Hello Boys ....

[mr_missile]

Originally Posted by Gerald Tan

Hi Mr TK69 and Sis Ellen...
When I read the FR of TK69, I am appalled at the poor english sentences;
I have not yet contact or trying to engage Sis Ellen service yet..., perhaps one day ... Hmm...that would be mid 30s by dat time..but time can also makes Ellen a great matured lady...

Your ang mo is not that great too.

[ellen]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerald Tan
Hi Mr TK69 and Sis Ellen...
When I read the FR of TK69, I am appalled at the poor english sentences;
I have not yet contact or trying to engage Sis Ellen service yet..., perhaps one day ... Hmm...that would be mid 30s by dat time..but time can also makes Ellen a great matured lady...

Originally Posted by mr_missile

Your ang mo is not that great too.

Dear mr_missile,

Thanks for posting on my thread..well, you boys are welcome to express your thoughts on my thread with good or poor english, let's skip the formalities!

[ellen]

To all the guys who have read 'SanJames' FR and followed his tips, thank you for making the effort to do that little something extra for me...

Have a good day ahead!

[kbearsg]

It's not easy to please everyone. Being an FL is a tough "profession" if I could call it that. As a guy I'm sure there are women out there (FLs or otherwise) that you're turned off by - can you imagine that similar feelings are held by FLs too?

I think it's not necessary to probe into a FLs history. If you think she has a financial issue, just give her a decent tip. You're not there to provide counsel. In most cases people are not qualified to do that.

The reason FLs like Ellen would like to know your background is that it's important that she doesn't have the chance to meet you in a professional setting. Can you imagine how awkward it is to meet your FL in a work setting?

I don't really care what the FL really "likes" - but you should say what you like and what turns you on so at least she can work on it. What do you think she would "like" most? That you behave like a gentleman and as a bonus help her orgasm - perhaps the latter is too much to ask but you can certainly perform the former.

Ellen, I'd suggest you maintain a private website with a link in your signature and discuss the Do's and Don'ts and preferred ettiquette. I think it's tough for most people to keep referring to James' FR. The standards which James discussed is more or less what's expected when you engage an escort and if you want to position yourself in that light then the marketing has to change. PM me if you wish and I'll help you as best as I can.

[ellen]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tk69
I had an opportunity to meet up with Ellen recently. With the overwhelming majority of incredibly positive FRs that only speaks kudos of Ellen's efforts to date, I have hesitated to write my FR, as it apparently does not fit into the majority and hence may create some controversy. Having given it due deliberation however, I believe it will be useful to channel only the kind of clientele that Ellen would like, and thus save her and would be clients the not-so-positive experience I have had. I hope others will find it a balanced report on the unique experience that is Ellen.

Having read so much about Ellen before our actual meeting, by itself created an aura of mystery which I believe was intentional, and with absolutely nothing to go on other than unanimously positive reports, I felt almost compelled to experience Ellen for myself. After initial email contact, I was informed that it was imperative to understand as much of Ellen as I possibly could from what was already written (paying attention to T&Cs and more specifically the don'ts). Without taking the time to doing so, I was cautioned, she would not have the time to spend with me either. Although a somewhat high handed approach, I decided to comply. After all, I told myself, so many FRs can't be wrong. From the reports I drew the following conclusions:
- Ellen was in a nasty financial situation and needed help to get out of it.
- price is non negotiable
- email contact, although cumbersome, was necessary to enable Ellen with her high intellect and sensitivity to work out an experience specially tailored to my personality gleaned from my emails. Wow, I thought, Ellen must be, and apparently also in the minds of many, a true professional.
- to achieve this end, I would need to project more of myself in order to
enjoy an experience worth the price .
- Ellen is pleasant and cheerful , not a time waster nor time watcher, and a
sensual creature that is skilled in bed.

Below were my actual observations:

I tried to connect by firstly telling Ellen about myself in early emails . I decided
to relate to Ellen one crucial fact about me , which is that a one sided "take
and take " encounter is a turn - off for me , but that mutual enjoyment is a
turn - on. Surprisingly , no questions returned on what I had written about myself, other than height and weight. Equally surprisingly was that no information about what she liked was offered either. In fact, in response to
my questions , she directed me to read a FR from someone who did not get what he wanted , ie more Don'ts. How odd , I thought to myself. When I pointed this out, I was asked not to "think too much". Despite several
attempts on my part to find out more about her in an informal friendly way, responses were short and all too often excluded answers to questions I had asked, citing work and numerous emails "every minute " that had to be
answered as the reason . I left it at that.

