for sure. And please think with your big head... be safe not sorry.

[ahha2011]

Got a feeling, geylang will be clean town.

Lawrence wong said might having even tighten measures or back to cb stage.

[Allanooi]

With local community cases been double digits for past 2 days and if continued such trends unlikely GL will reopened in July

[Xen1988]

Originally Posted by overboard

I would disagree ghat they are imported case. If it is, gov would state it. The latest trend seems to be work pass holders. Which means those foreigners working (Filipino working in retail shops, PRC in hai di Lao, you get what I mean) are getting infected. The worrying thing is we don't know if the rise of these covid cases are are MLs or not

Nani?! Where you saw news for PRC in hai di lao? Which area ?gg

[grafitti1]

Originally Posted by Allanooi

With local community cases been double digits for past 2 days and if continued such trends unlikely GL will reopened in July

The trend to look for isn't the overall community cases, it's the number of unlinked symptomatic cases and present themselves to a doctor as that poses the highest risk of unknown community transmission. Cases from routine screening of workers in essential services doesn't seem to be a factor either as they are easily isolated along with their contacts. This is even confirmed by Gan Kim Yong himself today. As I've posted previously, yesterday there was only one of such case amongst the 23 community cases (Case 44944, claimed asymptomatic but the press release states he was tested for ARI symptoms nani??) with more than half of those linked.

This press release from MOH released just now also states that the worrying number of cases are still in single digits and contains more useful additional info regarding the nature of some of the unlinked cases. Guess they released it to stem some of the panic lots of people are having lol.

TLDR of the press release is:
10. The remaining unlinked cases in the community continue to be in the low single digits currently. Our ARI testing has scaled up significantly in the recent two weeks, which has helped to pick up these cases. They are an important indicator of underlying community spread.

[fatguy]

Originally Posted by grafitti1

TLDR of the press release is:
10. The remaining unlinked cases in the community continue to be in the low single digits currently. Our ARI testing has scaled up significantly in the recent two weeks, which has helped to pick up these cases. They are an important indicator of underlying community spread.

I got to agree, we need to keep the unlink cases down, those who are linked some way or another is more or less expected.

if a person gets it, his family will sure get, then need to check his work place and other contact places. this one will bring the numbers up. but hopefully the infections will be kept in this persons "bubble" meaning if we can contain his bubble, and the bubble of the people around him/her we might be able to stop a cluster. and that has always been a goal of preemptive screening.

What we need to avoid is a "super spreader" like the guy who when to a lot of night clubs in korea. hence why clubs/pubs/discos are still closed, i am guessing once they are open, they will also make it a restriction that you cannot visit more then 1 club/pub/disco per day.

From what i see, i believe the numbers are within reasonable range for us to carry out opening up different sectors. I don't expect the Gov to announce that "Geylang brothels are open" more like "We are opening up personal entertainment and services industry, so company that are running KTV, Spas, Clubs etc will be allowed to reopen subjected to approval from MOH or MTI or whatever." This will be the first clue that the green light been given and slowly one by one will open. by the way, there will be a screening process, most likely will take a week or two once its announce (initial check, change, second check, approval), most likely family ktv will open first, subjected to a limited number of people.

at the end of the day, keep calm. things are getting better. just pray that people have common sense and don't mess things up.

[grafitti1]

Originally Posted by fatguy

I got to agree, we need to keep the unlink cases down, those who are linked some way or another is more or less expected.

if a person gets it, his family will sure get, then need to check his work place and other contact places. this one will bring the numbers up. but hopefully the infections will be kept in this persons "bubble" meaning if we can contain his bubble, and the bubble of the people around him/her we might be able to stop a cluster. and that has always been a goal of preemptive screening.

What we need to avoid is a "super spreader" like the guy who when to a lot of night clubs in korea. hence why clubs/pubs/discos are still closed, i am guessing once they are open, they will also make it a restriction that you cannot visit more then 1 club/pub/disco per day.

