Stephen Leather's Private Dancer

[free]

Originally posted by Mr.romance
Sorry I don quite agree on one issue ...Admire is one thing..
But there are so many jobs u can trade on instead of opening your legs.No doubt its fast money but I feel there is still a way out. I do believe some Singaporeans need money urgently also but I don see them being pros.I myself personally like their type of mentality but not to the extend to open their legs.
I used to visit a local MP and the WL who is a Malaysian claimed tat she need the $ to support her sis's education. I was thinking if u were to look for a decent job u cannot afford to support her meh?

Brudder,

Think about it. If the gal has not much education, no skills that can get her a good job, what can she do? Often times the tot of a sibling making it to the Uni and perhaps become the breakthru the whole family is seeking, plus giving her sibling a chance to have education (= good career, rightly or wrongly) that she never had is enough to drive a gal to this trade. In a sense, she is playing the role her parents could not.

Given her qualification and skillsets, what job/pay can she realistically get? While I dun think I will be able to bring myself t do this job, I can completely understand how she came to this conclusion to put aside her dignity (and even self respect) to do it. That is courage and sacrifice in the highest order, no less different than a mother who is willing sacrifice her life for her child to live, without even a 2nd tot.

Yes, there are of course those that do it for the luxurious life it can bring, but again, there are many who dun know of any other way. Doing what is acceptable in the eyes of the mainstream society may not feed the several (if not many) stomaches she sees herself responsible for.

As for the 30k thing, have u even heard of this thing called dowry? Yes, the figure is kindof high, but the concept is not at all unacceptable, unless of course u are a Westerner. I have seen for myself how a good USA frd broke up with the gal he loves & wanted to marry cos he could not accept the idea of having to exchange her hand in marriage for money. I told him that he is inflexible and loves his pride more than his gal, and he doesn;t understand this thing called filial piety - the Asian way. And it is no fault of the gal if her parents asked for more. Question is whether the guy can afford it. For me, if the gal is really the woman I want to marry and I am sure she feels the same, I wouldn;t even think twice if I can afford the amount asked for.

[Darkstorm]

Originally posted by merfolk
After reading so much, I decided to share some story about the story that happen to me and 2 other friend(Friend A and B)

The 3 of us are very good friend and we like to cheong together to in BKK. Here are what have happen to us in the past 6 month:

Friend A

Visit BKK regularly due to work, got involve to a nice girl in KTV. He pay her intitally for sex and company. She never discuss price with him but he pay her anyway. After some time, the girl start to get serious and don't want his money. She assume that the guy has family in Singapore. She set the rule to him is that whenever he visit BKK, he can only look for her. Friend A gladly accept this arrangement. The girl is really fantastic as she not only take care of Friend A and us to. Like she will serve us food whenever, we go out for a meal. She is a real keeper.


Friend B

Single and early 30s, desperately looking for real love and wife. He got involve with a very pretty girl working in KTV. She lie to him from day one. Like she claim to be studying, which she is not. Later, she even reveal that she actually has two young children. At the same time, she is very controlling over my friend.Like she don't allow him to smoke, he can't go to other KTV beside the one she work in. She never really ask for money but it is a whole mass. Like she would run to my friend's hotel room drunk and cry for the whole night. SHe even threaten to kill herself. At the same time she is even keeping a relationship with one other brunei customer which is going to "Poa" her.

Myself

I am happily married and visit BKK whenever time permit. I keep a totally professional relationship with a student. I think she treat me like a bf but she never turn down the money I given her. I never call her when I am in Singapore. I would call her when I am in BKK. I even had dinner with her friends and sister before. I am not sure how she introduce me since I don't a word of Thai.



What is the moral of the story? It is all fate. And you attract what you are looking for. If you are looking for a real relationship, you will have to go through all the agony of a relationship. If you are looking for a casual relationship, then guess what? You will be lucky.

Thanks for sharing your stories......very interesting...

At the same time she is even keeping a relationship with one other brunei customer which is going to "Poa" her.

