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hi, I'm new to the forum. Skimmed through the postings and I do agree that as nice as it is to have someone shower care and concern on you, for such transactions, it is best to go in, do it and complete the whole thing devoid of real feelings. Getting hurt is not fun at all, regardless of relationships of such nature or even a real bgr or in a marriage.
Sorry to digress but since all of you would be seasoned players in the field, I have some questions that I hope you guys can help.
Due to breakdown of marriage and exacerbated by other factors, I am currently contemplating taking the plunge to do this for a while or time being.
May I know :
- the current going rate (understand there are different prices for various "services") for a local Chinese, say 35years old
- if there is a demand for such mature women as compared to young girls and etc
- difference between WL and FL
- any pointers would be greatly appreciated and what to look out for.
Sorry to impose on the thread. I would have and probably should have approached a freelancer and they probably would be able to assist me better. Just not sure how kindly they would take to some new woman trying to rob their rice bowl as well..etc
I can only help to answer the simplest question. WL refers to Working Lady who works under a legalized and licensed house in Geylang and Petain? where as a Freelance (FL) is illegally all on her own or work under a OKT without any licensed.
hi, I'm new to the forum. Skimmed through the postings and I do agree that as nice as it is to have someone shower care and concern on you, for such transactions, it is best to go in, do it and complete the whole thing devoid of real feelings. Getting hurt is not fun at all, regardless of relationships of such nature or even a real bgr or in a marriage.
Sorry to digress but since all of you would be seasoned players in the field, I have some questions that I hope you guys can help.
Due to breakdown of marriage and exacerbated by other factors, I am currently contemplating taking the plunge to do this for a while or time being.
May I know :
- the current going rate (understand there are different prices for various "services") for a local Chinese, say 35years old
- if there is a demand for such mature women as compared to young girls and etc
- difference between WL and FL
- any pointers would be greatly appreciated and what to look out for.
Sorry to impose on the thread. I would have and probably should have approached a freelancer and they probably would be able to assist me better. Just not sure how kindly they would take to some new woman trying to rob their rice bowl as well..etc
Hi sis, welcome to SBF. My humble opinion:
- If you are new to this line, better to start off working for a OKT (pimp) to gain some experience first. Yes, you will earn less but at least there will be someone to properly assess your suitability, guide you face to face and do the coordination work for you.
- But if you want to jump into the deep pool straight away as a freelancer, then the price you can command will depend on your looks and the level of service you are willing to provide. If you take a look at the Local FL threads, you will notice that a number of FLs at their late 20s are offering their services for close to $300 an hour for one shot. Take a look at their body pics and judge for yourself where you stand. I reckon that if you are above average in looks, at your 30s you may be able to command around $200 an hour a shot.
- Lastly, as a FL be prepared for lots of "fly areoplane" customers who will either not turn up at the time of appointment, making prank calls, petty thieves and even forcing you to do raw (without condom). Good luck!
And to clarify: WL (Working lady) actually refers to all ladies who are selling sexual services, regardless of the service provided, legal or not. FL (Freelance) is a subset of WL as these ladies do not operate legally.
- If you are new to this line, better to start off working for a OKT (pimp) to gain some experience first. Yes, you will earn less but at least there will be someone to properly assess your suitability, guide you face to face and do the coordination work for you.
- But if you want to jump into the deep pool straight away as a freelancer, then the price you can command will depend on your looks and the level of service you are willing to provide. If you take a look at the Local FL threads, you will notice that a number of FLs at their late 20s are offering their services for close to $300 an hour for one shot. Take a look at their body pics and judge for yourself where you stand. I reckon that if you are above average in looks, at your 30s you may be able to command around $200 an hour a shot.
- Lastly, as a FL be prepared for lots of "fly areoplane" customers who will either not turn up at the time of appointment, making prank calls, petty thieves and even forcing you to do raw (without condom). Good luck!
And to clarify: WL (Working lady) actually refers to all ladies who are selling sexual services, regardless of the service provided, legal or not. FL (Freelance) is a subset of WL as these ladies do not operate legally.