Yeap, that's absolutely right. EDIT: Oh and there's this CNA article if anyone was speculating a reversal of phase/going back into lockdown. Spoiler: We aren't going back into lockdown/Phase 1 after GE

Originally Posted by fatguy

From what i see, i believe the numbers are within reasonable range for us to carry out opening up different sectors. I don't expect the Gov to announce that "Geylang brothels are open" more like "We are opening up personal entertainment and services industry, so company that are running KTV, Spas, Clubs etc will be allowed to reopen subjected to approval from MOH or MTI or whatever." This will be the first clue that the green light been given and slowly one by one will open. by the way, there will be a screening process, most likely will take a week or two once its announce (initial check, change, second check, approval), most likely family ktv will open first, subjected to a limited number of people.

Gov is definitely taking a step by step approach in regards to entertainment like first letting cinemas reopening on 13/7. Btw, spas along with massage parlors are opened since 19/6. The screening process has pretty much taken place for quite a number of houses already and some if not all are already approved with the safety measures. Contact tracing wise, brothels are much less of a risk of super-spreading events (despite the activity being high risk to individuals but so are social gatherings of 5 and even that has a high risk of super-spreading) compared to clubs and some KTVs and even easier to track since customers aren't likely to be too many (a week's worth of GL customers is definitely going to be lesser than that of cinemas) and it's so tightly controlled so I doubt clubs/KTVs can reopen as early as GL, logically speaking.

Local attractions (except for Night Safari I guess, but why only that lol?) and casinos opened on 1/7, arcades/LAN shops/billiard saloons/escape rooms, hell even paintball arenas opened on 4/7, staycations are also now allowed. Looking at how the safety measures are already in place, AV definitely has a date in mind in the near future and seeing as how the 13/7 date of cinemas reopening isn't delayed, I doubt their date isn't either.

[Dignified69]

Originally Posted by grafitti1

Yeap, that's absolutely right. EDIT: Oh and there's this CNA article if anyone was speculating a reversal of phase/going back into lockdown. Spoiler: We aren't going back into lockdown/Phase 1 after GE


Gov is definitely taking a step by step approach in regards to entertainment like first letting cinemas reopening on 13/7. Btw, spas along with massage parlors are opened since 19/6. The screening process has pretty much taken place for quite a number of houses already and some if not all are already approved with the safety measures. Contact tracing wise, brothels are much less of a risk of super-spreading events (despite the activity being high risk to individuals but so are social gatherings of 5 and even that has a high risk of super-spreading) compared to clubs and some KTVs and even easier to track since customers aren't likely to be too many (a week's worth of GL customers is definitely going to be lesser than that of cinemas) and it's so tightly controlled so I doubt clubs/KTVs can reopen as early as GL, logically speaking.

Local attractions (except for Night Safari I guess, but why only that lol?) and casinos opened on 1/7, arcades/LAN shops/billiard saloons/escape rooms, hell even paintball arenas opened on 4/7, staycations are also now allowed. Looking at how the safety measures are already in place, AV definitely has a date in mind in the near future and seeing as how the 13/7 date of cinemas reopening isn't delayed, I doubt their date isn't either.

Thank you bro graffiti1 and bro fatguy for your logical, sensible and fact based analysis. You are a credit to this forum. Respect lah!

[StealthBomber]

Originally Posted by grafitti1

Yeap, that's absolutely right. EDIT: Oh and there's this CNA article if anyone was speculating a reversal of phase/going back into lockdown. Spoiler: We aren't going back into lockdown/Phase 1 after GE


Gov is definitely taking a step by step approach in regards to entertainment like first letting cinemas reopening on 13/7. Btw, spas along with massage parlors are opened since 19/6. The screening process has pretty much taken place for quite a number of houses already and some if not all are already approved with the safety measures. Contact tracing wise, brothels are much less of a risk of super-spreading events (despite the activity being high risk to individuals but so are social gatherings of 5 and even that has a high risk of super-spreading) compared to clubs and some KTVs and even easier to track since customers aren't likely to be too many (a week's worth of GL customers is definitely going to be lesser than that of cinemas) and it's so tightly controlled so I doubt clubs/KTVs can reopen as early as GL, logically speaking.

