Issue with ICA

[dom01]

Originally Posted by Schenker

If she has not worked in SG B4, please continue to do so and bear a few more yrs at least till she attain SPR. Yr annual salary is not low, base on yr merit try a few more times shld get it.

She can always enhance and upgrade herself by taking up some english course, cooking, beauty or IT courses to get herself going. She may consider to get involved in community services. You may also "sacrifice" yrself taking taking up these activities 2gether. Buddy system mah.

U shld not ignore the "baby issue". We have a shortage problem leh. Can also solve her boredom problems.

Buddy,

I second your statement, as I am also waiting to apply my wife pr the 2nd time. I was advised that it is more difficult to attain SPR if you held work permit as compared with LTVP. In general, it is easier for PRC to SPR.

Btw, be careful with what course you are taking when on LTVP. You should enquire with ICA and seek their approval in writing if required.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by CIM-FJ-BBBj

Hi ,

Just to ask as i am marrying my GF from PRC this coming july as i was thinking about getting her LTVP if she were to be able to find work in SG and apply for a Work Permit does that means that her chances of getting a PR is lesser ? Thanks

When you legally marry you GF, you can apply for the LTVP first. There are 2 types of LTVP.

The first type is ICA approved her LTVP application. It could be 6 months or a year. This way, a month before the LTVP expires, you need to renew the LTVP which will be renewed if there's no problem in her stay. Application for renweal can be done online. This way, you can also apply the SPR for her. It may or may not be approved, reasons best known to ICA but you just keep trying until you get. If a child comes along the way, her chances increased.

The other type is ICA will say that the LTVP is not approved but they will still give her 6 months LTVP. ICA will say it is non-renewable and at the same time the letter will allow her to look for a job. Work permit for her will be easily given provided she's not working in the "service" industry like massage parlour, etc. Companies can employ her because it will not affect their foreign worker's quota. When she gets a job and work permit, you can then apply the SPR for her. Again, it up to ICA to approved or not but you just keep trying. Oh, by the way, a month before the LTVP expires, just go to ICA to apply again. And the process goes on.

For the first type, if your wife wants to take up a job, she needs to have ICA approval. No problem. Once she found a prospective employer, just go to ICA to apply for it.

Hope this help to give you some information.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by dom01

Buddy,

I second your statement, as I am also waiting to apply my wife pr the 2nd time. I was advised that it is more difficult to attain SPR if you held work permit as compared with LTVP. In general, it is easier for PRC to SPR.

Btw, be careful with what course you are taking when on LTVP. You should enquire with ICA and seek their approval in writing if required.

For courses, as long as it is a short term course, there's no problem for that. The training provider will be able to let the foreign person knows whether they can take the course or not.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by dom01

It is even harder to get PR with a work permit.

I also got rejected by ICA last yr too.

The rejection is not due to her getting a work permit.

The rejection does not consider whether she's on LTVP or work permit. This would mean that if she's rejected while she's on work permit, she would have been rejected even if she's on LTVP.

[69ASIMO69]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

When you legally marry you GF, you can apply for the LTVP first. There are 2 types of LTVP.

The first type is ICA approved her LTVP application. It could be 6 months or a year. This way, a month before the LTVP expires, you need to renew the LTVP which will be renewed if there's no problem in her stay. Application for renweal can be done online. This way, you can also apply the SPR for her. It may or may not be approved, reasons best known to ICA but you just keep trying until you get. If a child comes along the way, her chances increased.

The other type is ICA will say that the LTVP is not approved but they will still give her 6 months LTVP. ICA will say it is non-renewable and at the same time the letter will allow her to look for a job. Work permit for her will be easily given provided she's not working in the "service" industry like massage parlour, etc. Companies can employ her because it will not affect their foreign worker's quota. When she gets a job and work permit, you can then apply the SPR for her. Again, it up to ICA to approved or not but you just keep trying. Oh, by the way, a month before the LTVP expires, just go to ICA to apply again. And process goes on.

For the first type, if your wife wants to take up a job, she needs to have ICA approval. No problem. Once she found a prospective employer, just go to ICA to apply for it.

Hope this help to give you some information.

*** Help u on the above first type category. she wont need to Go ICA to apply nor seek approval. When the holder of the LTSVP gets a job offer, the employer will submit work permit application straight to MOM. Once approve, she will need to surrender the LTSVP pass to MOM and collect the work permit pass which will be issue. No ICA related visit nor application at all. I have personally gone through this application process...

[BowBow]

I haven't even start ROM and after reading so many pages... Marrying a non-SG really a very tedious process...

[Schenker]

Originally Posted by dom01

Buddy,

I second your statement, as I am also waiting to apply my wife pr the 2nd time. I was advised that it is more difficult to attain SPR if you held work permit as compared with LTVP. In general, it is easier for PRC to SPR.

Btw, be careful with what course you are taking when on LTVP. You should enquire with ICA and seek their approval in writing if required.

Pls don't give up. I was successful for wife's SPR only on the third attempt w/o MP help. Don't even know what's the reason for the failure. Annual salary at that time was abt 3k. After she got the SPR the 3rd year, she was "invited" to apply for citizenship which she did, and approve within 6 mths.

In a nutshell, SPR is prized, citizenship is lelong lah.

If u want take course, go for those ITE or BEST course first. I not sure whether still have BEST/WISE course or not. But have to pay full rates if she on LTSVP.

[Schenker]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

The rejection is not due to her getting a work permit.

The rejection does not consider whether she's on LTVP or work permit. This would mean that if she's rejected while she's on work permit, she would have been rejected even if she's on LTVP.