I can only help to answer the simplest question. WL refers to Working Lady who works under a legalized and licensed house in Geylang and Petain? where as a Freelance (FL) is illegally all on her own or work under a OKT without any licensed.
Hope this help
I am under the impression that Singaporean woman above 18 are not breaking any law if they become WL be it FL or in working in the red light district.
I am under the impression that Singaporean woman above 18 are not breaking any law if they become WL be it FL or in working in the red light district.
I could not find any answers from the stickies.
no idea abt local women, but if iunderstand correctly they r no local working in red light district? FL yes, and it is illegal. but i do not knwo what is the penalty to them if get caught, be it underage or above 18
- If you are new to this line, better to start off working for a OKT (pimp) to gain some experience first. Yes, you will earn less but at least there will be someone to properly assess your suitability, guide you face to face and do the coordination work for you.
- But if you want to jump into the deep pool straight away as a freelancer, then the price you can command will depend on your looks and the level of service you are willing to provide. If you take a look at the Local FL threads, you will notice that a number of FLs at their late 20s are offering their services for close to $300 an hour for one shot. Take a look at their body pics and judge for yourself where you stand. I reckon that if you are above average in looks, at your 30s you may be able to command around $200 an hour a shot.
- Lastly, as a FL be prepared for lots of "fly areoplane" customers who will either not turn up at the time of appointment, making prank calls, petty thieves and even forcing you to do raw (without condom). Good luck!
And to clarify: WL (Working lady) actually refers to all ladies who are selling sexual services, regardless of the service provided, legal or not. FL (Freelance) is a subset of WL as these ladies do not operate legally.
Dear mr. Harvest, thank you so much for the advice.
Very enlightening.
Okt stands for pimp in dialect? After reading what you have said about electing to work under a okt versus going into the deep pool, it did start me thinking.
However, though it would have been nice to be under the guidance or protection of an okt, if I am going to be doing this for long term or as a permanent sideline.
However time is not on my side as I do not have a source of income.
When couples divorce, the offsprings are always the ones that suffer the most, albeit silently. And the last I want to see, is my child having to "eat hardship" (literally mandarin translation) because of mummy's failure to give her a wholesome home.
I could ask my parents for help but honestly, who amongst us who are in our 30s would want to trouble our parents to provide and fend for us the same way they have been doing when we were younger before we got married etc.
Job search has not been very encouraging as well as I have been a stay home mum for 2-3 years since leaving my former job under my husband's advice.
My focus now is to do my best to earn as much as possible within the next 3-4 months and hope to be able to set aside a decent amount so as to start life anew and also to engage a lawyer for divorce. And to buy some time before I finally land a proper job. the matrimonial home will need to be sold as well which will take time. Depending how negotiations goes.
So very sorry to ramble on. Probably bored all the gentlemen here.
Once again thank you for kindly sharing
I could ask my parents for help but honestly, who amongst us who are in our 30s would want to trouble our parents to provide and fend for us the same way they have been doing when we were younger before we got married etc.
Job search has not been very encouraging as well as I have been a stay home mum for 2-3 years since leaving my former job under my husband's advice.
Rachel, I do not know the relationship between you and parents, but if it is above bad, do ask them for help. Do not go into this line lightly, take it as a last resort. It is time to find out who is your family and friends that are willing to help you through this tough period. They who cares will feel blessed to help you.
Dear mr. Harvest, thank you so much for the advice.
Very enlightening.
Okt stands for pimp in dialect? After reading what you have said about electing to work under a okt versus going into the deep pool, it did start me thinking.
However, though it would have been nice to be under the guidance or protection of an okt, if I am going to be doing this for long term or as a permanent sideline.
However time is not on my side as I do not have a source of income.
When couples divorce, the offsprings are always the ones that suffer the most, albeit silently. And the last I want to see, is my child having to "eat hardship" (literally mandarin translation) because of mummy's failure to give her a wholesome home.
I could ask my parents for help but honestly, who amongst us who are in our 30s would want to trouble our parents to provide and fend for us the same way they have been doing when we were younger before we got married etc.
