Stephen Leather's Private Dancer

[yohjimbo]

Dear SC
I guess that we have posted at great length the various factors to explain the behaviour of Thai women.

I find personally that the high EQ and KC factor to be devastatingly disarming and makes us very vulnerable. Coupled with a beautiful face and body and we are suckers.

The magic that can be woven by these women is amazing. The feelings aroused are a heady crazy mixture of love, lust, exhilaration and the powerful desire to take care of her! When you want to take care of a woman , you want to live with her, dress her up in nice clothes, buy her a car to drive or chauffer her around, even have babies with her!! You get the picture....

Hence the money issues...... if you go all the way as above she is your wife....any thing short and she has taken your money and you for the ride. I guess that I would just look back and tell myself I had a great time while the going was good, I can make the money back as long as youth is on my side and having paid tuition fees be a lot wiser( maybe more cynical) in my future endeavours. If I had feelings for her..... would still wish her the best.

Happy Chinese New year and all the best! Yohjimbo

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by yohjimbo
Dear SC
I guess that we have posted at great length the various factors to explain the behaviour of Thai women.

I find personally that the high EQ and KC factor to be devastatingly disarming and makes us very vulnerable. Coupled with a beautiful face and body and we are suckers.

The magic that can be woven by these women is amazing. The feelings aroused are a heady crazy mixture of love, lust, exhilaration and the powerful desire to take care of her! When you want to take care of a woman , you want to live with her, dress her up in nice clothes, buy her a car to drive or chauffer her around, even have babies with her!! You get the picture....

Hence the money issues...... if you go all the way as above she is your wife....any thing short and she has taken your money and you for the ride. I guess that I would just look back and tell myself I had a great time while the going was good, I can make the money back as long as youth is on my side and having paid tuition fees be a lot wiser( maybe more cynical) in my future endeavours. If I had feelings for her..... would still wish her the best.

Happy Chinese New year and all the best! Yohjimbo

hi Yohjimbo,

The chinese way of treating our love is done very much the same with many many others. But in thailand its very very different culture. In thailand, its the exact opposite of what will happen when a couple is in love. The women will take care of the men instead. Actually in thailand, the mindset of many in getting married is nothing. Marriage, divorce is just like a procedure for them. If in love, no cert also can stay together. But in singapore is different. People go for the cert thingy.

If you really got the money and think that giving to the tirak as part of a love package, by all means no one can stop your decision. Thats why in thailand, some singaporeans though they have thai wives, they have their legal methods to "tie down" their wife so that she has no chance to run away with the money and take them for a ride.

Happy new year
SC

[tirak69]

bro SC,

time to get started on your private ab-num story again leh... "mai wa nan tao rao, phom gor ror". 55555!

[yohjimbo]

Dear SC
Read your mail with great interest. Looks like the mentality of the Thai women are very different. But also found that some of them dislike Thai men. Give the impression that they do not think highly of them especially the handsome guys. However these seem to be the view of the more capable women.

Would also like to know about the ways of "tieing" them down.
Cheers Yohjimbo

[liketoplay]

Originally posted by yohjimbo
Dear SC
Read your mail with great interest. Looks like the mentality of the Thai women are very different. But also found that some of them dislike Thai men. Give the impression that they do not think highly of them especially the handsome guys. However these seem to be the view of the more capable women.

Would also like to know about the ways of "tieing" them down.
Cheers Yohjimbo

I also encounter Thai girl who told me that she doesn't like and will not fall for Thai guys.

[GiddlyGook]

Originally posted by siamcutey

But in thailand its very very different culture. In thailand, its the exact opposite of what will happen when a couple is in love. The women will take care of the men instead. Actually in thailand, the mindset of many in getting married is nothing. Marriage, divorce is just like a procedure for them. If in love, no cert also can stay together. But in singapore is different. People go for the cert thingy.

Important though to caveat that most of the opinions here center around women from a less affluent socio-economic background. My company has an office in BKK so I get to see another viewpoint from vantage of the middle-class: they seem no different from chicks from SIN or KUL or any other major city.