No one except from ICA can really tell you the reasons behind the failure of each and every applications. And they will never tell sponsor/applicant the exact reasons. Only themselves or maybe the MP/minister who sign the appeal letter knows it after the appeal. If you notice recently ICA/grassroots are trying to be "transparent" abt their workscope, but nice try. But usually the telltale signs are very obvious to the sponsor, but they keep appealling with the same sets of documents in next attempt.

This applies to LTSVP holders or LTSVP holders who gave up and hold work permits. Past experience shows that ex-work permits hold lesser chance then a applicant who does not hold any passes before, except S pass holders.

The main concern here in the the context of foreign spouse still lies with the sponsor.

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by BowBow

I haven't even start ROM and after reading so many pages... Marrying a non-SG really a very tedious process...

Its not tedious ... its very simple ... just on ROM and aplly a date ...

the only complication comes in if she is :

1. Banned from entering Singapore

2. A Work Permit or Ex Work Permits Holders

Else every is just fine.

[antzz12]

Hi, my application for my spouse spr was rejected. Could anyone advise me How long must I wait to re-submit the application again? Thanks

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by antzz12

Hi, my application for my spouse spr was rejected. Could anyone advise me How long must I wait to re-submit the application again? Thanks

Can try after 6 months

[dom01]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

The rejection is not due to her getting a work permit.

The rejection does not consider whether she's on LTVP or work permit. This would mean that if she's rejected while she's on work permit, she would have been rejected even if she's on LTVP.

I do not agree with your statement.

MOM dishes out permit based on their salary range, position, others. I would say that if the spouse holds a E, S, LTVP holds better weightage than a WP, which is why I say try not to let the spouse convert from LTVP to WP. I know of people (working as decent engineers) and whose spouse (with a SP) was rejected.

In addition, the primary purpose of marrying to SC is not to find work in SG but to build a family.

I have a personal friend rom with a PRC and submitted their SPR application around the same time as me. His annual package is the same as mine, and both of them live in China. She has never stepped into SG before and yet her SPR was approved and mine was rejected. That is why I had mentioned that nationality/race plays a big part as ICA needs to maintain the racial quota i.e. Chinese 60%, Malays 20%, others 20%. This explains why it is easy for PRCs to get SPR.

Another way (80% sure) to getting SPR would be getting a baby. However, I am not going through this route at the moment. I do not want my kid to be exposed to the horrendous competition suffered by all dragon babies.

This is my 2 satangs worth.

[dom01]

Originally Posted by Schenker

Pls don't give up. I was successful for wife's SPR only on the third attempt w/o MP help. Don't even know what's the reason for the failure. Annual salary at that time was abt 3k. After she got the SPR the 3rd year, she was "invited" to apply for citizenship which she did, and approve within 6 mths.

In a nutshell, SPR is prized, citizenship is lelong lah.

If u want take course, go for those ITE or BEST course first. I not sure whether still have BEST/WISE course or not. But have to pay full rates if she on LTSVP.

No worries, I am not giving up.

However with the nature of my job, I might relocate with her to another area.

Sayonara SG then.

[dom01]

Originally Posted by Schenker

No one except from ICA can really tell you the reasons behind the failure of each and every applications. And they will never tell sponsor/applicant the exact reasons. Only themselves or maybe the MP/minister who sign the appeal letter knows it after the appeal. If you notice recently ICA/grassroots are trying to be "transparent" abt their workscope, but nice try. But usually the telltale signs are very obvious to the sponsor, but they keep appealling with the same sets of documents in next attempt.

This applies to LTSVP holders or LTSVP holders who gave up and hold work permits. Past experience shows that ex-work permits hold lesser chance then a applicant who does not hold any passes before, except S pass holders.

The main concern here in the the context of foreign spouse still lies with the sponsor.

I agree 199% with this.

I happened to speak with an ICA officer over the phone on this. He explained that sponsor pays a big part. For example, an ideal sponsor should be highly paid. There are additional factors that ICA look into things like job stability, job history, others.

Just to illustrate my point (for clarity), a property agent who draws high pay through his commission does not necessarily have a better chance than an engineer drawing 4k per month on the same job for the past 2 years.

Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of their assessment checklist.

Last but not least, have you been paying your taxes?

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by dom01

I do not agree with your statement.

MOM dishes out permit based on their salary range, position, others. I would say that if the spouse holds a E, S, LTVP holds better weightage than a WP, which is why I say try not to let the spouse convert from LTVP to WP. I know of people (working as decent engineers) and whose spouse (with a SP) was rejected.

In addition, the primary purpose of marrying to SC is not to find work in SG but to build a family.

I have a personal friend rom with a PRC and submitted their SPR application around the same time as me. His annual package is the same as mine, and both of them live in China. She has never stepped into SG before and yet her SPR was approved and mine was rejected. That is why I had mentioned that nationality/race plays a big part as ICA needs to maintain the racial quota i.e. Chinese 60%, Malays 20%, others 20%. This explains why it is easy for PRCs to get SPR.

Another way (80% sure) to getting SPR would be getting a baby. However, I am not going through this route at the moment. I do not want my kid to be exposed to the horrendous competition suffered by all dragon babies.

This is my 2 satangs worth.

Bro,

Up to you to believe or not.

I'm just stating the information I know. This is the information I've been told and I tend to believe what my friends from ICA tells me as they had even advised my friends on how to successfully get pink ICs for ex-cat 40 WL (now its cat 50). Not one, but 4 of them who are married to Singaporeans and living happily in SG.