What's "Poa" ? Sorry, but I don't understand the dialect or terminology or slang here.

[Darkstorm]

Originally posted by guy_22
Darkstorm,

I am not a saint. I call prostitutes. Perhaps u can suggest better ways of testing a thai girl out. This is just my way of doing things. I buy anything I will check the price, guarantee, expire date, esp if that thing I am going to need it for life and I really like it. Never heard of a saleman who have not lied before.

A most insightful view...thanks for sharing...

Darkstorm

[Darkstorm]

Originally posted by guy_22
Darkstorm,

U sound like someone I know last time. The questions u post also he post before. No one wants to see body. He even go into the mindset of the WL. Good luck.

Hope u find true happiness.

Sorry, what do u mean by "No one wants to see body" ?

Hmmm....what happened to this person u knew? Where is he now? Is it a happy ending? I would hate to be destined for failure...

Thanks, hope u find your happiness too...

Darkstorm

[Darkstorm]

Originally posted by free
Brudder,

Think about it. If the gal has not much education, no skills that can get her a good job, what can she do? Often times the tot of a sibling making it to the Uni and perhaps become the breakthru the whole family is seeking, plus giving her sibling a chance to have education (= good career, rightly or wrongly) that she never had is enough to drive a gal to this trade. In a sense, she is playing the role her parents could not.

Agreed

Given her qualification and skillsets, what job/pay can she realistically get? While I dun think I will be able to bring myself t do this job, I can completely understand how she came to this conclusion to put aside her dignity (and even self respect) to do it. ]That is courage and sacrifice in the highest order, no less different than a mother who is willing sacrifice her life for her child to live, without even a 2nd tot.

I agree. An insightful view.

Yes, there are of course those that do it for the luxurious life it can bring, but again, there are many who dun know of any other way. Doing what is acceptable in the eyes of the mainstream society may not feed the several (if not many) stomaches she sees herself responsible for.

As for the 30k thing, have u even heard of this thing called dowry? Yes, the figure is kindof high, but the concept is not at all unacceptable, unless of course u are a Westerner. I have seen for myself how a good USA frd broke up with the gal he loves & wanted to marry cos he could not accept the idea of having to exchange her hand in marriage for money. I told him that he is inflexible and loves his pride more than his gal, and he doesn;t understand this thing called filial piety - the Asian way. And it is no fault of the gal if her parents asked for more. Question is whether the guy can afford it. For me, if the gal is really the woman I want to marry and I am sure she feels the same, I wouldn;t even think twice if I can afford the amount asked for.

Under the circumstances you stipulated, I wouldn't think twice too...

Darkstorm
(My other comments in blue, above)

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by free
Brudder,

Think about it. If the gal has not much education, no skills that can get her a good job, what can she do? Often times the tot of a sibling making it to the Uni and perhaps become the breakthru the whole family is seeking, plus giving her sibling a chance to have education (= good career, rightly or wrongly) that she never had is enough to drive a gal to this trade. In a sense, she is playing the role her parents could not.

Given her qualification and skillsets, what job/pay can she realistically get? While I dun think I will be able to bring myself t do this job, I can completely understand how she came to this conclusion to put aside her dignity (and even self respect) to do it. That is courage and sacrifice in the highest order, no less different than a mother who is willing sacrifice her life for her child to live, without even a 2nd tot.

There is no right and wrong. Yes, she may want to give the sibling a better education. But giving the sibling a better education, the sibling might become Uni gal FL too. The karma cycle still goes on.

Everyone wants a better life. No doubt about it. No one can say that the real intention of the elder sibling is to earn enough money for her younger sibling. It is up to individual to use it.

But as I said before, there are 101 reasons to justify an action which is being taken. Just that whether we can accept it or not.

1 last thing. What about those gals that are not borned prettier or more beautiful? Sadly they do not have the qualities to be an FL to support their siblings to studies. But, they still try to support their siblings to higher studies too.