But I've also seen life in the poorer, agrarian parts of the country and they sure seem to get married (ceremonial-tie-the-string-around-wrist) and separated at the drop of a hat. Not uncommon to find women with 3 kids by different men etc. Very cavalier attitude to marriage and child-bearing - maybe that's the way it should be and we are all just dumb droids conditioned by a slavish desire to ape all the psycho-bable the Western media throws at us.

[sassina2]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
Important though to caveat that most of the opinions here center around women from a less affluent socio-economic background. My company has an office in BKK so I get to see another viewpoint from vantage of the middle-class: they seem no different from chicks from SIN or KUL or any other major city.

But I've also seen life in the poorer, agrarian parts of the country and they sure seem to get married (ceremonial-tie-the-string-around-wrist) and separated at the drop of a hat. Not uncommon to find women with 3 kids by different men etc. Very cavalier attitude to marriage and child-bearing - maybe that's the way it should be and we are all just dumb droids conditioned by a slavish desire to ape all the psycho-bable the Western media throws at us.

Been a little out of touch lately but ten yrs ago, I used to move around much with someone from Hiso in Bangkok (family owned A Listed Hotel Group) and also with a wealthy Phuket friend both of whom are Chinese Thai.

Also spent lots of time with professional Thai people working in particular in the Hotel business thus bringing me in touch with many Thai ladies mostly graduates working in Sales & Marketing in Hotel Industry; many of whom come from very good upper middle class families.

You are right, they are not far different (and yet delictably attractive in their Thai ways) from similar background families in Singapore or Malaysia or most other Asian countries.

If you should connect and are truely loved, the women can prove to be formidable, uncannily smart in business and a good lifelong companion. I know a couple of Singaporeans who married them and are still happily married.

Most of the discussions of "Private Dancer" in the novel reflect on Thai women who come from the "far provinces" and working in a "night life industry" and they should not be taken to represent Thai women in general.

Most of the "night life ladies" come from rural, uneducated and poor backgrounds even if they themselves may have good education.

It is unfair to Thai women and to Thailand to take "Private Dancer ladies" and generalize this to be Thai women!

I say this because I have made many good friends with non night life ladies and I have more good things to say about them than this discussion credits them for.

I have also played around much over more than 10 years with both these close male friends of mine (and others) and yes, the "night life" category of women (this applies whether it's Malaysians, Singaporeans, Thais, Vietnamese, Indonesians etc etc......) are a special category that are painful to love and even more painful if you expect true love (in the romantic sense) in return.

For them, you are a bread and butter money issue and support and you should know that.

Instinctively, they have learnt that several streams of income is better than one. For cuty love, they always lose their heart to their own "toy boys" most of whom are uncannily good at exploting these girls need for "real love".

Unfortunately, they have more time around these gals than you have and language is at their disposal. You can go learn and learn, in the meantime, somebody else is a few steps ahead of you. If you are handsome, someone else is even more handsome and capable than you in satisfying them all round!

Why bother when there are many non night life women in the city of angels! Pay attention, circulate and you will find the woman of your dream if you want a good Thai girlfriend!

A good place to start is the Guest Relations, PR Department and Front Desk of the leading hotels of Bangkok. They always have the prettiest young Thai ladies working for them and most of them are vulnerable to being "taken" fast and quick. More, language is less of a problem because they are mostly able to speak English. Just one "hot tip".

Don't forget, once you find her, you have to keep her too. Men are men, and nice Thai ladies are always under attack because Thai men, esp those with money are "all conquering" and most devastating when they want to compete. I know from personal experience.

A good friend of mine who comes from one of the most wealthy Phuket families invested time and married one of the cutest and attractive "luk kreungs " I have ever known. She was the daughter of a big time general. He also divorced her after 6 months of marriage.
Why? She did love him for he was articulate, rich, handsome and .........

