Issue with ICA

[shysaint]

Some Emails to Share:

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Dear Sir

Please refer to your email of xx xxx xx.

2 Please see our reply in black.

Yours sincerely,

Xxxxx Xxxx (xx)
Customer Services Officer
for COMMISSIONER
IMMIGRATION & CHECKPOINTS AUTHORITY
ICA Feedback/xxxxxx

HI, Good Afternoon,

SIR/MDM,

Thanks for your advice and assistance.

Qn : Is there anyway to find out the reason(s) why my friend is refused entry? Is she under any special attention that requires her to go through such a tedious process to allow her to visit here for 1 week?

Ans : We regret to inform you that we are unable to disclose any details pertaining to the refusal of entry. We wish to reiterate that the entry of visitors to Singapore is not automatic and each case is considered on its own merit. This is in accordance to entry requirements in most countries.

Qn : In one of the form; the declaration form I guessed, it states that I have to furnish a Security Deposit. Just to verify, is it necessary? What will be the amount to furnish then?

Ans : Please note that should your appeal be approved, you will be advised accordingly on the amount Security Deposit to be paid.

Qn : In form 14, there are 3 boxes to tick under the “Application For …” which of the selection can I choose since she is refused entry?

Ans : You may select 'Entry Visa & Visit Pass'.

Qn : Under the Disembarkation/Embarkation box; I am required to fill in the D/E form number. However, I am submitting her application now and definitely will not be able to furnish that detail as it is stated that this form is issued to arriving foreigner.

Ans : You may leave this field blank as it is understood that she would not have a DE card number unless she is in Singapore.

Qn : In the Address in Singapore portion, must it be the sponsor address? Or it can be a hotel address? If hotel address is allowable, then hotel information will not be able to furnish during submission as I will not book it for her until the application is approved.

Ans : Should the applicant is unable to confirm a permanent/fix address for her intended duration of stay, you may indicate the sponsor's address here.

Anxiously waiting for your further advice and reply.

Sorry for the inconveniences caused.

Thanks and Regards.

[ My Name ]
9xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx@xxxxxx

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-----Original Message-----
From: ICA Feedback [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, xxx xx, xxxx x:xx PM
To: xxxxxxx@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: Appeal for Entry into Singapore

Dear Sir

Please refer to our interim reply on 12 May 09.

2 Please be informed that generally, visitors are granted entry into Singapore if they are able to meet our entry requirements in accordance with the prevailing laws and policies. The granting of social visit passes to visitors will be determined by the Immigration & Checkpoints Authority (ICA) officers at the Singapore checkpoints. As with most countries, entry into Singapore is not automatic and each case is considered on its own merit. Visitors may also be subjected to further checks and interviews at the immigration checkpoints. Foreigners may be refused entry if they are ineligible for the issuance of a pass.

3 If your friend had been refused entry into Singapore and intends to visit Singapore now, she has to submit an application for Visit Pass,through a local sponsor, prior to her arrival in Singapore, at the Visitor Services Centre, 4th Storey, ICA Building, 10 Kallang Road, Singapore 208718 for consideration. The local sponsor may also mail the application forms and required documents to the following address:


Senior Manager
Visitor Services Centre
ICA Building
10 Kallang Road #08-00
Singapore 208718
Attention: Appeal Unit

4 The following documents are required for the application:

a) Letter of request stating the purpose of entering Singapore;
b) Application Form 14 & V39I (duly completed & signed);
c) Photocopies of applicant's passport;
d) Local sponsor's Singapore I/C (Photocopy if submitted by post); and
e) Notice of refusal, if any.
Note: Local sponsor could be an individual (Singapore Citizen or Permanent Resident aged 21 and above) or a Singapore registered company.

5 Should a company wish to be the local sponsor, a letter of undertaking stating details of her purpose of visit and undertaking of the maintenance and repatriation is required. In addition, she may also include any other supporting documents that she deems relevant to substantiate her application.

6 The application will be assessed on its merits. General processing time is about 4 weeks, however, some cases may take a longer time to process.