Next I tried connecting by understanding Ellen's situation, which due to possible sensitivity, I reserved to ask only in person. Unfortunately, Ellen became very very defensive when asked the most basic of questions about her financial situation that led to this path. While I can understand that perhaps privacy concerns might not allow her to say anything, which is fine by me,what I encountered was an almost angry Ellen, indignant that anyone who paid "only $250" could think to ask such a question. When I mentioned that my question arose out of a genuine desire to help, what ensued was some fifty minutes later of conversation dwelling in the inappropriateness of my attempt to connect, during which I was repeatedly reminded of what the "transaction" was all about (not at all about helping out but a well deserved remuneration for time spent), and that Ellen did not enjoy any of this (despite all FRs) in the least. Imagine my surprise then, when I was dutifully reminded that the clock was still ticking. Not wanting to burst her bubble about where all this was going, I did the shower routine and did experience for at least five minutes some semblance of what others had written about. Problem was the bird had flown the coop so to speak, and as I had been too fiercely reminded that no enjoyment was possible from Ellen's end, thus none was possible from my end either.
- an alarm went off in the background exactly 7 minutes after the shower routine, Ellen stating matter of fact that she was "a time watcher", leaving me thoroughly confused, and somewhat short changed. Whatever, I wasn't in the mood to articulate the feelings I had. Let them be in my FR instead, if I wrote one. I am sure with the many takers of Ellen's offer, this FR is most unlikely to ruin anyone's rice bowl. And I feel it is only right to caution those with similar preconceptions as I of what really to expect.
- in mitigation, I will say Ellen, for her age, is very well kept, and can give a lot of guys an experience in bed to be savored. Just remember to keep it strictly business, don't be taken in by her perky and energetic performance, as she has clearly stated she does not enjoy any of it (this part still contradicts what I have read and observed. Draw your own conclusions).

TK

Dear tk69,

I would like to address your FR on me...

“Are you enjoying what you’re doing right now?” and “why or how did you get yourself into this? –
You had asked me the above questions when we started the chat!Would you like being ask these questions if you were in my shoes?

Ellen became very very defensive when asked the most basic of questions about her financial situation that led to this path.
These are not ‘most basic’ questions; I am sure no one would choose to ask these questions if he or she is sensible enough!!

out of a genuine desire to help?-
Your kind of help was just a “lip service” by probing into my personal life; you had actually put me into an awkward moment in front of you and that was way beyond my comfortable level!!

May I know; are you paying fees at $250 per hour to have a good time or just trying to probe into my personal life??

Lastly, I am trying to figure out what is your motive of penning this FR on me??? I am sure you have drawn your own conclusion too!!
__________________
warmest,
ellen
[email protected]

Originally Posted by kbearsg

It's not easy to please everyone. Being an FL is a tough "profession" if I could call it that. As a guy I'm sure there are women out there (FLs or otherwise) that you're turned off by - can you imagine that similar feelings are held by FLs too?

I think it's not necessary to probe into a FLs history. If you think she has a financial issue, just give her a decent tip. You're not there to provide counsel. In most cases people are not qualified to do that.

The reason FLs like Ellen would like to know your background is that it's important that she doesn't have the chance to meet you in a professional setting. Can you imagine how awkward it is to meet your FL in a work setting?

I don't really care what the FL really "likes" - but you should say what you like and what turns you on so at least she can work on it. What do you think she would "like" most? That you behave like a gentleman and as a bonus help her orgasm - perhaps the latter is too much to ask but you can certainly perform the former.

Ellen, I'd suggest you maintain a private website with a link in your signature and discuss the Do's and Don'ts and preferred ettiquette. I think it's tough for most people to keep referring to James' FR. The standards which James discussed is more or less what's expected when you engage an escort and if you want to position yourself in that light then the marketing has to change. PM me if you wish and I'll help you as best as I can.

Dear Kbearsg,

I am very grateful to have your supportive note..thanks so much!

Have a restful nite.

[ellen]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by tk69
I had an opportunity to meet up with Ellen recently. With the overwhelming majority of incredibly positive FRs that only speaks kudos of Ellen's efforts to date, I have hesitated to write my FR, as it apparently does not fit into the majority and hence may create some controversy. Having given it due deliberation however, I believe it will be useful to channel only the kind of clientele that Ellen would like, and thus save her and would be clients the not-so-positive experience I have had. I hope others will find it a balanced report on the unique experience that is Ellen.

