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[erobaka]

Originally Posted by Confusius

2) AGG Bars
Again, understand girls will sit with you, talk play games ask for LDs.
Same process as most S'pore Thai Disco, except S'pore TD has Hang Flower concept. Seems the ideal itinerary is to get high at AGG bars and end the night with Thermae.

this is the 1st time i see people taking AGG bar concept compare with our sillypore siam diu diao hui concept lol...LDs vs. FlowerS

[fiddler3343]

Originally Posted by Confusius

Yes, only 2 pax.

G-Clubs tabao 5K B for ST?
Whats the expectation for LT? 2 shots or 3 shots (2 night, 1 morning)?

Not sure of hourly rate sounds good.
That means either u r not paying for it or rich enough it doesn't matter to you. lol!

Is it market practice there to pay after deed?

G-club is in fact quite expensive, just to let u know.

For roughly a group of 7-8, damage is around 400-500 SGD per pax, not including tabao (not really sure exactly how much), membership with i think 6-7 bottles.

And with regards to expectations for LT, dun expect much.

They can sweet talk you or whatever just to earn the sitting fees,
end up only 1 shot.

Then later cook up excuses to leave early

If I remember correctly, the membership is around 1k SGD with 6-7 bottles

If money is an issue to you and you still wanna build rapport, i suggest u go to AGGs.
(Though I've never been to AGGs before)

Personally, if i want to go and enjoy, i wouldn't mind spending, as long as it's within limits.

[shaggy999]

Originally Posted by fiddler3343

G-club is in fact quite expensive, just to let u know.

For roughly a group of 7-8, damage is around 400-500 SGD per pax, not including tabao (not really sure exactly how much), membership with i think 6-7 bottles.

And with regards to expectations for LT, dun expect much.

They can sweet talk you or whatever just to earn the sitting fees,
end up only 1 shot.

Then later cook up excuses to leave early

If I remember correctly, the membership is around 1k SGD with 6-7 bottles

If money is an issue to you and you still wanna build rapport, i suggest u go to AGGs.
(Though I've never been to AGGs before)

Personally, if i want to go and enjoy, i wouldn't mind spending, as long as it's within limits.

Totally agreed. In bkk, there are so many different types of entertainment with different prices. I like g clubs, but when I was in my 20s, it was hard to afford, but still gotta pay. Lucky for me, I have a couple of like minded friends who will go together and share the cost. I also go my own fair share of agg bars , scb, nana, I do patronize them . It's just that if I go to bkk for 5 days 4 nights and I know this time round I want to go to g club, I will open the membership, and every night I will be there finish the bottles. For me, day time is spent recovering in hotel rooms (I walk all the night market and chatuchak many times already) , or try to Jio the girls I know from the g club to go out in the day. Normally they will go with you to entertain you.night time, I'll go party,enjoy the band, whack the drinks, talk to the girls. G clubs are not really for people who wants to sextisfy themselves; there's so many f&@k shops in bkk and there are the places to go to let off your urges. As what the bro above mentioned, spend within the limits. Most important thing in g clubs, is to be always aware of the expenses. Pay what is due, don't be chopped by them. It's important to have a good mamasan. I've had bad ones and good ones. The bad ones just put more drink s into the bill, thinking that I don't know how it works. The good ones, they are very transparent, and some of them let me extent my whiskey expiry date. Very good service.

[rtlfy]

I only go to value for money soapy and oilies, coz I'm a bit stingy haha. That being said, I have splurged 400USD on an American pornstar before, but to me that was good value haha.

For soapies, Alaina to me has the best bang for the buck of soapies, but hit or miss depending on girl. Can expect to fork out 2.3k to 2.8k THB, the 2k ones usually suck (looks, not mouth hehe)

Oilies are the best value, Pink from Honeybee and Ninja from Snow White are good. I heard Ninja put on some weight though.

One thing I want to try is public BJ / FJ. I heard some bars in TH are good, but will appreciate any recommendations to try that. The more public, the better hehe.