7 The local sponsor will be notified by post when the outcome is known. If approved, she will be issued with a letter of permission to enter Singapore. You may wish to download the application forms for application of Visit under Visitor Services in our department’s Internet website at url: http://www.ica.gov.sg/e_services_ove...=290&secid=289. We hope you will find other useful information while surfing our website.

Yours sincerely,

Xxxxxx Xxxx (xx)
Customer Services Officer
for COMMISSIONER
IMMIGRATION & CHECKPOINTS AUTHORITY
ICA Feedback/xxxxxx

[shysaint]

Some emails to share ....

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Dear [My Name]

We refer to your email dated xx xxx xxxx.

2 As our country's first line of defence against terrorist threats, the checkpoints have a vital role to play in ensuring the security and safety of Singapore. The Immigration & Checkpoints Authority (ICA) maintains a high level of vigilance and constantly reviews the security measures at our checkpoints to ensure that no illegal goods and persons, including arms and explosives, are brought into the country. As part of our security clearance process, officers may conduct secondary checks which can include interviews and further screening where necessary. The overriding need to ensure the security of our country may require travellers to put up with a little inconvenience.

3 We would like to seek your understanding and cooperation as we carry out our role to keep Singapore safe and secure.

4 Thank you for taking the time to write to us and giving us the opportunity to clarify the matter.


Thank you.

Yours sincerely

xxxxxxx (xx)
Customer Services Officer
for COMMISSIONER
IMMIGRATION & CHECKPOINTS AUTHORITY
ICA Feedback/xxxxxxx

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Dear Sir / Mdm,

I refer to your email dated xx xxx xxxx.

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I fully understand no. 2 and no. 3 as mentioned in the email.

In fact, I am actually asking your kind office why my girlfriend’s fingerprints and photo are taken.

I believe there must be a reason for doing so and I have not received a reply for that.

I understand your busy schedule and I am truly sorry for the inconvenience caused to your kind office.

Thanks and Regards.

[My Name]
9xxxxxx
xxxx@xxxxxx

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Dear Mr [My Name]

We refer to your email dated xx xxx xxxx.

2 ICA has looked into your case. As with most countries, entry into Singapore is not automatic and each case is considered on its own merit. Visitors may also be subjected to further checks and interviews at the immigration checkpoints.

3 Generally, visitors are granted entry into Singapore if they are able to meet our entry requirements in accordance with the prevailing laws and policies.


Thank you.

Yours sincerely

xxxxxx (xxxx)
Customer Services Officer
for COMMISSIONER
IMMIGRATION & CHECKPOINTS AUTHORITY
ICA Feedback/xxxxxx

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Dear [My Name]

We refer to your email dated x xxx xxxx.

2 We would appreciate it if you could furnish us with the following details to facilitate us to ascertain the matter:

- Your girlfriend's particulars (Full name, Passport number, Date of Birth etc);
- Date/Time & place of occurrence (which checkpoint, arrival/departure hall); and
- Mode of transport (flight details, if any).

Thank you.

Yours sincerely

xxxxxxxx (xxx)
Customer Services Officer
for COMMISSIONER
IMMIGRATION & CHECKPOINTS AUTHORITY
ICA Feedback/xxxxxx

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From "My Name" <xxxxx@xxxx>
xx xxx, xxxx xx:xx PM
Please respond to <xxxxx@xxxxx>

To ICA Feedback/ICA/SINGOV@SINGOV
cc

Subject RE: Enquiries on Procedures

Dear Sir / Mdm,

Thanks for your advice and information provides.

Yes, I understood Paragraphs 8 & 9.

However, I just want to check from your kind office are any implications for future entry into Singapore as her photograph and fingerprints were taken at the point of entry.

Rgds.

[My Name]
9xxxxxx
xxxx@xxxxxx

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by Jdaniel

Bro bAka123,my gf have been in vietnam for almost 9 mths already,all the while been flying there every mth end to spend time with her,but this can't go on,need to find a solution to it,its really taxing to the mind and body when you can't be together with someone who you love and love you truly

You are not the only person , I have been fying in and out of Vietnam for 2 years ... I have friends who in and out for more than that ..... since you cannot take it , why have the relationship ?