Having read so much about Ellen before our actual meeting, by itself created an aura of mystery which I believe was intentional, and with absolutely nothing to go on other than unanimously positive reports, I felt almost compelled to experience Ellen for myself. After initial email contact, I was informed that it was imperative to understand as much of Ellen as I possibly could from what was already written (paying attention to T&Cs and more specifically the don'ts). Without taking the time to doing so, I was cautioned, she would not have the time to spend with me either. Although a somewhat high handed approach, I decided to comply. After all, I told myself, so many FRs can't be wrong. From the reports I drew the following conclusions:
- Ellen was in a nasty financial situation and needed help to get out of it.
- price is non negotiable
- email contact, although cumbersome, was necessary to enable Ellen with her high intellect and sensitivity to work out an experience specially tailored to my personality gleaned from my emails. Wow, I thought, Ellen must be, and apparently also in the minds of many, a true professional.
- to achieve this end, I would need to project more of myself in order to
enjoy an experience worth the price .
- Ellen is pleasant and cheerful , not a time waster nor time watcher, and a
sensual creature that is skilled in bed.

Below were my actual observations:

I tried to connect by firstly telling Ellen about myself in early emails . I decided
to relate to Ellen one crucial fact about me , which is that a one sided "take
and take " encounter is a turn - off for me , but that mutual enjoyment is a
turn - on. Surprisingly , no questions returned on what I had written about myself, other than height and weight. Equally surprisingly was that no information about what she liked was offered either. In fact, in response to
my questions , she directed me to read a FR from someone who did not get what he wanted , ie more Don'ts. How odd , I thought to myself. When I pointed this out, I was asked not to "think too much". Despite several
attempts on my part to find out more about her in an informal friendly way, responses were short and all too often excluded answers to questions I had asked, citing work and numerous emails "every minute " that had to be
answered as the reason . I left it at that.

Next I tried connecting by understanding Ellen's situation, which due to possible sensitivity, I reserved to ask only in person. Unfortunately, Ellen became very very defensive when asked the most basic of questions about her financial situation that led to this path. While I can understand that perhaps privacy concerns might not allow her to say anything, which is fine by me,what I encountered was an almost angry Ellen, indignant that anyone who paid "only $250" could think to ask such a question. When I mentioned that my question arose out of a genuine desire to help, what ensued was some fifty minutes later of conversation dwelling in the inappropriateness of my attempt to connect, during which I was repeatedly reminded of what the "transaction" was all about (not at all about helping out but a well deserved remuneration for time spent), and that Ellen did not enjoy any of this (despite all FRs) in the least. Imagine my surprise then, when I was dutifully reminded that the clock was still ticking. Not wanting to burst her bubble about where all this was going, I did the shower routine and did experience for at least five minutes some semblance of what others had written about. Problem was the bird had flown the coop so to speak, and as I had been too fiercely reminded that no enjoyment was possible from Ellen's end, thus none was possible from my end either.
- an alarm went off in the background exactly 7 minutes after the shower routine, Ellen stating matter of fact that she was "a time watcher", leaving me thoroughly confused, and somewhat short changed. Whatever, I wasn't in the mood to articulate the feelings I had. Let them be in my FR instead, if I wrote one. I am sure with the many takers of Ellen's offer, this FR is most unlikely to ruin anyone's rice bowl. And I feel it is only right to caution those with similar preconceptions as I of what really to expect.
- in mitigation, I will say Ellen, for her age, is very well kept, and can give a lot of guys an experience in bed to be savored. Just remember to keep it strictly business, don't be taken in by her perky and energetic performance, as she has clearly stated she does not enjoy any of it (this part still contradicts what I have read and observed. Draw your own conclusions).

TK

Dear tk69,

I would like to address your FR on me...

“Are you enjoying what you’re doing right now?” and “why or how did you get yourself into this? –
You had asked me the above questions when we started the chat!Would you like being ask these questions if you were in my shoes?

Ellen became very very defensive when asked the most basic of questions about her financial situation that led to this path.
These are not ‘most basic’ questions; I am sure no one would choose to ask these questions if he or she is sensible enough!!

out of a genuine desire to help?-
Your kind of help was just a “lip service” by probing into my personal life; you had actually put me into an awkward moment in front of you and that was way beyond my comfortable level!!

May I know; are you paying fees at $250 per hour to have a good time or just trying to probe into my personal life??

Lastly, I am trying to figure out what is your motive of penning this FR on me??? I am sure you have drawn your own conclusion too!!

warmest,
ellen
[email protected]



Quote:
Originally Posted by kbearsg
It's not easy to please everyone. Being an FL is a tough "profession" if I could call it that. As a guy I'm sure there are women out there (FLs or otherwise) that you're turned off by - can you imagine that similar feelings are held by FLs too?

I think it's not necessary to probe into a FLs history. If you think she has a financial issue, just give her a decent tip. You're not there to provide counsel. In most cases people are not qualified to do that.

The reason FLs like Ellen would like to know your background is that it's important that she doesn't have the chance to meet you in a professional setting. Can you imagine how awkward it is to meet your FL in a work setting?

I don't really care what the FL really "likes" - but you should say what you like and what turns you on so at least she can work on it. What do you think she would "like" most? That you behave like a gentleman and as a bonus help her orgasm - perhaps the latter is too much to ask but you can certainly perform the former.

