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Re: Vietnamisation Program
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How much a decent scooter cost in chao duc? may be getting 1 for my ba xa.. |
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Re: Vietnamisation Program (Extension of stay)
Hello,
Being a "victim" myself, was wondering if any of you guys have any experiences or tips on extending the stay of a viet gal who comes over. Let me give you the background first about this viet gal. 1st time she was here. (The exact duration of her stay. I'm not too sure.) Came to SG, given x wks Went to JB for 1 day, came back and extended x wks. Abt 1 month later 2nd time she was here. Came to SG given 2 wks visa She paid $300 and the guy brought her to SIR at lavender, managed to get an extension of 2 wks. Abt 2 weeks later. (Now) Came to SG given 1 wk visa.(Last day is 22 Feb) So that her history. Now comes my qns, how can I help her extend her stay here?? That syndicate's asking for more money now!! I have visited the ICA website but it didn't really say anything abt extending. I'm not too sure abt the exact procedure but I suppose I have to go over to SIR fill up some forms and I will know the results of the extension immediately, like what the guy did previously. However, I need to know the finer details?? I've d/l 2 forms (14 and V39I) not sure if it's the correct ones...but from what I see, there are a few things which I wouldn't know how to ans. How should I answer these qns?? * Her address in sg?? If I delcare her as my friend/girlfriend. Does she have to stay with me or any address will do?? * Her occupation, education. Does all these matter?? * What's my relationship with her?? what should I put for this?? * If the guy previously declared himself as her BF and now another guy(me) did the same, would they qns me?? But from what I understand, the guy help a lot gals before, so I guess in record he already has a lot of GFs?? * SHOULD I get her stay extended, and she gets caught "working", what are the implications the "sponser(me)" might have?? * Or should I bring her out to another country like indo or JB?? But what's the process of coming back like?? That's I'm not too sure myself. These are the things I can think of now. Even though the form maybe wrong. But I suppose I will be faced with similar qns?? I don't want to mess it up. Do you have any similar experiences?? Any tips for me?? If I miss out something, please by all means tell me!! Thanks a lot for reading!! Please help your fellow "victims!!" |
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You only need Form 14. There wont be much questioning. Looking at the timing sequence, dun think she can get an extension so easily though, ICA damn stuck up recently, even declare relatives oso cannot heheh... Can try going for a roundabout in JB maybe
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Re: Vietnamisation Program (Extension of stay)
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As I mentioned to u, y go into all these shit??? Unless u telling me, she is your wife to be, just like our Lament..... then I lan lan.
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Aiyoh... Perhaps we should go to the club and chit chat again. It has been a while since we met ya... |
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Re: Vietnamisation Program
Thanks a lot bros Neamlo, Rof|maoxz, SingViet, Lesson for all their help. I've gotten a lot info from you nice ppl!! Thanks!!