The girls are just making use of their body, face and youth to make the most out of it. Don't use, its a waste right?

Nothing wrong with their actions too.

SC

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by free

As for the 30k thing, have u even heard of this thing called dowry? Yes, the figure is kindof high, but the concept is not at all unacceptable, unless of course u are a Westerner. I have seen for myself how a good USA frd broke up with the gal he loves & wanted to marry cos he could not accept the idea of having to exchange her hand in marriage for money. I told him that he is inflexible and loves his pride more than his gal, and he doesn;t understand this thing called filial piety - the Asian way. And it is no fault of the gal if her parents asked for more. Question is whether the guy can afford it. For me, if the gal is really the woman I want to marry and I am sure she feels the same, I wouldn;t even think twice if I can afford the amount asked for.

Excuse me guys,

We are now talking about Thai money which is 700K baht. Equivalent to 30+K SGD.
But today we talk from their currency point of view.

700K is about 70K to what we singaporeans think. Just like you eat roadside chicken rice at 20-25baht which is like what we singaporeans eat in kopitiam at $2-$2.50 for a plate of chicken rice.

Do you guys pay a dowry of $70K if you marry a sgp girl? I am not saying whether it is right or wrong to pay that amount, but I can say is that the family is taking advantage of the situation.

If today both marrying parties are of a higher society class stature, paying a high dowry will look good on both families. Our normal middle sgp family marry off the daughter don't even take so much for dowry.

And imagine that when someone in singapore quote that his dowry price is 30K SGD, people will say wah the female side, "Lion open Big Mouth". Correct? Not to even talk about 70K SGD.

But now we are talking about 700K to the Thais as dowry and you people are saying not even thinking twice of this amount? Is it considered selling the daughter or giving 700K to the family as a form of gratitude. You guys go and think.

If today in singapore, every family is asking for 70K sgd dowry, I think marriage rate will be very very low. The guys will not be able to get married.

Giving dowry is necessary, but not to the extent of being taken advantage of.

SC

Bro,

The girls earn on average 1bonk=20bucks they earn,

Commoner(aka lao bai xing): 20 x 10 = 200(1 day)
200 x 27 = 5,400(1 month)
5400 x 24 = 129,600(2 yr)

Ang pai: 20 x 20 = 400(1 day)
400 x 27 = 10,800(1 month)
10800 x 24 = 259,200(2 yr)

Trust me, u won't be able to buy her out and if u really want to buy a girl out, I suggest u go vietnam get a wife for 12,000. Doctor certified virgin somemore.

That works out to be rough calculations only.

Bros,

70k to many of us is alot, but take note that they here being an ang pai, 7 mths can liaoz. Maybe even lesser time needed.

Many ways to earn money. Earn more, spend more. Earn less, spend less.

(THIS IS COMMERCIAL SEX. PLS DUN FORGET. )

Very hard to sustain their demands lah. U r not obligated to do so. Don't forget they serve not only u. If only u take the trouble to browse through her customers list, I am afraid u may not be able to take it. I mean u stay somewhere near the house and look at every customer looking for her. All walks of life lah, yan dao kias got, rich guys, grandfathers, ang mos and of course people rejected by society. This was what I did last time. Low moral...

K, let's say the girl went back thai already. U call her everyday, e-mail, sms, whatever. Give u ticket fly over also no problem. What can she do when u not with her? Like joy, she does not want to be a kept animal. Nothing u can do to prevent her from straying. All women like yan daos, macho man just like we guys like chio bus, same everywhere.

Saw on discovery channel, the tribal girls going for 1 cow each. Some wulu place. Too bad singapore not like that. Sigh.

Bro,

He went to bangkok with the intention to pursue his girl but when he was there at silom, her home town area, he paused. He was just nearby her house but he never go and see her. He is definitely not heartless. If heartless will not fly over just to see her. In fact, upon landing, he was running a fever in the hotel.

It all voice to money. The guy is not rich. When can he go and see her again. Future expenses? Her parents and relatives? His own parents?