Ellen, I'd suggest you maintain a private website with a link in your signature and discuss the Do's and Don'ts and preferred ettiquette. I think it's tough for most people to keep referring to James' FR. The standards which James discussed is more or less what's expected when you engage an escort and if you want to position yourself in that light then the marketing has to change. PM me if you wish and I'll help you as best as I can.


Dear Kbearsg,

I am very grateful to have your supportive note..thanks so much!

Have a great and joyous weekend ahead!

[faith]

left u a mail ellen

[besafe]

A good lesson on being sensitive.
Cheers.

[ellen]

Originally Posted by faith

left u a mail ellen

Dear faith,

Thanks for your mail and have a good day!

[ellen]

Originally Posted by besafe

A good lesson on being sensitive.
Cheers.

Dear besafe,

Fully agreed with you...I think it's important to apply to whatsoever dealings in our daily life!

Have a great week ahead!

[Titsman]

Originally Posted by tk69

I had an opportunity to meet up with Ellen recently. With the overwhelming majority of incredibly ...
- in mitigation, I will say Ellen, for her age, is very well kept, and can give a lot of guys an experience in bed to be savored. Just remember to keep it strictly business, don't be taken in by her perky and energetic performance, as she has clearly stated she does not enjoy any of it (this part still contradicts what I have read and observed. Draw your own conclusions).

TK

Pardon me as I've always been candid in my opinion,

tk69,

It's nice of you to share or highlight your experience with Ellen but Ellen also have every rights to decide whether to response to your 'expectations' when she met up with you because at the end of the day, it is still a transaction.

In fact, the way I see it, Ellen does in her own little ways try to ensure you guys 'click' prior to meeting up as shown in her T&Cs and profiling.

Thus, I reckon you've tried too hard to woo her for the appointment and when it turn out not the 'beautiful sex affair' which you have envision or conjured, you give her a "Earthly" FR...

I think that's not very nice..it's just a mismatch in expectation. You are definitely not a virgin to such experiences & should understand the meaning of you 'win some & lose some' or 'somebody's meat, another poison"..

Therefore, if you think your experience with Elle is not fantastic, then just dun write any nor patronize her again..I guess Elle & the bros here would find you more gracious that way..

[thickhead]

Originally Posted by Titsman

Pardon me as I've always been candid in my opinion,

tk69,

It's nice of you to share or highlight your experience with Ellen but Ellen also have every rights to decide whether to response to your 'expectations' when she met up with you because at the end of the day, it is still a transaction.

In fact, the way I see it, Ellen does in her own little ways try to ensure you guys 'click' prior to meeting up as shown in her T&Cs and profiling.

Thus, I reckon you've tried too hard to woo her for the appointment and when it turn out not the 'beautiful sex affair' which you have envision or conjured, you give her a "Earthly" FR...

I think that's not very nice..it's just a mismatch in expectation. You are definitely not a virgin to such experiences & should understand the meaning of you 'win some & lose some' or 'somebody's meat, another poison"..

Therefore, if you think your experience with Elle is not fantastic, then just dun write any nor patronize her again..I guess Elle & the bros here would find you more gracious that way..

sorry ellen, my post is not about you.

i only disagree with Titsman's last paragraph. are you saying that when we get bad service, we keep quiet? i thought the purpose of the forum is to share information? i read many reports about bad service in the 3 fl pages and i think they are helpful in some ways and may be educational (such as managing expectations).

did i miss something? are reports to be only about praises? then what is the purpose of this forum? is it about keeping mum about one's perceived bad service so that other brothers will suffer so as to spread the dissatisfaction to everyone???

IMHO, tk69 is entitled to his opinions. ellen has given her defence. it is up to brothers to decide. no need to say who is right or who is wrong. right?

TH

[shoting]

hi...can share ur ctc...

[ellen]

Originally Posted by shoting

hi...can share ur ctc...

hi, i don't share ctc..

[Titsman]

Originally Posted by thickhead

sorry ellen, my post is not about you.

i only disagree with Titsman's last paragraph. are you saying that when we get bad service, we keep quiet? i thought the purpose of the forum is to share information? i read many reports about bad service in the 3 fl pages and i think they are helpful in some ways and may be educational (such as managing expectations).

did i miss something? are reports to be only about praises? then what is the purpose of this forum? is it about keeping mum about one's perceived bad service so that other brothers will suffer so as to spread the dissatisfaction to everyone???

IMHO, tk69 is entitled to his opinions. ellen has given her defence. it is up to brothers to decide. no need to say who is right or who is wrong. right?

TH

yes, yes..I agreed. The last bit is actually meant for me only. Forget to quote unquote disclaimer.