Good point. but i wasnt refering to the expenses involved in taking a girl out that is naturally quite a given that guys do pay. I do specifically mean the flowers such. Is it possible to get the attention of a HFJ girl without hanging flower?
Always remember y these girls r here in the 1st place. Make money.
Understand how they make money too.
Let me help in this area.
1) A singer in a HFJ makes money by going on stage to sing & customers hang flower. Before & after singing, she goes around tables to do her PR thingy to try to gain more flowers when she sings
2) A singer locks on a target to ensure she has continuous support from her customer/customers by having lunch, dinner, supper & sleeping with the customer/customers.
3) If she creates a void by not keeping her customer/customers entertained before and after working hours, how is she going to survive? She may still get some loose flowers but those can't really help her achieve her main reason for being here. $$$$$$$$$
Hope this helps
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Yes, when we go for ST w/ either FLs or GL gals, we just want to relax n enjoy...no point giving any gals PVO unless you want a long term RS. BTW, over 95% of these gals fake their orgasms, although there hv been some noteworthy exceptions.
Do you hv Linda's nude photo? I hv not even seen her in person.
Cheers!
Dear bro FA,
Well done! You're now quite a Casanova haha.
Too bad CZ has left SG, otherwise you could've fucked her regularly for very little. And if you give her regular PVO, watch out!
Like u, I hv had very little experience w/ singers.
IMHO, there r two approaches to getting singers. The big buck approach, by hanging lots of flowers at least initially, or various modifications of such approach, as practised by most customers, n your MO, the psychological approach, or shall I call the thinking man's strategic approach hahaha.
I remember you told me u went to DC once n CZ initially snubbed u. She didn't even look at u. But you were nonchalant, very relaxed n enjoyed urself w/ others. Do u know what CZ was thinking? This guy is a real man, he doesn't need me, he is unlike all the other customers who would surely be offended...later that nite, she came n became quite affectionate w/ u, right?
No, she has not fallen for u yet, but she is more attracted to u than all her other customers combined who had hung tens of thousands of dollars hahaha. BTW, the other singer is also attracted to u.
Pls keep in touch w/ CZ by Wechat n occasional phone calls. You could go to China n ask her to be ur tour guide for a wk or she could come to visit u in 6 months.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Dear Bro WB
Like you, I’m also a lao chee ko pek! Hahaha
I don’t see the point of hanging flowers actually. I mean, what do you get in return? So I always want to limit my spending.
Yes, CZ ignored me once, or maybe she was busy with another customer, I don’t know, but all I know is that I have to be cool and show her that I’m having a great time without her. And I did. That night, when she finally came over, she asked me to touch her hips and she even grab my hand to touch her hips/waist. If you portrait a needy image, then you are out. LOL
So in a way, its not how much flowers you hang. I guess, deep down inside these singers, they will think those men who hang a lot and get nothing in return are really stupid.
Good point. but i wasnt refering to the expenses involved in taking a girl out that is naturally quite a given that guys do pay. I do specifically mean the flowers such. Is it possible to get the attention of a HFJ girl without hanging flower?
Aiyoh, you go to HFJ and expect to get attention from the singers without hanging flowers? Can... if you look like Lee-Hom Wang, etc...
Like what Bro Do_You_BJ said, they are here for only 1 reason. Also, I've asked a gal to return as a singer which she rejected. She told me: "you think its so easy to be a singer? Who doesn't want to have $10K+ flowers every night? But the sacrifices are there" And I scolded her - come here find a bf who supports you financially also don't want, you siao ah!" Some guys cannot think straight and some gals also cannot think straight. Those who can will make money.
Recently, the Korean model who went out with me 3 nights in a row also hinted that she likes Chanel. But I ignored her lah. All these gals have a purpose lah. If its not cash, its in-kind. But I never give. She's coming again in next month - let's see if she will look for me again. LOL
Aiyoh, you go to HFJ and expect to get attention from the singers without hanging flowers? Can... if you look like Lee-Hom Wang, etc...
Like what Bro Do_You_BJ said, they are here for only 1 reason. Also, I've asked a gal to return as a singer which she rejected. She told me: "you think its so easy to be a singer? Who doesn't want to have $10K+ flowers every night? But the sacrifices are there" And I scolded her - come here find a bf who supports you financially also don't want, you siao ah!" Some guys cannot think straight and some gals also cannot think straight. Those who can will make money.