However, after marriage, since he was a kampong fella living in Phuket, his highly educated wife wanted to remain in Bangkok to put to good use her Masters Education for her professional pride! Also, Bangkok is a more exciting city as compared to Phuket although she had whatever she wanted there including a resort island the family owned etc etc.

In Bangkok. she lived in her own apartment & drove a Mercedes as paid for by my friend. Because of her inate beauty and attractiveness, she was constantly "under attack" by every son of a bitch male who met her at work, at play, everywhere and she finally succumbed to one of them. (Thai men when they are confident can be extremely charming!)

My friend found out and wanted to kill him, her and then shoot himself. Fortunately, he came to his senses and is today happily married to nice sweet kampong chicken from hometown after fucking his way through most of Phuket and Bangkok. Girls just throw themselves at him all the time because of who he is but, there you are.
Marry an attractive woman anywhere in the world and, she is always under attack unless you can be at her side day in and out!

Just know that Thai men (esp the professionals and rich ones) when they want a woman are highly persuasive. I have spent enough time with them to tell you they are competitive!
They have lots of time and experience training with girls of all sorts of background from early as compared with us here in Sillypore.

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
Important though to caveat that most of the opinions here center around women from a less affluent socio-economic background. My company has an office in BKK so I get to see another viewpoint from vantage of the middle-class: they seem no different from chicks from SIN or KUL or any other major city.

But I've also seen life in the poorer, agrarian parts of the country and they sure seem to get married (ceremonial-tie-the-string-around-wrist) and separated at the drop of a hat. Not uncommon to find women with 3 kids by different men etc. Very cavalier attitude to marriage and child-bearing - maybe that's the way it should be and we are all just dumb droids conditioned by a slavish desire to ape all the psycho-bable the Western media throws at us.

In thailand, the "Decent" people frown upon girls of the night life. It gives them a very bad name. As in if I can use my brains and study hard, why resort to being an FL or WL to earn fast easy money. But the truth is prostitution has been one of the oldest trade in the world if not thailand. Thailand would not be thailand if prostitution is wiped out.
Having few children from few relationships is considered nothing as well. Some might even have no form of marriage as well in registry records. And there are cases where the kids become the children of their elder sister or brother.

But still I would tell others who really wish to thread on this kind of path to look at girls in other sectors. I always tell Yomun and other friends, if you want to look for a companion, look around decent places. If you want to play, go night spots. Just going around departmental stores, music shops, business areas, etc, you get to meet women who at least have an 8-5 kind of job. After work, few would have enough energy to play tricks as the next day to them will be another working day. Also their threshold of spending money will be much much lower than those of WLs. MP girl need 5 figure income to sustain looks, youth, body not forgetting liabilities such as car, pii chai. A normal TG will only need a few K and she could live a simple and normal life.

But often than not, not saying that I love to condemn TGs. I only condemn those that love to con type. And I always give decent WLs a good comment. Especially those that you see in restaurants or other service industries (not inc of WLs), they give good service that bring their country to fame for being the Land of Smiles.

However, on and off, we should always throw out our Chinese, or Foreign mentality when dealing with Thai People. Irregardless in business or other situations, we must understand that they love to lie too. I am not saying everyone of them do, but their actions just show it.
To them, there are always certain things that are best to be left covered up rather than reveal the truth. A very recent example is the bird flu incident in Thailand.

The people in Thailand already suspected it is Bird Flu and not Cholera that attacked the Fowls, but Thaksin and his Govt has been telling the public not to be afraid and even organise a chicken dinner to be televised on National TV. But what happens? the fire can't be kept under wraps and now everything is exposed. What about the 2 lives who passed away and others who are now in hospital? Just because of the economy and lives should be risked? This is Thailand. There is nothing one can do about it. In Singapore, though lives are lost in SARS, but the government was swift to inform the public and no intention of covering up the incident was done as doing that might result in more lives being lost. In the process, Singapore's economy was greatly affected, but then we should all thank the stars that we are still alive. (I know Singapore Bashers will not like hearing this) But it is the TRUTH

This is sadly how Thailand works and one should always be a tad more careful irregardless of Love Relationships or Business Issues.