If you wanted her to comes in ... you have to do all the necessary paper work .... submit for her entry ... if you don't do the request , then even if the ban period is over, it might not be easy for her to comes in ...

Find a valid reason and submit the application, they know she has a valid sponsor , so they will consider her entry to be lifted early ....

YOu can wait and grumble until cow comes home, nothing wil happen ....

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by Jdaniel

Bro bAka123,my gf have been in vietnam for almost 9 mths already,all the while been flying there every mth end to spend time with her,but this can't go on,need to find a solution to it,its really taxing to the mind and body when you can't be together with someone who you love and love you truly

haha..only 9 mths...I had been flying monthly in and out of hcm for the past 3 years...besides I dun wan my ger to come Sillypore...I wan to go there stay...hahaha...

Oso knew plenty of bros here in Vn threads are flying there monthly...

Originally Posted by shysaint

You are not the only person , I have been fying in and out of Vietnam for 2 years ... I have friends who in and out for more than that ..... since you cannot take it , why have the relationship ?

yes yes...bro shysaint is one of them...we always gather in hcm...nvr met here in sinkie land...

[Jdaniel]

Originally Posted by shysaint

You are not the only person , I have been fying in and out of Vietnam for 2 years ... I have friends who in and out for more than that ..... since you cannot take it , why have the relationship ?

If you wanted her to comes in ... you have to do all the necessary paper work .... submit for her entry ... if you don't do the request , then even if the ban period is over, it might not be easy for her to comes in ...

Find a valid reason and submit the application, they know she has a valid sponsor , so they will consider her entry to be lifted early ....

YOu can wait and grumble until cow comes home, nothing wil happen ....

I never thought of giving up this relationship,just wish to be with ber everyday thats why i am asking help from brothers on the same boat as me out here,and thanks for some brothers out here,i have roughly know how to go about and get things done,next step is to put words into action,me too wish to stay at vietnam,but perhaps wait till i have save enough to open a coffeeshop there

[SureScore]

Originally Posted by Jdaniel

I never thought of giving up this relationship,just wish to be with ber everyday thats why i am asking help from brothers on the same boat as me out here,and thanks for some brothers out here,i have roughly know how to go about and get things done,next step is to put words into action,me too wish to stay at vietnam,but perhaps wait till i have save enough to open a coffeeshop there

Wish you good luck.

[volcano]

Originally Posted by Jdaniel

me too wish to stay at vietnam,but perhaps wait till i have save enough to open a coffeeshop there

wat kind of coffee shop u want to open in Vietnam....those that r same in Sillypore...????

anyway,this is not the proper thread to discuss abt things in VN,lets meet up in the right thread if u wants to know more about VN....

[ICAlaw101]

Originally Posted by shysaint

You are not the only person , I have been fying in and out of Vietnam for 2 years ... I have friends who in and out for more than that ..... since you cannot take it , why have the relationship ?

If you wanted her to comes in ... you have to do all the necessary paper work .... submit for her entry ... if you don't do the request , then even if the ban period is over, it might not be easy for her to comes in ...

Find a valid reason and submit the application, they know she has a valid sponsor , so they will consider her entry to be lifted early ....

YOu can wait and grumble until cow comes home, nothing wil happen ....

As a point of illustration.

Sometimes person can organize his appeal submission with supporting documents and make various appeals. The typical reasons given for the appeal is for the foreigner to visit relative, friend. All these are valid reasons.

The missing link and CHIEF REASON is to find out the reason for the ICA ban in the first place and exact duration of the appeal. All these are still unknown to the local sponsor even after multiple DIY appeals as ICA never reveals it to an individual sponsor who DIY the appeal. ICA also never reveal this to the MP.

The entire series of emails exhibited show that ICA does not reveal it in a DIY appeal.

