How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her

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Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Hell YES!
Not at times but all the time.
But do not feel inhuman, cos you're just reciprocating what you get.
If you play this long, you'll learn to tango wif them......

感情计
同情计
希望计

It will most definitely start from one of the above
Like i always say, to catch a thief, you gotta be a bigger thief
To catch a ghost like WLs, you better be a DEVIL!
Else sure die jialat jialat

Bro DYBJ, I like your last quote. You must be really one step quicker/above them to be able to conquer them.

Originally Posted by colins

Things you do and see define who you are. What you deem as inhumane may not be the same as me, as with anyone else.....

If you can't cross into an area you deem as inhumane, then you remain 'human' lo. Its all what you have in your borders what. Firstly you never see what they are capable of doing, how can you justify your actions to your conscience? If you never kenna KC, how do you know what you're doing to another?

Again it depends on your generalisation of WLs. People keep saying do not generalise, there are difference in the haystack. Such people give views like 'she is different from the rest'. Hell yeah. You wanna know what is inhuman? Get out to the world and see it as it is.

Bro colins, your post sound so familiar.

I have heard stories how they scam and decieve men of their money/CPF. Marry just for PR status. I told myself to be careful. However, I have never experience their KC skills before. That time, I must be having problem with my gf that i let my guard down. Also, I am not a seasoned cheongster.

I met a PRC WL this year, had a wonderful time with her. Didn't know they wet easily. Genuine moan as if making love to your gf. Everything clicked. I do not want to generalise WL, thus giving her the benefit of doubt. We spoke about everything. She told me her lives back home. Her sad moments. Why she want to come to Singapore to be a WL to earn money. A lame excuse, just to repay her relative for the loan she use to buy a flat instead of going for a bank loan. She feel more pressured to return her relative than the bank. However, I didn't probe further.

I didn't tell her much my side to be on my guard. Still, my emotion weakens myself. 'she is different from the rest', quote from Bro colins repeated itself in my mind. Maybe it is her age that she want to settle down already. She has friends who married to Singapore man and think that Singapore man are better in terms of 'tender loving care'. Better living in Singapore. Well, she didn't say the exact words, but from the numerous chat with her, can feel all that. Oh, she mention that she missed out marrying her first bf because of her parents. She can't moved far away to her bf province. But, this time round, even marrying to Singapore should not be a problem. Cause her parents felt letting her down. (Some longer stories behind.)

I was feeling sad because of the dilemma. Problem with gf(some quarrels lor). My emotions was falling for the WL. But I was unable to give up my gf for someone i barely know for 2 months. And my gf did nothing wrong. I had a talk with my Brother (related brother lah). He talk some sense into me. I felt alot better after that. Seems like my head took a good knock.

The WL was quite emotional too. There was once I did not pick up her call as i was with gf. When i return her call that night, she cried. She was feeling sad the whole day as she can guess who i was with. We chatted and decided to get our emotions corrected. 2 days later, she sms me to go have a walk with her. Normally, I would straight away drive my bro car down to meet her. That night, I harden my feelings and told her that I'm sleeping already. No news from her there after. A few days later i sms her some help that i had done for her. She thanked me. Then another sms followed, “你是？” Well, all is clear now.

Me, “没关系，不重要了。”
WL,“可以打电话吗？”
Me, “不必了，没关系。”

Subsequently her calls and sms was ignored for that day. I thought that was the end. In the end she guessed who am I, and try to call me, sms me. All was ignored. These goes on for about a week. She sms me an inspirational sms about friends. That was ignored too. Her last sms came saying that I did not even give her a chance to be friend. “好残忍呀”。

Well I should have at least reply her to give her a piece of my mind. In the first place, she is the one who deleted my name from her phone list. I have lots of why and what. What is her hidden agenda? Is there any? Which of her words are true, which are false?