SC

[GiddlyGook]

Originally posted by sassina2

A good place to start is the Guest Relations, PR Department and Front Desk of the leading hotels of Bangkok. They always have the prettiest young Thai ladies working for them and most of them are vulnerable to being "taken" fast and quick. More, language is less of a problem because they are mostly able to speak English. Just one "hot tip".

Well said. Let me throw out a tip: anybody relishing a "challenge", there's this total babe working the front desk at the Bangkok Marriott Resort. I spent a week there last week and after I saw her and I couldn't walk straight. Her name starts with an "N" (I'm not mentioning her whole name because a) privacy reasons b) more importantly, I forgot haha) but as far as I could tell after finding 1001 reasons to visit the front desk every day, she was the only one whose name starts with an "N".

Total babe with the most striking eyes I have ever seen.

[CumKing]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
Well said. Let me throw out a tip: anybody relishing a "challenge", there's this total babe working the front desk at the Bangkok Marriott Resort. I spent a week there last week and after I saw her and I couldn't walk straight. Her name starts with an "N" (I'm not mentioning her whole name because a) privacy reasons b) more importantly, I forgot haha) but as far as I could tell after finding 1001 reasons to visit the front desk every day, she was the only one whose name starts with an "N".

Total babe with the most striking eyes I have ever seen.

Ok..Bangkok Marriot Resort...HERE I COME !!!

Hehehe
CK

[siamcutey]

Originally posted by GiddlyGook
Well said. Let me throw out a tip: anybody relishing a "challenge", there's this total babe working the front desk at the Bangkok Marriott Resort. I spent a week there last week and after I saw her and I couldn't walk straight. Her name starts with an "N" (I'm not mentioning her whole name because a) privacy reasons b) more importantly, I forgot haha) but as far as I could tell after finding 1001 reasons to visit the front desk every day, she was the only one whose name starts with an "N".

Total babe with the most striking eyes I have ever seen.

Yup, at least try to cast the net on the good fishes and probability of hooking a good mermaid is better than casting a net in an oil slick. At least these normal TGs mix around with normal folks and their discussion topics among their peers will at least be on decent topics.

WLs seldom mix around with normal TGs as they would find themselves hard to get into the conversation. That is also why WLs normally mix in groups of WLs, because communication topics is more similar. Not trying to condemn them, but the topics they discuss will be on how "pervert" customers are, which sponsor to con, which place to enjoy, where to up *Ya, whose pii chai is most handsome, etc. It will not go down well with normal folks.

Do not think that Girls with high education will not be in the Flesh Trade. There are Club PRs with Bachelor degrees and they prefer to keep their occupation as a secret. Their peers will look down on them if they do mention it. While some do not sleep with customers, most do either LTs, or get a rich sponsor to sponsor them.

SC

* Ya --- In thai, it means medicine, but to up Ya in thailand means to take drugs. Most often fall into category of designer drugs.

[siamcutey]

Reality Check
For every 1 brother that gets out of tirak trap, another 10 falls hopelessly into it.

There are always a fair share of detractors who always think differently, but as time goes, whether the words hold truth or not is up to individual to interpret. Some will take it as a learning curve, others might take it as a very bitter pill to swallow. But ask yourself this question.

Did you learn something out from it?

Others will take it as a lesson in life and move on with it. Some others will from then start to feel lost of direction in life. But the truth is life still goes on. What matters is the future and not the past.

Me and my tales all come from the many kopis and story sharing sessions with thailand cheongsters. They have seen more in life than many of us. Though it might seem as a story to many, but it is a similar path which many are taking. Everyone's path is different, but the way of taking it is almost the same. And many more frightening stories are rather not shared on the web as sensitivity is involved. But trust me, there are very chum cases not being read in this forum.