Let me try consolidate all the info I have gathered. Some may contradict each other but I will list them out anyway. Hopefully it will be useful to some other bros who is just as "stupid" as me. First of all, the purpose of this post to provide info to ppl who wants to extend a person's social visit pass after the set number of days given to the person when he/she first enter SG, by maybe from 3 days to 2 weeks or even more. Not trying to get PR, anything long term or go ROM that kind of stuff. Quote from ICA website. Social Visitor On Short Visit * A copy (original) of duly completed Form 14, Form V39 (Form V39 is only for non-Malaysians ). Every applicant (including children) has to complete a set of these forms. You will require Adobe Acrobat Reader to read and print the form. Download may take a while; * Applicant's valid travel document; * Onward/return ticket (for applicant who is non-Malaysian); * Sponsor's identity card. So far, there are 2 known methods to me. Both methods has been abused thoroughly so don't think we the smarts ones. Please few free to add more if you know any. Let's start with the easy 1 first. Exit singapore and come back again, usually to a neighbouring country. Basically you bring the person out of SG as if the person is going to leave SG. Then maybe after a day or more. The person comes backs to visit SG again. Thus the whole process of applying to enter SG repeats itself. Pros: Under NORMAL circumstances, a person who wants to visit SG will be given min 3 days social visit pass. Thus it's almost a sure way to get at least 3 more days. Also you will not be liable for the person's action in SG. Cons: If the situation is abnormal, then you would have a big problem. Should you bring the person out of SG, and when upon return the person is refused entry due to some reason. The person is basically stuck there. Somehow, you would have to get whatever belongings or stuff he has over to the country he is stuck in and from there he goes back home. Basically this is a easier method. If the person has already got in once, he probably knows what to do as it's the same process. Nobody seems to be able to have a good way to increase the sucess rate of this method though. Anybody can help?? Applying for an extension at SIR (Lavender) This is slightly more complicated and also have it's good and bad point!! As stated from the quote from the ICA website, prepare the stuff required and head on down to lvl 4 of the SIR building. Pros: Unlike the previous method, it's ok to fail. The person just leave the country according the date orginally stated. Cons: The main concern here is should the person stay is extended, you will now be responsible for his action. Also everybody seems to agree that ICA is quite strict these days and the chance of sucess is not high. Qns which I have and ans I got. What happens if the person gets caught doing something bad in SG. If you sponsor the lady and she is caught during a raid, you will also be charged in court. It could lead to a jail term and fine. The implication is minimal, meaning that if she's caught working without a valid working permit, she will get deported back, and you may bare the expatriate fees if she does not have any money. Quote from form 14. I hereby sponsor this application and certify that it is made for the purpose as stated by the applicant. The statements made in this application are true and correct. I shall be responsible for the cost of the applicant’s repatriation and maintenance pending such repatriation, if necessary. With reference to how to fill up the all important form 14. Her address in sg?? Plus point if she is staying with you. It doesn't matter if it's only for a short time visit. Her occupation, education. Declare her working in decent job as in earning good, like HR exec but must be reasonable.... dun declare working as waitress.... What's my relationship with her?? Bf, a plus point But ICA will grill both of you the relationship, what makes the sudden change of local sponsor, etc... Just be prepared for these answers. If both of you are in serious relationship, you may input as BGR relationship, supported with photos. Other points to take note. How the officer decide on whether to extend the visa. 1) The reason of staying long period in SG (she is here a tourist visa, y will ppl need more than 14 days to tour around SG??) 2) The reason y this ger is always in SG (same as point 1 n y will a ger visit SG so many times?) 3) Whether she has the money to herself in SG (staying in SG is not cheap) 4) Other factors Be prepared to attend interview So this is it at the moment, will add more info when the come up. Hopefully it will be useful for anybody who needs it. Anyway I will be heading down to SIR (20 Feb) Will give a "FR" after that. Wish me luck!! To ans senior neamlo's qns "As I mentioned to u, y go into all these shit??? Unless u telling me, she is your wife to be, just like our Lament..... then I lan lan." Think of it as helping a friend?? Fortunately, I only have 1 such friend?? Some other qns I have and hopefully they can be ans soon thanks!! Form 14, it ask for the occupation and highest education. What would be a good thing to put?? And also how is their education system like?? If I go according the website, I will also need to fill up form V39I?? In that form there is a field which need us to fill up a certain amount as deposit. Is that needed?? Can we fall back on the other plan when 1 fail?? I mean, for e.g I go SIR, application not approved, I then bring the person to JB?? Will they have like a record of the applications I made?? Is there anything that these "agents" know that we don't?? That's why they are getting paid?? e.g they know what to say when the ICA officer ask them, who the gal is...what is she doing here... where she live and things like that. Or they know what's the best time to enter JB...come back SG.... |
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Form 14, it ask for the occupation and highest education. What would be a good thing to put?? And also how is their education system like?? <----Generally put High School, I always do that. If I go according the website, I will also need to fill up form V39I?? In that form there is a field which need us to fill up a certain amount as deposit. Is that needed?? <----ICA will decide what amount is the security deposit, then you shall proceed to any 4 major banks to buy a Banker's Guarantee, or Cashier's Order or NETS. You need not write any amount, they will write it for you. Can we fall back on the other plan when 1 fail?? I mean, for e.g I go SIR, application not approved, I then bring the person to JB?? Will they have like a record of the applications I made?? <----Chances of re-entering is low. Is there anything that these "agents" know that we don't?? That's why they are getting paid?? e.g <----Agents now don't earn as much as in the past. Esp. for STSVP and PDMM pass, not as lucrative as in early years. Those inefficent one will tell those applicants that they will surely get positive answers, but all these are purely verbal promises. Utlimately ICA is the only channel to get this approved. They know what to say when the ICA officer ask them, who the gal is...what is she doing here... where she live and things like that. Or they know what's the best time to enter JB...come back SG....<----Usually Agents will try when the applicants ask for their services. The agents will made the first round filling out forms and apply. If the application is rejected, normally they will advise them to wait for another 4 weeks or so...