I suggest u try to stay for sometime at thailand yourself first and see if u can adjust to it. Don't assume u can, do it! 1-2 yr at least. High chance people who wants to stay with their tiraks will have to stay in thailand cause the girls like it there.

One point to note is that u r a son. Any parents will hope that their son will take care of them when they r old. In fact, it is our duty. Without them, there will not be us. Spare a thought for your parents. Getting an ex-thai WL to singapore is practically, theoretically impossible for most of us, unless u damn rich or realatives of LKY but I swear he will kill u first.(Throw u at tekong on a thursday night just like the tekong thieves. They really lucky to be still alive. Now got to waste time and charge them. Heehee.) Only way is to go over. LOL

(Enemies tell the nice things and get friendship.
Friends tell the harsh things and get f***ed.
They rather u fuck them than u later kena f**k by others.)

Originally posted by Darkstorm
Sorry, what do u mean by "No one wants to see body" ?

Hmmm....what happened to this person u knew? Where is he now? Is it a happy ending? I would hate to be destined for failure...

Thanks, hope u find your happiness too...

Darkstorm

[thaigers]

Originally posted by yomun
I've no professional training at all.

I've already done my best. I have no regrets at all.

[Sornporn]

To prove your love for sg 30k, thats way too much. My friend who married a WL only pay 10k. And that to him he felt its alot already. But thank goodness, his wife is willing to come to sg and settle down with him. I think she got her PR as well.

Its never easy for us to marry WL. First of all, they only want the money when they choose this trade. Do you think its fun for a job to be bonk by strangers everytime?

Keeping long-distant relationship with them is always almost a guessing game. You never know whats going to happen next. The best solution is to stay there with them and they quit their trade and be with you, or you bring them over to marry and stay with you.

And as for the money issue, it can be very frustrating if your gal keep asking for it. Better be on your guard if it happens too often.

If its true love, I believe any WL won't want to stay in the trade anymore, cos they have found someone whom she can depends on.

As a fellow cheongster myself, it always good to keep your reality in check everytime. This not only applies to Thai culture, but it applies to all WL around the world. Just that Thai girls are the best in showing more care and concern among them all. That is the reason why men around the world are so enchanted by them.

[Phucker]

Originally posted by yomun
I've no professional training at all.

well....thats a surprise of the century....

shit man, we watch too much American idol liao....haha

[Hasa Sas]

Originally posted by Darkstorm
Greetings Mr. romance,

But if your friend feels it is a reasonable request, and the girl is sincere and not a con artist, and that she wants your friend to give her S$30,000 as proof of his committment and love, then I suppose I find it quite understandable.


Darkstorm

I'm surprised by your comment that it is understandable for a girl to ask for $30,000 as a proof of love.....only pig will fall into this trap..... how to differentiate between con artist especially a thai WL.

[MrDevil]

Originally posted by Darkstorm
Greetings Mr. romance,

it's very hard to comment as I do not know your friend or the TG in question, so I can't say I have the whole picture. So please bear in mind that my comments will be based on an incomplete picture.

I suppose any girl that asks u for money for marriage is someone I would generally be highly suspicious of. Is she in love with me, or with my money?

But if your friend feels it is a reasonable request, and the girl is sincere and not a con artist, and that she wants your friend to give her S$30,000 as proof of his committment and love, then I suppose I find it quite understandable.

For myself, if I really love the girl, and if I feel she is not trying to con me of my money, then my answer is "yes", I would fork out the S$30,000 as proof of my love. But I must be certain that she is not someone who is toying with my feelings or out to con me. I hope that answers your question?

Comments anyone?

Darkstorm

Putting anythings else aside, especially if she is out to con or not, which may beyond your or my level to judge at this moment, 70,000b could build a castle (depends where is her hometown), why do you need to use money to prove your love and sincerity? Of course, unless she eyeing nothing else but your money.

Money never prove sincerity of love, but just proving you have a deep gold mine that she can live on.