[davvvid]

Originally Posted by Confusius

2) AGG Bars
Again, understand girls will sit with you, talk play games ask for LDs.
Same process as most S'pore Thai Disco, except S'pore TD has Hang Flower concept. Seems the ideal itinerary is to get high at AGG bars and end the night with Thermae.

a) Any recommendation for AGG bars should I look at for raba action and good service culture?
b) To what extend is the action (can finger girl)
c) how to tell a AGG from a Coyote girl?

3) Soapy Massage
Again, looking for good service culture and facilities.
Read alot about Lord being over priced.
a) Any place to recommend?
b) what the expected rate range?

Do correct me if any of the above info are wrong.
Sorry for the noob qns.
Thanks in advance for your advice.

Will answer all except the G-Club questions as it is not my style of entertainment and so don't know much about it either. I feel its a waste of money for what they provide but that is just my own opinion.

2) AGG Bars
Again, understand girls will sit with you, talk play games ask for LDs.
Same process as most S'pore Thai Disco, except S'pore TD has Hang Flower concept. Seems the ideal itinerary is to get high at AGG bars and end the night with Thermae.

The girls will come sit with you if you call them down. Expect to buy at least 1 LD for her and if you want her to stay longer, buy her more LDs of course. Dont compare SG thai discos to gogo bars because it is simply not the same. The process is not the same. In SG TD, the girls only have 1 job, for you to buy them drinks, hang flower. In gogo bars, the girls want you to buy her drinks, as well as to barfine her. Lets say you meet a stunner in a gogo bar, and buy her drinks and what not, in the end dont barfine her, and then head to thermae but dont see any good looking ones and immediately regret not barfining the stunner from before. Whats the point of enjoying the company of a stunner if in the end, you wont bring her back to your hotel?

a) Any recommendation for AGG bars should I look at for raba action and good service culture?

Look for the bars which naked/topless girls. These bars have more opportunity to play around with the girls. Bars such as Crazy House, Twister, Billboard.

b) To what extend is the action (can finger girl)

Depends on your chemistry with the girl, how good looking you are, how many drinks you have bought her. I have fingered a girl and gotten a HJ from a girl from billboard before

c) how to tell a AGG from a Coyote girl?

They will usually wear slightly different outfits. The gogo girls will wear more revealing outfits. Also, if shes topless/naked, shes a gogo girl.

3) Soapy Massage
Again, looking for good service culture and facilities.
Read alot about Lord being over priced.
a) Any place to recommend?

I often head to hi class massage and merci. Decent quality of girls with the service for most of these places is standard.

b) what the expected rate range?

In hi class, it ranges from 1.7k to 2.5k. I have actually seen a looker in the 1.7k range and I asked why she was so cheap and it was because she had darker skin. In merci it ranges from 2k to 2.8k. Took a 22 year old girl from chiang mai last time at merci for 2.8k. Beautiful white skin and silicone free body!

This whole service culture thing is not dependent on the establishment and it is only dependent on the girl itself. You could walk into a bar, barfine a girl and end up with having a wonderful time with her due to great 'service culture', but then another guy goes into the same bar, barfines a different girl, or even the exact same girl and then has a shit time. It all depends on the chemistry, the attraction as well as of course, the money. All girls will be different. They dont treat all the guys/customers the same way.

[Bangc0ck]

I heard G-club, the pimp there is one party room that you can open, 10 bottles with membership. Inside the room can be quite hiong one, can nego with the girl in the room to bbbj, fj everything up to the girl.

[fiddler3343]

Originally Posted by Bangc0ck

I heard G-club, the pimp there is one party room that you can open, 10 bottles with membership. Inside the room can be quite hiong one, can nego with the girl in the room to bbbj, fj everything up to the girl.

I know there are 2 special/larger rooms in the pimp.

One has a shower in the middle of the room i think (never been in there before, seems like need to make advance bookings or maybe reserved for vips)

The other has a pool table in it.

[GoWhere]

Originally Posted by davvvid

a) Any recommendation for AGG bars should I look at for raba action and good service culture?