A lot of the community cases, it's already mentioned, is due to workplaces, specifically construction related and dorm related. Then these positive cases go home and spread to family, resulting in uptick of 4, 5 cases each occurrence.

KTV, even for family bookings, need to wait for singing activities at PA and private classes to be allowed first, IMHO. Currently all kinds of singing get-togethers still prohibited.

Bars, pubs, clubs as you say, are the last on the list, after GL - due to the nature of the moving around, socialising and state of inebriation (drunk people are not going to comply with any rules). Potential for super-spreading is there. Absolute last to be allowed will be mass gathering / conventions.

GL, spa etc. are all one-one interactions, and though some spas have been visited by covid cases, luckily no news of further spread. Similar to schools, where several students and staff were detected positive but stopped there. If govt does not employ a "hammer" approach, these industries probably can remain cautiously operating.

Take note however that aggressive ring-fencing and tracing means that now if you are contacted and asked to SHN/LOA - whole world will know the circumstances Your family members have to SHN with you, and they cannot go to work or school. No hiding is possible...

[omnia]

Originally Posted by StealthBomber

Take note however that aggressive ring-fencing and tracing means that now if you are contacted and asked to SHN/LOA - whole world will know the circumstances Your family members have to SHN with you, and they cannot go to work or school. No hiding is possible...

With due respect, do you know for a fact how MOH conducts and performs it's contact tracing protocol/management process?

I would be very keen to hear from any samster who has actually gone through MOH's contact tracing protocol, all the way to actions taken ie LOA/SHN/QO etc...

In particular I am curious to know how MOH complies with the patient confidentiality issue while effectively carrying out it's contact tracing and ring fencing duties...

[galaxyass]

So in other words once you are tracked down, the whole world will know where you contacted the virus... this is bad news....
How to answer like that....������

[omnia]

Originally Posted by galaxyass

So in other words once you are tracked down, the whole world will know where you contacted the virus... this is bad news....
How to answer like that....������

With due respect, do you know this for a fact?

Ditto what I asked above.

[grafitti1]

Originally Posted by omnia

With due respect, do you know for a fact how MOH conducts and performs it's contact tracing protocol/management process?

I would be very keen to hear from any samster who has actually gone through MOH's contact tracing protocol, all the way to actions taken ie LOA/SHN/QO etc...

In particular I am curious to know how MOH complies with the patient confidentiality issue while effectively carrying out it's contact tracing and ring fencing duties...

Back in March my buddy got a quarantine order from one of the Jurong SAFRA cases (legit QO which is the one enforced at that time, SHN still wasn’t, I have picture evidence if you want proof). They actually call you instead of visiting your place so you can actually hide the fact that it’s actually you who visited GL from other people and the only ones to know are the contact tracers and yourself. The nightly press release also doesn’t state where explicitly a case went to, just a general time and name of the place where a case went to.

[omnia]

Originally Posted by grafitti1

Back in March my buddy got a quarantine order from one of the Jurong SAFRA cases (legit QO which is the one enforced at that time, SHN still wasn’t, I have picture evidence if you want proof). They actually call you instead of visiting your place so you can actually hide the fact that it’s actually you who visited GL from other people and the only ones to know are the contact tracers and yourself. The nightly press release also doesn’t state where explicitly a case went to, just a general time and name of the place where a case went to.

Appreciate the above information buddy.

This is roughly my understanding as well after speaking to several chaps in the Admin Service.

MOH/government is only interested in effectively suppressing and containing the spread of the virus asap. It is also mindful of medico-legal patient confidentiality issues.

Hence, from what I understand, the only parties who will have knowledge as to source of transmission would be MOH/contact tracing personnel and the material party who had actual contact...no one else...

Oh yes, the contact GL house address shall probably be released to the public in the MOH virus contact places list...as a warning precaution...but no other information will be released... eg I notice 2 massage parlours/spas in PPC had recently been listed in the MOH virus contact places list without any other information(except date & timing) ...

[loneyheart]

Just wonder if they really trace thru SafeEntry record when places visited by carriers ?
Read they only advice ppl visited the place to go for check up in the news