When the appeal fails, the lawyer appeal helps to uncover the reason for the ban and the duration. At this stage, a substantive or "meatier" appeal can be drafted and put in by the lawyer. At this stage, as most issues are addressee. The appeal usually work.

For those who did not use the lawyer appeal route, do consider it. For those who did not personally use the lawyer appeal route, do not dismiss it.

In this thread, we are exploring options to persuade ICA. All options are welcome.

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

When the appeal fails, the lawyer appeal helps to uncover the reason for the ban and the duration. At this stage, a substantive or "meatier" appeal can be drafted and put in by the lawyer. At this stage, as most issues are addressee. The appeal usually work.

I have doubt on this unless you can prove me wrong...ICA will not reveal to the lawyer reasons why the gal/client was not permitted to enter if they dun reveal to the MP who can be the minister for home affairs or PM...lawyer cannot interfere in the law but can only appeal on client's they representing...the client has to be truthful to their lawyer and inform the lawyer why they are caught and deported...so the lawyer can mount a good appeal for their client...please prove me wrong...my humble 2 cents worth...

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

I have doubt on this unless you can prove me wrong...ICA will not reveal to the lawyer reasons why the gal/client was not permitted to enter .... please prove me wrong...my humble 2 cents worth...

Bro Hurricane ...

Same Sentiments as you ....

But this bro does not think so .... his thinking of engaging a lawyer would be able to get ICA to reveal or solve any deporting / banning issues ....

I am also waiting for him to prove me wrong ...

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by shysaint

Same Sentiments as you ....

But this bro does not think so .... his thinking of engaging a lawyer would be able to get ICA to reveal or solve any deporting / banning issues ....

I am also waiting for him to prove me wrong ...

think he is a undergraduate in law or new lawyer...hope to appeal for more clients...but for ICA ban or appeal...he will has his hands full...

I had worked with lawyer for this kind of appeal and sad to say lawyer also receive standard ICA reply...

[SureScore]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

I have doubt on this unless you can prove me wrong...ICA will not reveal to the lawyer reasons why the gal/client was not permitted to enter if they dun reveal to the MP who can be the minister for home affairs or PM...lawyer cannot interfere in the law but can only appeal on client's they representing...the client has to be truthful to their lawyer and inform the lawyer why they are caught and deported...so the lawyer can mount a good appeal for their client...please prove me wrong...my humble 2 cents worth...

Some of the MPs are lawyers too. In fact most opposition MPs are lawyers.

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

I had worked with lawyer for this kind of appeal and sad to say lawyer also receive standard ICA reply...

I have shown a few sample email of reply.. all standard reply from ICA ....

If he thinks can get a better replies by engaging a lawyer ... well ... now is my turn to ask him to show us any replied letter from ICA which is appealed by engaging a lawyer, else the BROs here will be misled by him thinking egaging a lawyer will solve all their problems ...

[ICAlaw101]

bro shy saint,

Your comments really shows you have never engaged a lawyer. First, the lawyer will engaged by a client will not reveal the letter due to the issue of lawyer-client confidentiality. Secondly, the client who used the lawyer who got his gf in would not show this letter in public in order not to stir more trouble.

Not having used a lawyer yourself, dun say mislead caused you may be sued by some bros here who may be lawyers.

If you need to know the chances of success of using a lawyer go spend some money and ask a lawyer for consultation. He will assess and tell you your chances.

I am revealing my knowledge of the inner workings of ICA and the law. If I am assumed to be working inside ICA, do you need me to show my civil service card?

Finally, the fact that you blanked out the details of your very own emails show that you were afraid to show the full information in those emails.

For your added info, while someone may hide behind the acronym of a nickname on the internet, their identity can be disclosed with a court order served on the service provider of the internet portal. Furthermore, the computer ID that you used to log on can be traced.

I rest may case again. You need lawyer's opinion, please pay.

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

Your comments really shows you have never engaged a lawyer.

YES , I never engage a lawyer , but why should I engage a lawyer IF I Don't need them NOW ...

Just for this littte discussion, you make assumtion for people that they never engage lawyer before .... so I can say, everything you shared is based on your assumption ....