Look for the bars which naked/topless girls. These bars have more opportunity to play around with the girls. Bars such as Crazy House, Twister, Billboard.

interesting recommendations you have bro. however I won't put Twister at the same level as it's more of a coyote bar.
agogo bar would be rainbow chains & baccara(soi cowboy).

like ur POV & honest CONTRIBUTIONS ~ up u 5pts.

[vbkk]

Originally Posted by lost99

Why is it funny? A scam is a scam is a scam correct? no matter how big or small or deceptive. Dishonesty is all the same in my book.

There's a difference in scams at Patpong Level 2 scam bars from the rest of the coyote bars. U are promised the price of only 1drink but end up harrassed to pay a certain sum before u leave. In coyote bars, u pay what u ordered. Noone can force u to pay what u did not ordered. I will come to the bill padding part later.

Originally Posted by lost99

If you read the above quotes, yes, many tourists have been scammed in Coyote bars, with 'bill padding' and thinking they can barfine the Coyote only to be dissapoint. If the bars care more about customer service, they should tell the customer this, but they don't. You blame the customer for not asking, but if you walk into a restaurant and order a coke and get charged $300 baht, is it your fault for not 'asking' the price of a Coke? There's a fine line between reasonable customer expectations and a scam, and for me Coyote bars cross that line.

"bill padding"! Or should i say the customer is too high and horny to notice that someone puts bill into the container without realising? Are u the type who gets too horny watching girls dancing and keep no track/eyes off the container/drinks on your table? So someone could just simply walk past and drop a "E" into your drink without your knowledge either.I have already said coyotes have the "freedom" to select going with customers. Same as baccara. Some girls only go ST. Is that any announcement on the bar( baccara ) saying that?

Originally Posted by lost99

There is no obligation for bars to put up a sign explaining anything. In fact, it seems like you put the onus entirely on the customer to research everything and take full responsibility, while the bar takes no responsiblity. A restaurant does not need to put prices on their menu, its their choice to be honest and forthingcoming if they want. But ones that do not and proceed to overcharge customer is a deceptive practice. Do you blame the restaurant in this case, or the customer for not asking? Whatever your view, any restaurant that have this kind of additude and business practice is a scam in my books.

If u ordered something without a price on the menu, u should just asked how much is it. So far all the prices are stated for all coyote bars i had entered. So if u fucked and got HIV,will u be blaming the condom company instead? u are really funny.

Originally Posted by lost99

There is a difference between 'available' and 'forced'. Coyote girls are typically not available, but are marketed in a way to appear that they are. None of your arugments address this core deceptive issue. You keep arguing peripheral points which don't address the core deceptive practice of Coyote bars. This has nothing to do with China KTV, money or spending.

I like to know how many coyote bars u had stepped into in the years of cheonging of bangkok. Who ( which smart alec ) told u that coyote girl are typically not available? 90% of my girls as well as most coyotes i know are available for booking.

Originally Posted by lost99

You get 100% in the short term, but in the Long-term, if no customers in Coyote bars, surely your business will be affected and you will lose profits from bars booking your ladies. How can you even argue you aren't financially motivated to support Coyote Bars? I'm sorry this is the worst argument you have made.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but even a bar without customers will still want to have plenty of coyotes to go work/dance, because the smart owners know that without coyotes/girls, there wont be a single customer entering the bar.

Originally Posted by lost99

Because this is not SG where only the PAP can produce their propaganda and silence and drown the general public with their narrow views, and tell the people how they should think. So far only you seem to praise Coyote Bars, but you are obviously biased to do so. Those Farangs/Japs that visit SC/NP, do they go there looking for Coyotes or Gogo dancers? do they visit the Coyote bars by mistake thinking they are gogo bars where you can barfine? Obviously they visit famous places like Baccarra but this is a Gogo Bar not Coyote. This is why i am interested in hearing other opinions that are not biased. You seem to confuse the popularity of Gogo places like Baccarra with pure Coyote Bars... which i don't hear similar praise and popularity.

I think u should make a trip down to SC/Nana and take a look at the sheer crowd of farangs/japs enjoying themselves in the coyote bars. Instead of talking like this. Those who frequents coyotes bars will know the number of "willing" customers there night after night.