Conclusions:
I still think that her heart is good. (Maybe it's the time i spend with her or is it her KC skills) I did not spend on her as she did not request. Only meals and those sessions with her. I was emotionally drained. I have too much to lose if i were to choose her. But will I mind her past in the future? (Her WL friend did married to Singapore)

Well, like 1 bro who posted before: "Remember!!! When you go into the hotel room, KTV or HC, it is a DREAM. When you leave the place, just remember to wake up from your DREAM." Not to generalise PRC girls, but if they are WL, they are here to make money for whatever reasons they have. Is it really that 1% that will result in a happy ending? I am a believer already. Will you fall into that 1%? Quite hard leh, it will take lots of luck(to find a WL that has a good heart) and secondly, still lots of luck.

Sorry if I have write off points from the subject.

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Originally Posted by roamersg

Never rtf is common guidance to samsters, and I agree that for most folks that's the necessary protection to ensure no emotional involvement. I actually prefer to RFT bc I like the illusion of GFE, which for most does improve dramatically with RTF, taking out to dinner with no sex, etc. But for me, I do as you do, always make it clear they are a service provider, without saying so. So I never take a free bonk, always give them some money.

Yah Bro roamersg, never RTF. But you RTF for the gf feeling. Same here for me. Can click better each time mah. Same, go out for dinner or supper only. Always pay for my sessions. But, in the end, if you never wake up from your dream after leaving and your little head and heart do the thinking, you are going down a spiral of stairs.

Big head must still be the one doing the thinking.

[colins]

Bro shade, really empathise you but you've got good experience now. Hope she din take too much emotions off you man.

[RegularJoe]

That night, I harden my feelings and told her that I'm sleeping already. No news from her there after. A few days later i sms her some help that i had done for her. She thanked me. Then another sms followed, “你是？” Well, all is clear now.

Me, “没关系，不重要了。”
WL,“可以打电话吗？”
Me, “不必了，没关系。”

bro shade...i think you were lucky to have seen thru her before any serious damage came upon you...

the way many of these FLs/WLs KC, top notch i tell you... sometimes very difficult to differentiate what's real and unreal.... fucking to them is just another day's work... why would that make any difference to them, if they were screwing one or the other, right?

but i can't say that of decent women... we all know that most men fuck first than love but women, generally love first than fuck...

and herein lies the psychological disadvantage for some men.... becos we screw these FLs/WLs , and with repeated fucks, suppers, outings, etc, there's always the tendency to fall emotionally in love with the favourite ones...forgetting that they merely fuck and still wont reciprocate their emotions..bcos as i alluded to just a para above... they come here to make a fucking living (punt intended)...and it makes no difference to them who they open legs for...as long as they are paid...

bro shade... not to miss out the fun factor after this depressing experience...one way is to turn the tables around....instead of encouraging these FLs/WLs to share their sob stories...you tell them about your bad day in the office...what a fucker a colleague has been...etc... take them as a vomit bin... afterall, you are paying them for their time already...so why not...hahaha

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Originally Posted by shade

Well, like 1 bro who posted before: "Remember!!! When you go into the hotel room, KTV or HC, it is a DREAM. When you leave the place, just remember to wake up from your DREAM."

That was my quote dude.
Allow me to elaborate further on my earlier posts to add on and make the whole scheme of things complete.

Regardless, to you, the 1st and foremost thing that MUST happen is that you 2 click. This will already set the conditions and stage for the kill.

Next, they'll use either 希望计 or 同情计 to reel in you in.
This is the test water phase for them on you.
After that, once they feel you're on the hook, the 感情计 will ensue.
If you really read back or have personally gone thru or have friends who have gone through this storm, it's always the same.

同情计 is one of the most common tactics used.
They'll give you 1001 sad stories, owe who money la, husband, father or mom gamble owe money big time, kenna cheated till no choice must come here...then, as I'm sure many have experienced, the ROBIN HOOD in you will come forward, dun worry, your knight in shining armour has arrived.........DUMB
Once you fall into this, the 希望计will come in...u will think that she must really be indebted to you thus will also by now, think you're a damn nice reliable guy and thus plant her seeds of love in you.....but that's when they start digging liao
After this stage, the 感情计 will set in...namely after 2 person have been together for sometime liao
This one, though tactical, the appetite will increase plus knowing that you already kenna smitten by them, its no holds barred.............