Job search has not been very encouraging as well as I have been a stay home mum for 2-3 years since leaving my former job under my husband's advice.
My focus now is to do my best to earn as much as possible within the next 3-4 months and hope to be able to set aside a decent amount so as to start life anew and also to engage a lawyer for divorce. And to buy some time before I finally land a proper job. the matrimonial home will need to be sold as well which will take time. Depending how negotiations goes.
So very sorry to ramble on. Probably bored all the gentlemen here.
Once again thank you for kindly sharing
Yes Racheliew, OKT means pimp in Hokkien (乌龟头).
You can always start off under a OKT's wing first, gain some experience then proceed to branch out on your own. Many independent FLs you see in our local FL dome started off that way.
I can sympathize with what you are going through, as I came from a broken family myself. But like what roamerwh said, going into this line should only be the very last resort. Approaching your family or friends may seems shameful but only temporary, while being a WL you will have to bear a permanent psychological scar for the rest of your life. You will fear bumping into customers who may know your family members and threaten to expose you. And how are you gonna face your child when he/she grows up and finds out the truth one day?? Are you mentally ready for all these?
Yes, money is important to feed the young one but it is still advisable to cast your pride aside to seek help from your own parents/relatives/friends etc first, before plunging into the Dark Side of the Force...
Rachel, I do not know the relationship between you and parents, but if it is above bad, do ask them for help. Do not go into this line lightly, take it as a last resort. It is time to find out who is your family and friends that are willing to help you through this tough period. They who cares will feel blessed to help you.
Indeed yes you are right. That only in tough times, that we know who our true friends are.
Can't let my parents know; it would break their hearts. They were the ones who matchmade him and me. They liked him and felt that he is of a suitable family background and good match for me.
My dad has health issues and the last I want is to see them confront my husband or mediate. No parents wants to see their children divorce, if you know what I mean. The double whammy here is they were the ones who chose him and sought to "promote" him to me. Don't blame them at all. All parents want the best for their kids. Anyway the one who signed on the dotted line was me, not them. So it's also my own decision too.
As divorce is not underway yet which is obvious since I do need to get some sort of income to raise fees for a divorce lawyer. Can't go into proceedings unrepresented. Not for myself but to ensure that my child won't suffer.
I only regret leaving my job on his advice. Had I still been working, wouldn't need to do this at all. Have gone for interviews for types of jobs but to no avail. It's hard to post details why but the potential employers always inevitably rejects me despite a promising interview. In some cases, 2nd interviews too.
Even tried to go for menial labour kind of jobs like part time maids that are paid hourly, but employer felt I looked too gu niang or tai tai or too si boon (dunno what's the right word to use) to do a good job at cleaning. And that is just 1 of the many jobs I have gone for interviews for.
But thanks for your kind words. It is good advice but it is my misfortune that the advice can't be applied in my case.
You can always start off under a OKT's wing first, gain some experience then proceed to branch out on your own. Many independent FLs you see in our local FL dome started off that way.
I can sympathize with what you are going through, as I came from a broken family myself. But like what roamerwh said, going into this line should only be the very last resort. Approaching your family or friends may seems shameful but only temporary, while being a WL you will have to bear a permanent psychological scar for the rest of your life. You will fear bumping into customers who may know your family members and threaten to expose you. And how are you gonna face your child when he/she grows up and finds out the truth one day?? Are you mentally ready for all these?
Yes, money is important to feed the young one but it is still advisable to cast your pride aside to seek help from your own parents/relatives/friends etc first, before plunging into the Dark Side of the Force...
Hi
Yes what you said succinctly describes my exact fears. Especially pertaining to my child. For me, bearing the psychological scars is nothing. I'm willing to, for my child. As I have posted before, for various reasons seeking help from family is an issue.
I did ask myself what if my child chance upon the truth many years on later, would I be able to face my child ? I believe in the philosophy that I gave birth to my kid after 9 months of pregnancy, and that since I chose to bring my child into this world, I have a responsibility to ensure she is taken care of regardless of what I have to do. In mandarin they have a saying , Yao sheng Yao hui yang. If u wanna give birth, u need to bring them up is the literal translation.