Originally Posted by lost99

Why do you keep confusing Bacarra and Coyote Bar? Bacarra is clearly a Gogo bar where you can barfine any girl there. The issue is not how popular/expensive Baccara is. The issue I have is the depceptive practice of Coyote's and Coyote Bars like the Arab bars. All your response have failed to address this clearly.

I'm confused? The amount of time/days i clocked my mileage patronising all the coyote bars/agogo bars probably surpassed anyone here.

Originally Posted by lost99

Again, the issue is not Agogo bars, and you seem to confuse their business practices and that of Coyote Bars such as Arab bars. My complaint is the Coyote bars deceptively 'blur' the options of different girls, and deliberately do a bad job of advising the customer to make more profits. Your arugments seem to blame the customer for not clearly 'asking'. If this is your business model i feel bad for you, in my business i clearly tell my customer all my charges and fees so they are not upset or disappointed and they come back as repeat customer. Maybe this is the reason local Thais are not allowed in Coyote bars because they would be upset with this dishonestly and cause a scene in the bar - I can't think of any other industry that would discriminate against their own people in their own country! Personally, I never blame my customers in my business for not asking things, i consider it my job to be honest and put their satisfaction first.

Ohh really, thais are not allowed at many places. For example, at thaniya ktvs as well. So that's a scam place for u also? Do u even know the culture or anything here? u are really making a joke out of urself. Share with u this info, reason why thais are often not allowed at such joints due to the fact they do not want them to go inside and end up beating up their thai gfs making "things" they are not supposed to. Obviously u really know nothing and just making false statements.

Originally Posted by lost99

VBKK, there is no point continuing this argument with you, and i will stop now because you feel strong and stubborn on this issue, and confuse the argument with other issues that don't address the core issue i have described. This is why i wish to hear the views of others to see what they think, but you don't t that is necessary. Again, i think it is very revealing that not a single other person here say they like the infestation of Coyotes, while many other bros clearly dislike it. Just because SC has evolved to this style does not mean that its what the people like/want.

Yup, i feel u should make a trip down to bangkok and take a look at how these "deceitful" coyote bars are doing. How customers are spending as a happy customer instead of a grumbling customer.

[erobaka]

Originally Posted by rtlfy

Oilies are the best value, Pink from Honeybee and Ninja from Snow White are good. I heard Ninja put on some weight though.

bro rtlfy, is Honeybee also a 2 shot oilies place? I only know snow white and mango are 2 shot places

[vbkk]

Originally Posted by 0898

Simple really other girls saw these coyotes and were "well I'ma coyote to"...services the offer don't change just their attitude and price tag. Most "coyotes" you see these days in nana/cowboy would have been regular gogo girls 3 or 4 years ago...the genuinely attractive girls won't work in those areas and that hasn't changed.

So yeah it is just a way of inflating prices, maybe not a scam but preying on people who don't know better...it's no coincidence that the bars VBKK listed that don't have these pretend coyotes...Baccara, Rainbow etc are by far the busiest and best regarded whilst the likes of Sahara, Rio and Midnight are empty shells.

I have no problem with the genuine hostess concept, in fact I prefer it (gogo quality is generally appalling) but if you're going to do that you may as well do it with some quality in places like Monte Carlo, Villa, Aladdin etc. not try to pretend to be a baller in some dump on soi cowboy.

Most coyotes are the newer girls and younger. The ones who used to work in agogo ( aka used to ST/LT ) would not choose to work as a coyote. Why?

Because higher barfines. Customers would be more reluctant to BF u. Why bother to convert to coyote when u are so used to earning 3k/5k when the drinks comm is the same for both? Salary for the month is only 40% more than agogo. Most agogo girls forgo their monthly salary and comes late for work as its only 10k baht a month before deducting late.

U can definitely go g clubs for some quality coyotes. But how many really can afford that? Except for 3rd tiers g clubs, most membership starts with 20k excluding sitting charges etc. Given a choice, would u pay a 200baht lady drink for a coyote at SC/nana or pay 20,000baht +++ to experience that? Not everyone can afford g clubs especially for those just going for 1 night.