It's always the same, Thai, Viet, Ang Moh or PRC.....fuck i can write a book liao
So, bottomline is, remember, you can play but never, and i mean never, use MORALS to gauge them, else the one who'll be fucked, will definitely not be them but you.
They suck u dry of $$$ and emotions and the cycle begins from zero for them again.
But the poor victim, so devastated and drained emotionally and financially, to come back up will alone already be a challenge.

If you read this for the 1st time, take heed, use this like a sutra and you'll survive, but if you're being KCed rite now, let this serve as a wake up call......cos in the end, the one who will be too ashamed to even surface again, trust me, will be no other than yourself!

[funnyz]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

That was my quote dude.
Allow me to elaborate further on my earlier posts to add on and make the whole scheme of things complete.

Regardless, to you, the 1st and foremost thing that MUST happen is that you 2 click. This will already set the conditions and stage for the kill.

Bro, I can't agree more with you regarding the 同情计 希望计 感情计. I was nearly burned the other time, fortunately the damage was minimal. Despite all the advices here. I'm still trying to get my winning formula right. However having said that, every girl personality is different. Still I enjoy the challenge every now and then.

I'm currently at the stage of 感情计, I did not fall for both the 同情计 & 希望计 though both was well executed by her. I equal the money I spent on her as going to one HC session. In this way, subconciously you still think of her as a WL not as a girlfriend or whatsoever.

Personally for me, the challenging part is the 感情计 because of the many lies and deceit involved. Whoever is the best actor or best actress wins. It's never about love and it's 100% about how much she can milk from you and when you are dry (though some may beg to differ).

All those experience shared in here are almost similar and at the end of the day, it's all about going in with your eyes opened. My words of wisdom is 'it's always the same shit, but different assholes' to people who think they are in heaven.

[closetspacefull]

What's this about who KC who. Who benefit more from the relationship...
Mathematical equation shows u paid X amt of cash for Y amt of companionship.

Just like u go market and pay $10 for mangoes. What you paid for is what you get. Cannot be stall owner will suddenly give you additional banana, oranges, lychees for free right? That wasn't part of the agreement. If the stall owner is close, maybe can get free gift of one mangosteen in the hope of making you a repeat customer (basic of marketing & customer service), but can't expect her to keep on giving if you're not paying right?

Why are you looking for a deep heart-to-heart relationship with a woman who came to you selling her affection for cash? Why do u feel betrayed if she shows her lack of interest after you stop paying? Can you honestly say you're surprised???

There's a reason why people call it a hobby. Cause you're suppose to have fun. Just like collecting stamps, art, golf, u have to pay to play... When a hobby becomes the center of your life, then it becomes an obsession....

[mike1304k]

Originally Posted by closetspacefull

What's this about who KC who. Who benefit more from the relationship...
Mathematical equation shows u paid X amt of cash for Y amt of companionship.

Just like u go market and pay $10 for mangoes. What you paid for is what you get. Cannot be stall owner will suddenly give you additional banana, oranges, lychees for free right? That wasn't part of the agreement. If the stall owner is close, maybe can get free gift of one mangosteen in the hope of making you a repeat customer (basic of marketing & customer service), but can't expect her to keep on giving if you're not paying right?

Why are you looking for a deep heart-to-heart relationship with a woman who came to you selling her affection for cash? Why do u feel betrayed if she shows her lack of interest after you stop paying? Can you honestly say you're surprised???

There's a reason why people call it a hobby. Cause you're suppose to have fun. Just like collecting stamps, art, golf, u have to pay to play... When a hobby becomes the center of your life, then it becomes an obsession....

I agree with you on this point, but then to be frank, I disagree with the point of mango seller and buyer... If you get into the good books of the seller, he may just give you an extra mango for free and that is what the thread is all about. We are trying to get more mangoes for less and yet not having to pay more.

[closetspacefull]

oh of course, if you can use $100 and stretch a bonk into free sex etc... go for it, but also give chance to the meimei lah. If you're just having fun, cannot monopolize her and hurt her income right...