Should I become an outcast in my child's eyes, look down upon or despised or hated, I'll still bear that cross and willingly bear it. And hope for understanding one day. Even if it never comes, at least my conscience is clear; I did not lie, did not cheat, did not steal to obtain the means to bring my child up.
I believe no one woman grows up with an ambition to be a FL. The many FLs I have read about these few days, I believe is using this as a means to earn an income. Maybe some are in it because they wish to purchase some luxury item etc.
But I believe that even then, these women are all looking to supplement their income or earn more in the hope of a better life. And i also believe longevity of such a "career" is not long term.
Having been from a broken family, you would know no parents steps into marriage with the aim to get a divorce. No woman sets out wanting to be a single mother. Despite those tags of single mother by "choice". At the end of the day, they just want to do good by their child.
Indeed yes you are right. That only in tough times, that we know who our true friends are.
Can't let my parents know; it would break their hearts. They were the ones who matchmade him and me. They liked him and felt that he is of a suitable family background and good match for me.
My dad has health issues and the last I want is to see them confront my husband or mediate. No parents wants to see their children divorce, if you know what I mean. The double whammy here is they were the ones who chose him and sought to "promote" him to me. Don't blame them at all. All parents want the best for their kids. Anyway the one who signed on the dotted line was me, not them. So it's also my own decision too.
As divorce is not underway yet which is obvious since I do need to get some sort of income to raise fees for a divorce lawyer. Can't go into proceedings unrepresented. Not for myself but to ensure that my child won't suffer.
I only regret leaving my job on his advice. Had I still been working, wouldn't need to do this at all. Have gone for interviews for types of jobs but to no avail. It's hard to post details why but the potential employers always inevitably rejects me despite a promising interview. In some cases, 2nd interviews too.
Even tried to go for menial labour kind of jobs like part time maids that are paid hourly, but employer felt I looked too gu niang or tai tai or too si boon (dunno what's the right word to use) to do a good job at cleaning. And that is just 1 of the many jobs I have gone for interviews for.
But thanks for your kind words. It is good advice but it is my misfortune that the advice can't be applied in my case.
Hi sis. If ur worry is on legal matter. Mayb u can take a look at this.
Hi
Yes what you said succinctly describes my exact fears. Especially pertaining to my child. For me, bearing the psychological scars is nothing. I'm willing to, for my child. As I have posted before, for various reasons seeking help from family is an issue.
I did ask myself what if my child chance upon the truth many years on later, would I be able to face my child ? I believe in the philosophy that I gave birth to my kid after 9 months of pregnancy, and that since I chose to bring my child into this world, I have a responsibility to ensure she is taken care of regardless of what I have to do. In mandarin they have a saying , Yao sheng Yao hui yang. If u wanna give birth, u need to bring them up is the literal translation.
Should I become an outcast in my child's eyes, look down upon or despised or hated, I'll still bear that cross and willingly bear it. And hope for understanding one day. Even if it never comes, at least my conscience is clear; I did not lie, did not cheat, did not steal to obtain the means to bring my child up.
I believe no one woman grows up with an ambition to be a FL. The many FLs I have read about these few days, I believe is using this as a means to earn an income. Maybe some are in it because they wish to purchase some luxury item etc.
But I believe that even then, these women are all looking to supplement their income or earn more in the hope of a better life. And i also believe longevity of such a "career" is not long term.
Having been from a broken family, you would know no parents steps into marriage with the aim to get a divorce. No woman sets out wanting to be a single mother. Despite those tags of single mother by "choice". At the end of the day, they just want to do good by their child.
Thought only super beauties or super bodies applies to or tries to find sugar daddies?
Maybe I just never thought of any men who would want to pay a
Fixed amount each month. And I'm assuming unlimited access, having to spend nights? It's like being a mistress isn't it?
While I'm very presentable and definitely able to be brought out to professional functions, I didn't think a man who could afford to pay would want a 35 years old with a kid? Esp when she can't really spend nights out? Drinking till late is fine. Not going home at all is not.
07-03-2016, 10:35 AM