Originally Posted by naemlo

Years ago, there are less so called "coyote" in AGG bars.... to me, why should there be coyote when I can get any ger I fancy to sit and have a drink in the AGG bar?

I just hate it when I am in a AGG bar and a coyote comes n bothers me cause she either costs a premium price or gives excuse, she can't be bf... to me it defeats the purpose of AGG.

1 of the reason for AGG bars to get coyote gers simply, there is not enough gers in the bar. Thus getting a 3rd party to bring in gers and letting the agent manages these troublesome gers are easier.

Again this is a forum, this is virtual world, why bother who is doing what. Isn't this forum for fun and entertainment. Happy just post, unhappy just ignore.


"Coyote" is like "Model" where these gers want to brand themselves as premium. A lot of ugly coyotes in AGG and same as a lot ugly models mingling in MPs and G-clubs.

U can buy any drinks for anyone inside the bar. From the girls to waitress,mamasan and even the bartender. But how many of u experience this. Buying a drink for a gogo girl and more often than not, they are mostly only interested in ST/LT? Especially in baccara where they disappear less than 5mins after their drink if u dun BF them? They rather go engage a customer willing to give them 3K instead of drinking themselves silly for 60baht a tequila.

Yes there's alot of ugly coyotes out there as well. Thats how thai agents work. Just push quantity over quality. That is why owners really hate such agents who supply ugly fat coyotes.

Originally Posted by Allanooi

Bangkok is a place where different funs catered to different tastes and pockets is not one size fit all... u can go coyote bars, u can go soapy , u can go g club, u can Cheong disco get freelance the feelings at each of these places are different there are no way to measure if it worth the baht... ultimately is what u want and what u can afford... before u make a choice u have to do homework if reading forums doesn't help go there and ask for pricing and systems u decide if u want to stay and play ..

Bangkok is not a place cut out as outright price transparent u must tread with care if u blur blur enjoy and check bill and don't get a pussy to fuck is not a scam is a sense of own mistake for not asking about price and system. Maybe some old timers Cheongsters who based in Thailand or regularly go Bangkok will hold ur hand to guide u that is the best insurance u can get to navigate Bangkok complexity of funs but I gathered u must know what u want to get and what budget u have otherwise u end up walking in merry go round and go back pcc in Bangkok hotel and a night of drinking can cost 4-5k baht lesser from ur pocket and no pussy to hood..

Fine advice coming from a veteran cheongster of coyote bars of bangkok.

[lost99]

Originally Posted by TonyCheong2

But what I have a problem is some people because of vested interest keep defending about certain aspects and spin a bunch of wonderful stories to announce to the whole world to justify.
And when other people have differing views he try his best to shoot it down.
I still haven't even talk about how he want to sabo me yet.

Who is this person you are talking about? with vested interest and always defending certain aspect, and shoot anyone down with different view? I don't see anyone so immature here

Originally Posted by naemlo

Years ago, there are less so called "coyote" in AGG bars.... to me, why should there be coyote when I can get any ger I fancy to sit and have a drink in the AGG bar?

I just hate it when I am in a AGG bar and a coyote comes n bothers me cause she either costs a premium price or gives excuse, she can't be bf... to me it defeats the purpose of AGG.

1 of the reason for AGG bars to get coyote gers simply, there is not enough gers in the bar. Thus getting a 3rd party to bring in gers and letting the agent manages these troublesome gers are easier.

Again this is a forum, this is virtual world, why bother who is doing what. Isn't this forum for fun and entertainment. Happy just post, unhappy just ignore.

"Coyote" is like "Model" where these gers want to brand themselves as premium. A lot of ugly coyotes in AGG and same as a lot ugly models mingling in MPs and G-clubs.

Premium service but business is bad, must think of add on to enhance the service. Thus now I have a LB with 15 inches dick. This is super add on.

Agree, Coyote in AGG bar just defeats the purpose. Am i allowed to have my own opinion here without any 'so called expert' shooting it down right away with one sided excuses?

[vbkk]

Originally Posted by shaggy999

Aladdin....