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Re: Vietnamisation Program
Thanks Rof|maoxz neamlo!!
It's now 1105...me posting from bugis mc. Reached ICA at around 0830.Filled up the 2 forms...proceeded to get queue no. waited 30mins...go counter...the officer didn't ask much...just my IC...and asked why I need to extend..I said she's visiting me...and that's it...she then gave me back my queue no. and told me to come back at 1300 to collect her passport...so that is why i am here now. so what is going to happen next?? she didnt say anything about an interview but i suspect there is one?? hopefully someone reads this in time...hahaha.... regarding her deposit...i believe the agent didnt pay?? when she was helping her?? |
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Re: Vietnamisation Program
Ok guys!! I'm back!!
The previous post was from a pda, thus didn't write a lot. Let's start from the beginning. Reach ICA lvl 4 at 0830, filled up Form 14 and V39I(The 2 forms are printed on a same piece of paper.) Took me some time to filled up the form and after I'm done, the gal was still queueing just for the queue no. So the wait for the queue no. is already close to 15 mins. After obtaining the queue no. It's another 40 mins wait just to submit the form to the ICA officer. Finally when my number is called. I gave the form with all the relevant docs required to the lady officer. She check all the docs, did some input into her com and asked "Why is she asking for an extension again". I said "She's here to visit me. She paid quite a lot for a plane tix here and was only given 1 week of stay. I was hoping that she can stay a bit longer at least make the money she spended worthwhile." I don't think she even recorded what I said. Then she just told me to proceed to the collection counter at 1300. At the moment it was around 0950. Came back at 1230, our number was only called at 1340. When over to the counter, Lady: "Sorry, your application was rejected." Me: "Is there are way for me to appeal??" Lady: "Ok, you wait outside the interview room and wait for your no. to be called." The wait for the interview was abt 20mins. My no. appeared on the door and I went in with the gal. Inside was this young male officer. Probably not even over 30. I don't remember the entire conversation by these are the things he said or asked. Q:"What your relationship with her" A:"She's my GF" Q:"Why do you want to extend her stay here??" A:Same as what I have said to the lady officer in the beginning plus a bit more of how expensive the tix was and things like that. Q:"Did you know she is extending for the 2nd time?? Who extended it for her the 1st time??" A:"Yes I know, the person who did it for her is probably the friend of her viet female friend she is visiting." Q:"When did you meet her??" A:"It was during the last trip she was here." O:"Oh!! so only about a month or less." These are pretty much all the questions. He then said all these. "It is not good for her to only went back to vietnam for 2 wks and come back again so soon." "This is the LAST time I'm going to extend her stay here. After 2 wks, don't came back and ask for another extension!! Make sure she goes back and stay longer this time round. If she still wants to comes back again in 2 wks or so. Again she will be getting 1 week and no more extension." I then thanked him from the bottom of my heart and left!! So this is it. My "FR". Again thanks to all the senior bros who helped me!! Think it's going to be a LONG while before I try a "stunt" like this again!! |
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Re: Vietnamisation Program
wah, we might have brushed past each other since i was there around 2pm
anyway, saw a very good point by ah gong earlier... Get married, then for sure she can stay |
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