Just like if you are a sales person. Someone come to you and manage to negotiate a good price, at least some profit for you and transaction done. If someone come to you and make you work whole day, then decide not to buy so absolutely waste time, then he's a dick right.

People all making a living, all trying to have a good fun. Its human nature to try to get the best deal but what I cannot understand is the amount of angst in these pages. Its as if some posters expect the mei mei to give them their entire devotion just because they put in a dollars and time into the relationship... Even with normal girls, already difficult to really have a strong mutual loving and respectful relationship. Odds are damn low with FL lah...

[hamster80]

Originally Posted by funnyz

Bro, I can't agree more with you regarding the 同情计 希望计 感情计. I was nearly burned the other time, fortunately the damage was minimal. Despite all the advices here. I'm still trying to get my winning formula right. However having said that, every girl personality is different. Still I enjoy the challenge every now and then.

I'm currently at the stage of 感情计, I did not fall for both the 同情计 & 希望计 though both was well executed by her. I equal the money I spent on her as going to one HC session. In this way, subconciously you still think of her as a WL not as a girlfriend or whatsoever.

Personally for me, the challenging part is the 感情计 because of the many lies and deceit involved. Whoever is the best actor or best actress wins. It's never about love and it's 100% about how much she can milk from you and when you are dry (though some may beg to differ).

All those experience shared in here are almost similar and at the end of the day, it's all about going in with your eyes opened. My words of wisdom is 'it's always the same shit, but different assholes' to people who think they are in heaven.

Lol....we should come out a book call the KC 36 计 - 如何预防手册

Confirm will sell like HOT cakes... Ahahahah !!

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hey Bro colins and Bro RegularJoe, I thought I am the last to post so late and not sleeping. Both of you are even later than me! hee hee...

Originally Posted by colins

Bro shade, really empathise you but you've got good experience now. Hope she din take too much emotions off you man.

thanks colins. I'm better now. But still, at times, i couldn't help but think how is she now. *slap myself in the face* hai. it was my first time experiencing it. It did take some toll of my emotions. People around me notice the change in my character. Not as chirpy and smiling. But when i'm with her, i'm back to my old self again. Especially so like a new couple during their honeymoon period. aiyo, come to think of it. Dunno what happen to me back then.

Originally Posted by RegularJoe

bro shade...i think you were lucky to have seen thru her before any serious damage came upon you...

the way many of these FLs/WLs KC, top notch i tell you... sometimes very difficult to differentiate what's real and unreal.... fucking to them is just another day's work... why would that make any difference to them, if they were screwing one or the other, right?

Yah, i'm lucky no serious damage was done. Especially to my present relationship of 6 years plus. I'm really stupid.

I wanted to believe her, but on the other hand at the back of my head, those lies that humans can come up with really put a brake on my actions. I did ask her why she chose to go to this path and not earn a living by other means. Her reply was to repay her relative ASAP. Quite lame as she chose to take a short path.

Sometimes I saw the FR that the bros here provide, can't help but feel the sour in me. She is so good and professional to everyone. Who am I to her then?

Originally Posted by RegularJoe

and herein lies the psychological disadvantage for some men.... becos we screw these FLs/WLs , and with repeated fucks, suppers, outings, etc, there's always the tendency to fall emotionally in love with the favourite ones...forgetting that they merely fuck and still wont reciprocate their emotions..bcos as i alluded to just a para above... they come here to make a fucking living (punt intended)...and it makes no difference to them who they open legs for...as long as they are paid...

Is this juz men or Singaporean men? We are deemed as not so street wise and involved emotionally that we are easy targets by those WL. Money and love lost. There is a Chinese proverb - "Pei Le Fu Ren You Zhe Bing" (to suffer a double loss). Sorry, mandarin not good, so have to write in hanyu pingyin.

Originally Posted by RegularJoe

bro shade... not to miss out the fun factor after this depressing experience...one way is to turn the tables around....instead of encouraging these FLs/WLs to share their sob stories...you tell them about your bad day in the office...what a fucker a colleague has been...etc... take them as a vomit bin... afterall, you are paying them for their time already...so why not...hahaha

Must have the correct mentality lor. Work i think ok, but not your relationship with your other half. Later you sink deeper into their traps and can't surface ah.