Just sian that I gotta go back to reality tmr

Not to mention u could extend your "fun" after Aladdin close and go "next door" to party until 6am with your bottles/girls

Originally Posted by Bangc0ck

I heard G-club, the pimp there is one party room that you can open, 10 bottles with membership. Inside the room can be quite hiong one, can nego with the girl in the room to bbbj, fj everything up to the girl.

U cant do anything like in the past already ever since the army set regulations in May 2016. Most customers will buyout the girl and bring back to their hotel.

Originally Posted by fiddler3343

I know there are 2 special/larger rooms in the pimp.

One has a shower in the middle of the room i think (never been in there before, seems like need to make advance bookings or maybe reserved for vips)

The other has a pool table in it.

If u have a group of 8-10s coming, or if u have the $$ to book it, u can stay in the "party room" alone with 8-10 girls instead.

Originally Posted by GoWhere

interesting recommendations you have bro. however I won't put Twister at the same level as it's more of a coyote bar.
agogo bar would be rainbow chains & baccara(soi cowboy).

like ur POV & honest CONTRIBUTIONS ~ up u 5pts.

Twister is a coyote bar and they have topless girls as "coyotes" as well. It's opened by some police so ...

Someone expert already.

[vbkk]

Originally Posted by lost99

Agree, Coyote in AGG bar just defeats the purpose. Am i allowed to have my own opinion here without any 'so called expert' shooting it down right away with one sided excuses?

Yup,perhaps u can offer your expertise and hold a AGM for the owners and propose that to them instead? There's more than 30 bars at SC alone. Maybe u can propose something better instead?

Well, at least i dun go saying that thais are not allowed in bars because they might make a scene. They are not allowed in the bars for a reason. I dun call myself a expert over the past 2 years, many had appreciated for the fact I shared many insights/knowledge from the other side of the scene instead of from a consumer.

Like it or not, outcome here does not affect the slightest at SC/Nana. Because as much as many here might hate it, there's tons of tourists patronising the coyote bars as we speak. If there's really no demand for such entertainment,I believe the bar owners will not follow the trend and pick up coyote concept one after another. Scam or not scam, I often see the tourist police doing nothing on both sides of the end at SC/Nana. If the customers were really unhappy, I believe they would be very busy. And also, probably there's AGM between the owners/agents at the thong lor police station.

Let's just leave it to the ones reading it to decide whether they wish to patronise coyote bars or not. Its aint really yours or mine problem to begin with.

[lost99]

Originally Posted by GoWhere

I won't put Twister at the same level as it's more of a coyote bar.
agogo bar would be rainbow chains & baccara(soi cowboy).

Glad u understand difference between a Coyote bar and gogo bar.
Some 'so called expert' coyote agents here don't understand that difference, and conflate the popularity of agogo bar (Baccara) to that of Coyote Bar (Arab bars). I believe these coyote bars feed off this confusion to steal customers looking to goto gogo bars....but of course thats my opinion which apparently not allowed here by 'so called expert' coyote agent/bar owner who will bully his opinion on you because he's been to Coyote bar more than all of us no conflict of interest here right

By the way, one reason i avoid Coyote bar such as Arab bar is because there is a long history of bill padding and false charges. if you don't believe read this article:

“I know better than to go into an Arab-owned bar in Soi Cowboy. I’ve been (grossly) overcharged two times and I have vowed never to set foot in one of his bars again. Against my better judgment, I went into Midnite last week with an out-of-town friend .... they essentially doubled the total with phony chits. I was floored by the aggressive, blatant attempt to overcharge us. ....During the conversation, 5 Thai bouncers appeared and surrounded us. ....Moral of the story? Don’t EVER set foot in an Arab-owned bar again..... Bill padding scams are legendary in Angeles City bars in the Philippines, but are now, from the reports we’re hearing, becoming more common on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok.
http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=3770

Of course 'so called expert' will say its not a scam and the customer's fault for not asking charges, or letting someone slip checks into your cup. I guess this is the additude and culture of these Coyote bars...blame the customer. What used to happen to 'the customer is always right"?