Recently, the Korean model who went out with me 3 nights in a row also hinted that she likes Chanel. But I ignored her lah. All these gals have a purpose lah. If its not cash, its in-kind. But I never give. She's coming again in next month - let's see if she will look for me again. LOL
Ok i got it. basically the answer is there is no way. BTW im curious. what does going out mean? does it imply a intimate physical relationship as well?
Ok i got it. basically the answer is there is no way. BTW im curious. what does going out mean? does it imply a intimate physical relationship as well?
I won't say no way. I'm just not there yet, LOL
Going out means going out like paktor, with her arms around mine.
Is she up-able, yes, from the way she answered certain questions, but I have not taken that step yet and so I do not know the cost involved.
What I’m saying is, you have to fun enough so that the gal actually enjoys your company and you, hers. You have to be very confident to be comfortable before you can start to enjoy each others company. Why would she want to drag you out every night? She has many friends in Singapore too but the fact that she picked you to spend every night in Singapore means you must have done something right. And no, I didn’t pay her for her company – only foot the bills for dinners, K-Box, and my own drinks (Wed nights are ladies night)..
I think the key point (about money) is spend wisely to get the most bang for the buck/mileage for your money spent... and most importantly to enjoy yourself
Yup - value for money is the deal. Spend wisely..but more importantly..getting her emotionally attached = be it through PVO or other means would be great. So that when she's happy she want you to be the first one to share her joy; when she's sad she want you to be the first one to give her a shoulder to cry on; and when she's angry she want you to be the first to calm her down and make her laugh...so that she cannot live without you ..because she need to share every single emotion with you..LOL
Yup - value for money is the deal. Spend wisely..but more importantly..getting her emotionally attached = be it through PVO or other means would be great. So that when she's happy she want you to be the first one to share her joy; when she's sad she want you to be the first one to give her a shoulder to cry on; and when she's angry she want you to be the first to calm her down and make her laugh...so that she cannot live without you ..because she need to share every single emotion with you..LOL
Not really picking up a ktv gal outside a ktv but actually went to a ktv n got this viet sat wif me. Found out she earned abt $2k sing, n she dun other stuffs unless she likes the person. Sometimes I just jokingly said haven't tried sex on beach n she volunteer to do it. However the thing is she gets angry when I go other ktv or go out wif other ktv gals. Dun like her dominating figure so just thought of ways to make her tulan me n let go. I just don't have the guts to let her fall deeper into "she is not my gf but act like wife" relationship. I also scare she will get berserk one day if I leave her.
So wonder how to let gal know this is just "companionship".
QUOTE=newbieboy;9589090]enlightening as always bro [/QUOTE]
Dear bro newbieboy.
Actually, you're the enlightened one! I hv learned so much from a young man like u. Remember our discussion on true love?
Best,
Bro WB
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Originally Posted by Weremonkey
Dear Bro WB
Thanks for the reply. There is no menace in my questions and i hope there is no offence. Im asking in a purely academic point of view. Im truely impressed by transforming a what has been percieved to be an art and breaking it down into a science.
lets assume we are talking about a pure player prespective. No dollar involvement. So not talking about BY etc. My assumption is that it will be next to impossible for a person whose financial output is next to nothing. to have almost a next to nothing chance of getting anywhere.
any advise on overcoming this?
Dear bro Weremonkey,
I really enjoy answering ur questions.
Getting ur dream girl sexually n emotionally addicted to u is most gratifying, especially if she had rejected u repeatedly in the past n u thought somehow she was "out of ur league," hahaha.
What do u mean by "financial output is next to nothing"? Very, very low income or no income?
To hv long term successful RS w/ women, a man needs to hv confidence, masculinity, ability to make women feel safe n secure, character n emotional control/self mastery. Of course his ability to give them PVO is a prerequisite. If u hv the above MANLY qualities, women will be very attracted to you. And those same attributes will make u financially secure, it's a matter of time bro. So cultivate those attributes n be patient n persistent.
Cheers!
Bro WB
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Originally Posted by fallen.angel
hmm… if you don’t give anything, how do you expect to get anything in return? A player who doesn’t pay $? Maybe not at my level. But even if you date a gal or your gf, you need to spend some money ya?
For the past 2 nights, I have been going out with a Korean model who is also a travel and food presenter. Nope, I didn’t picked her up at Embassy. She’s been here before and she is here again on holiday and we have been having dinners, drinks, clubbing and KTV (K-Box) and I’m meeting her again tonight before she flys back........................................