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

That was my quote dude....

It's always the same, Thai, Viet, Ang Moh or PRC.....fuck i can write a book liao....

haha, paiseh bro. I knew i saw it somewhere in Matters of the Heart. Just forget where and by who.

So Bro, it is the same for all of them? Guess it is the must have skills in their trade. Machiam like pass down from generation to generation. It really must be finding a needle in a hay stack to find that really truthful WL. Eh, same for local FL?

[RegularJoe]

Originally Posted by closetspacefull

Why are you looking for a deep heart-to-heart relationship with a woman who came to you selling her affection for cash?

if we keep this above in mind... we should be fine...

[hamster80]

Originally Posted by RegularJoe

Originally Posted by closetspacefull
Why are you looking for a deep heart-to-heart relationship with a woman who came to you selling her affection for cash?

if we keep this above in mind... we should be fine...

I agree too...just love her for that 1-2 hour duration..

I always tell the FLs that they are the girls I love the most for these 2 hour.

After that, I wake up .

[KangTuo]

Seems like most bro here are into PRC...

Originally Posted by NewandLost

Basically a con job by free lance hookers and other undesirables or even a non working girl. One is conned to give under the aura of love.

it is also a con job by guys who wanna get more from the amount of money and/or time spend. Be it being excuted on WL or non-WL.

Originally Posted by RegularJoe

i suppose many middle-aged men especially, could fall prey easily to KC by FLs/WLs... this could be that the "flame" with the spouse is a mere flicker now..

It is not advisable for married man to play this game.

Originally Posted by closetspacefull

I've been a robert a coupla times. I remember when I first started out, I buy LV for a girl I just met for 2 days. While that was a significant cash outlay to me

That is a huge gift.
There are always big player and big spender out there playing this game. If you cannot match the amount they spend, better give up. You will be burnt.
I have seen alot of guys giving the girls stacks of cold hard cash.

Personally I do not give cold hard cash to any gals I KC. Who I do is buying air-ticket, apply extention, have meals together, meet them after their work, bring them to the beach when they are unhappy, etc. Let them have the impression that I am helping the out of love.

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Remember the basic common traits that's still very widely used:

感情计
同情计
希望计

I like this 3 traits... we can use this 3 traits to counter them

Originally Posted by Harvest

At the end of my tango with them I did not cheat their hard-earned money nor made them commit any crime.

In this game, we did not cheat $ but we cheat their heart. Give them a 希望 and than crush it.

Not all WL/FL are here to only earn $. Some are here to look for future partner as well as $ to live a better life. Some are very focus to look for $, but as times goes by and with frequent meet up. These WL/FL melted and fell in love also.

Originally Posted by roamersg

Interesting thread, I went back and read many of the pages.

I also find it ineteresting, so I started to post here

Originally Posted by closetspacefull

oh of course, if you can use $100 and stretch a bonk into free sex etc... go for it, but also give chance to the meimei lah. If you're just having fun, cannot monopolize her and hurt her income right...

That is what guy play KC game for... it is to strecth the $ they spend on a WL/FL.

Correct, never monopolize a WL unless to can provide the $ that she earn in her stay here. Let them work and do what they want. If you cannot bare to see them work, that is to say you should get out of the game asap.

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Originally Posted by KangTuo

Seems like most bro here are into PRC......

Not all WL/FL are here to only earn $. Some are here to look for future partner as well as $ to live a better life. Some are very focus to look for $, but as times goes by and with frequent meet up. These WL/FL melted and fell in love also..........

Well, I think in terms of ratio, they are more. Then, we can communicate easier with them. Other countries, unless you know their language or they know english, it will be a chicken and duck conversation.

SO, maybe what i experience might be true. Because of the way she mention about her friend who met her husband while the friend is in this line. Well, I have everything to lose and she has everything to gain. Not a good situation you can be in when you are attached or married. It is very very hard to trust them as you are afraid to be hurt. Kudos to those bros who did it and found a happy ending.