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

First, the lawyer will engaged by a client will not reveal the letter due to the issue of lawyer-client confidentiality. Secondly, the client who used the lawyer who got his gf in would not show this letter in public in order not to stir more trouble.

Why are you telling me this ........ I am not intersted to know what they do, you also do not need to tell me just to substantiate your claims .....

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

Not having used a lawyer yourself, dun say mislead caused you may be sued by some bros here who may be lawyers.

YES , I am obviously NOT a Lawyer .... I am telling YOU to NOT Misled BROs here ... Don't everything also tell them to go find a lawyer .... if you got no experiences to share, then just keep quiet ... i guess BROs here will be very appreciative ...

I strongly believe that Lawyers don't talk like you talk ,, and lawyers won't talk and comment about revealing people's identity or details online ...

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

If you need to know the chances of success of using a lawyer go spend some money and ask a lawyer for consultation. He will assess and tell you your chances.

why should I now go find and pay a lawyer becasue of this little discussion .. I got nothign better to do issit ??? u okie anot ????

See .. everything you share , all revolve engaging a lawyer ... why don't you open a thread and discuss about engaging a lawyer ..... that will be a more appropriate thread ...

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

I am revealing my knowledge of the inner workings of ICA and the law. If I am assumed to be working inside ICA, do you need me to show my civil service card?

It's good ... really appreciative ....

Well , if you wanna show, WHO can STOP You ??? It's your post, It's CS card ??? It's your FACE, your details ... NOT mine ....

No one is asking your to substantaite your post by showing something personal ....

You want people to upz you ... If you talk like that ... no one is going to respect you post ... how people upz you ......

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

Finally, the fact that you blanked out the details of your very own emails show that you were afraid to show the full information in those emails.

1stly, I No share, you issue me orders ... KPKB ... now share already u say I blank off details ...... afraid to show .. what you want to see ??? or what you want ???

Why MUST i POST other people's details for you to see when it got NONE of your concern ?

2ndly, You got net ethic anot ??? .... You want me to post the CSO's name ???? You want me to post my wife's name? You want me to post my name, my NRIC no,my contact number, address, email and etc ??? You want me to post the feedback number ?

You told me that if I want to share, I can blank out some sensitive details ... NOW I blanked off ... you NOT HAPPY, KPKB ... so what you want ???

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WILL POST ALL THE DETAILS of the person involved or the requestor ON A LETTER OR EMAIL FOR US TO SEE, because I know you are a sensible person not to disclose other people details .... Correct bo? I also believe a Lawyer won't do that .. correct bo ???

Seriously , since you have suspicicions on the email I have shared, this showed that you only talk based on your inner knowledge and you have NEVER seen an appeal letter or email ...

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

For your added info, while someone may hide behind the acronym of a nickname on the internet, their identity can be disclosed with a court order served on the service provider of the internet portal. Furthermore, the computer ID that you used to log on can be traced.

Whether I can be traced or not, it got nothing to do with the discussion... anyway, I OBVIOUSLY know I can be traced, you do not need to make this assumption for me ... but then .. we are talking about ethic not to post particulars and details of others on net... you should know ..... unless you are a ^*&%# .....

Originally Posted by ICAlaw101

I rest may case again. You need lawyer's opinion, please pay.

Humor ??? not funny leh ???? See ... ask me go seek lawyer's opinion ... u okie anot ?? Ask what ... pay hundred of dollars to ask, 'Sir, do i need to carry on this needless conversation with a fellow samster in SBF ???? What are the success rate of winning the debate ??? '

I seriously don't know what to talk to you leh ... think ha after this post ... I will stop commenting on your post ... " Well Water Don't Offence River Water " .... you go preached about asking people to approach lawyer while I share based on my experiences ... Good right ??? Dun WASTE both of our time commenting on each other ... You not tired, I read your posting I also tired ... You want to rest case ... we rest case .... hahahha ... Anyway, we got nothing in common to share about ....

BYE BYE okie .... You Good I Good .... hahahah ...