What I’m saying is, you have to fun enough so that the gal actually enjoys your company and you, hers. You have to be very confident to be comfortable before you can start to enjoy each others company...............................
I think the key point (about money) is spend wisely to get the most bang for the buck/mileage for your money spent... and most importantly to enjoy yourself
Dear bro FA,
I couldn't agree w/ u more.
A man should be a provider n protector of his women.
Enjoy urself bro...
Cheers!
Bro WB
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Originally Posted by Weremonkey
Good point. but i wasnt refering to the expenses involved in taking a girl out that is naturally quite a given that guys do pay. I do specifically mean the flowers such. Is it possible to get the attention of a HFJ girl without hanging flower?
Dear bro Weremonkey,
Possible but quite difficult, and it will take time and effort.
Try to connect w/ her outside n far away from KTV/HFJ.
If she tells u that she is on visitor pass, student visa or WP, it's great news, play along w/ her...
If she says she is a singer at XYZ HFJ n asks u to see her there, act blur n say you never go such places. Get her ctc no n Wechat.
What u do next depends on how much you like her.
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ
Always remember y these girls r here in the 1st place. Make money.
Understand how they make money too.
Let me help in this area.
1) A singer in a HFJ makes money by going on stage to sing & customers hang flower. Before & after singing, she goes around tables to do her PR thingy to try to gain more flowers when she sings
2) A singer locks on a target to ensure she has continuous support from her customer/customers by having lunch, dinner, supper & sleeping with the customer/customers.
3) If she creates a void by not keeping her customer/customers entertained before and after working hours, how is she going to survive? She may still get some loose flowers but those can't really help her achieve her main reason for being here. $$$$$$$$$
Hope this helps
Dear Mr Chairman,
Tks for the info. Of course all singers r here to make as much money as possible. Most of them need to find at least one strong supporter/lao gong/BF/patron to provide for their basic needs including monthly flowers, etc.
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Originally Posted by fallen.angel
Dear Bro WB
Like you, I’m also a lao chee ko pek! Hahaha
I don’t see the point of hanging flowers actually. I mean, what do you get in return? So I always want to limit my spending.
Yes, CZ ignored me once, or maybe she was busy with another customer, I don’t know, but all I know is that I have to be cool and show her that I’m having a great time without her. And I did. That night, when she finally came over, she asked me to touch her hips and she even grab my hand to touch her hips/waist. If you portrait a needy image, then you are out. LOL
So in a way, its not how much flowers you hang. I guess, deep down inside these singers, they will think those men who hang a lot and get nothing in return are really stupid.
Anyways, yeah, we still keep in touch via wechat.
Dear bro FA,
You're no lao chee ko pek. You're a tall, young n handsome man compared w/ me haha. And you're such a romantic gentleman whereas I'm Mode One, so blunt n direct...it saves time though.
Remember the pretty n sexy MILF we met next to the stage at LV 5th FL on 29 Jan? To make a long story short, she said no to ST, so I BY-ed her. Yes, just like that. I didn't even book her that night.
Singer CZ was highly attracted to you. You exhibited "don't give a damn" attitude. You wanted (to fuck) her, but u didn't need her.
Cheers!
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Originally Posted by fallen.angel
Aiyoh, you go to HFJ and expect to get attention from the singers without hanging flowers? Can... if you look like Lee-Hom Wang, etc...
Like what Bro Do_You_BJ said, they are here for only 1 reason.............
Recently, the Korean model who went out with me 3 nights in a row also hinted that she likes Chanel. But I ignored her lah. All these gals have a purpose lah. If its not cash, its in-kind. But I never give. She's coming again in next month - let's see if she will look for me again. LOL
Dear bro FA,
No use even if he looks like 潘安。。。
A Chanel handbag? It's 5-7K at least. Tell her u will take care of her AFTER she has become ur woman haha.
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Originally Posted by Weremonkey
Ok i got it. basically the answer is there is no way. BTW im curious. what does going out mean? does it imply a intimate physical relationship as well?
Bro, pls see my previous post. Be Mode One. You need to hv very thick skin n enjoy repeated rejections.
There is one other way. Become her 小狼狗 and she will pay u!
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Originally Posted by fallen.angel
I won't say no way. I'm just not there yet, LOL
Going out means going out like paktor, with her arms around mine.
Is she up-able, yes, from the way she answered certain questions, but I have not taken that step yet and so I do not know the cost involved.