There is nothing to feel ashamed of what happened cos humans erred. I never believe in using this line, "Hey, I told you so."Because it doesn't help anyone. There is also nothing to prove my words wrong. There might be people who think, I must prove the whole world wrong by being with my tirak. At the end of the day, the money doesn't come out from my pocket, neither does the relationship benefit anyone of us. Persisting in a bottomless pit will prove fatal for you, and not us here posting here in a forum.

There is also no need to revenge. By getting back at them is bringing ownself down to their level of being bad. Pointless.
As quoted from other sources, this 2 paragraphs are very true and should always be in the head.

You are quite unlikely to have a significant impact on the human evil in the world by trying to chase down bad people in Thailand who have done bad things to you.

There are bigger and more important things in life. Life is too short already. If you want to attain greater happiness or fulfillment of your purpose in life, then we suggest you look at the big picture and get a grip on more important values and interests in life, rather than getting involved in the evil of the world. Take it as a challenge and an opportunity to learn some valuable lessons. Along the way, "refuse" to lower yourself to some other people's levels. Move up to higher moral ground.

Remember, there is nothing to feel ashame of. Sharing your problems with the right people gives you the right amount of help to solve the problem. And I can even recommend some other people who can really help beside drinking and singing thai songs.
Help is free of charge

PM function is free of charge too.

SC

[DNAT]

Originally posted by sassina2

the "night life" category of women (this applies whether it's Malaysians, Singaporeans, Thais, Vietnamese, Indonesians etc etc......) are a special category that are painful to love and even more painful if you expect true love (in the romantic sense) in return.

For them, you are a bread and butter money issue and support and you should know that.

Instinctively, they have learnt that several streams of income is better than one.

Unfortunately, they have more time around these gals than you have and language is at their disposal. You can go learn and learn, in the meantime, somebody else is a few steps ahead of you.

yoz pak:
would like to hear your opinion on short-term (say abt 3-6 months) 'house-keep' relationship in Indo settings?

Thanks

(Apologise to others if felt intruded due to non-Thai enquiry .... pai-seh pai-seh)

[Phucker]

very true....
its part of my life and i bear no hard feelings towards my 'tirak'.
i grew up wiser from the experience.
no more tirak stuff for me.....haha

there are some worses cases though, ppl who can tell me they 'awaken' from the tirak game but still persists in it....maybe with the same gal or with another new gal.

[sassina2]

Originally posted by DNAT
yoz pak:
would like to hear your opinion on short-term (say abt 3-6 months) 'house-keep' relationship in Indo settings?

Thanks

(Apologise to others if felt intruded due to non-Thai enquiry .... pai-seh pai-seh)

In the most basic sense, whether it's a wife or a "contracted limited time rental" you begin with the background and history of the person concerned and social circles.

If the person concerned comes from the "booking" type or "freelance" sex industry, there is a strong possiblity that she will not be able to break out of those circles of influences.

These people whether fellow sisters, boyfriend lovers or other foreign "customer lovers" will continue to pester and gain favours out of your rental during your absence.

Since they are not paying the long term rental, they will tempt with large amounts of "one off payments" which can be attractive supplementary income in addition to yours!

If there is no true deep love, or, your pockets are not as deep and strong as to wield total devotion, you bet she may be tempted to succumb to others every so often right?

This does not mean that you cannot go ahead. Just know that you have to have an enlightened approach and build "checks and markers" so you know how to evaluate where it is heading and if theres any straying.

Wouldn't want to be the person renting a bicycle which others can use also esp in this day and age of killer diseases!

Some years ago when I had a regular nice Solo GF that I brought from Solo and help set up in a decent job in Batam, I never did worry about straying cos I never took the mental position that I owned the property.

The job paid her just enough and provided lodgings in the hotel's premises too. I was sure that many were doing their best to get a piece of the action despite all that and perhaps, some succeeded too!

I never bothered to worry because for me, it was never love, just a nice sweet young thing to bury my prick and take care of my needs!

She was never from the industry and so it helped! Does it make sense?