I gather that the Korean model is a non-WL. Never ask for sex. Just make love to her. Buy the bag after she has become ur woman.
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Originally Posted by saabking
Yup - value for money is the deal. Spend wisely..but more importantly..getting her emotionally attached = be it through PVO or other means would be great. So that when she's happy she want you to be the first one to share her joy; when she's sad she want you to be the first one to give her a shoulder to cry on; and when she's angry she want you to be the first to calm her down and make her laugh...so that she cannot live without you ..because she need to share every single emotion with you..LOL
Dear bro saabking,
You're talking abt a gal who is emotionally addicted to a man. Hopefully she is also sexually addicted to him.
IMHO, a gal can be emotionally addicted to man w/o being sexually addicted, but if she is sexually addicted, she will also be emotionally addicted hahaha. Such is the power of sexual addiction.
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Originally Posted by SocialCircle
Not really picking up a ktv gal outside a ktv but actually went to a ktv n got this viet sat wif me. Found out she earned abt $2k sing, n she dun other stuffs unless she likes the person. Sometimes I just jokingly said haven't tried sex on beach n she volunteer to do it. However the thing is she gets angry when I go other ktv or go out wif other ktv gals. Dun like her dominating figure so just thought of ways to make her tulan me n let go. I just don't have the guts to let her fall deeper into "she is not my gf but act like wife" relationship. I also scare she will get berserk one day if I leave her.
So wonder how to let gal know this is just "companionship".
Hi bro SocialCircle,
Pls tell us ur RS w/ the Viet gal. Hv u had sex w/ her? Hv you given her PVO?
Pls tell us ur RS w/ the Viet gal. Hv u had sex w/ her? Hv you given her PVO?
Cheers!
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Hi bro Warbird,
I didn't have sex wif her. Just frenching nia. She emphasizes she like me not love. She ask me she beautiful or sexy n I say sexy n she disappointed n tell me she want me to answer she beautiful. Dun know wat psychological test she conducting.
bro SocialCircle,
You should also try to play your mind game onto her, keep it fun, dun let it be one way street but also be confident and flirt around like give attention to other gals in the joint, see how she reacts.
Anyway, you're there to have fun, not to play their game, but get them to play yours.
If she says she is a singer at XYZ HFJ n asks u to see her there, act blur n say you never go such places. Get her ctc no n Wechat.
I couldnt agree more. I always try to distance myself from the whole scene. eg. with thai girls i do not speak in thai with them. Its is a big flashing Danger warning sign to them that the guys is a potential player. But it helps that i actually dont know how to speak the language
Hi bro Warbird,
I didn't have sex wif her. Just frenching nia. She emphasizes she like me not love. She ask me she beautiful or sexy n I say sexy n she disappointed n tell me she want me to answer she beautiful. Dun know wat psychological test she conducting.
Dear bro SocialCircle,
Just make love to her.
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Originally Posted by NotMyRealName
bro SocialCircle,
You should also try to play your mind game onto her, keep it fun, dun let it be one way street but also be confident and flirt around like give attention to other gals in the joint, see how she reacts.
Anyway, you're there to have fun, not to play their game, but get them to play yours.
Dear bro NMRN,
Good advice. Take the initiative. Lead her...
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Originally Posted by Weremonkey
Hi Guys Really appreicate your replies and feedback.
You're most welcome!
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Originally Posted by Weremonkey
Hi Bro WB with regards to your point.
If she says she is a singer at XYZ HFJ n asks u to see her there, act blur n say you never go such places. Get her ctc no n Wechat.
I couldnt agree more. I always try to distance myself from the whole scene. eg. with thai girls i do not speak in thai with them. Its is a big flashing Danger warning sign to them that the guys is a potential player. But it helps that i actually dont know how to speak the language
Dear bro WMK,
You're doing well.
BTW, I hv seen many tall, beautiful, sexy n fair Thai gals in Bangkok n Changmai, but not in SG.
Likewise, thousands of very pretty SYTs r waiting for us in China. I hv made ctc w/ dozens of them, but very very few r willing to come to SG. They want to be ST-ed or BY-ed over there.
It's sad that we SG men don't even hv the chance to taste prime meat or abalone here. It's sadder that we often fight over scraps...
Likewise, thousands of very pretty SYTs r waiting for us in China. I hv made ctc w/ dozens of them, but very very few r willing to come to SG. They want to be ST-ed or BY-ed over there.
wah..thousand? can intro a couple? what is the going market rate for BY? Thanks in advance
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