Issue with ICA

[SureScore]

Originally Posted by F-boy

I like to ask about info on white card.
Only indicate is an residential address, name of so called boyfriend also not needed.
Pray tell how can they assess so much info based on an address? They know the boyfriend marital status etc etc?
Also was told it is taboo to change address info on white card....best to still to the same address used previously as ICA have the record....knn people cannot move house one meh?

When the ICA officer speaks to the VB, officer will ask who owns the house mentioned in the address. If you can mentioned the name of owner then they can confirmed and impressed. If you mentioned someone who don't own the properties then bingo you got it right.

If the person referenced in the white card is a HDB owner then the officer can tell if he is married very fast? You can definitely move house but officer still can tell who is the owner. Remember officer don't want VB to come here to steal another person husband, earn illegal money, whoring and commit crime.

Singaporeans database are fully connected whereby all government offices can get access into the details right from point of entry to exit. Example, if you have a traffic fine on a certain day 10 years ago, the record will still be there. Even a library fine still has records.

[Dragon1]

Originally Posted by shysaint

JUst to relate my wife then gf encounter ...

Off : DO you know that your BF is MARRIED ?
WIFE : Yes , I know he is Married BUT he DIVORCED already!

Off : HOw long her divorced already?
WIFE : ABout 2 Years.

Off : Lucky you know your bf and he is Divorced already, IF NOT I WILL SEND YOU BACK NOW !

Just to relate another case of my friend which I help to appeal.

Trip before Banned.

Off : WHo is he ?
VB : He is my BF ...

Off : oh okie ....

Next Trip :

Off : Go Office.
Off : Come here for WHAT?
VB : COme here see BF (BF reference same as previous trip)
Off : DO you Know he is MARRIED ?
VB : Hmmmm ...
OFF : WHY ? You come here break his Family har ?
VB : No ...
OFF : Okie . I be sending u back to VN ... BANNED 1 Year ....

Another case for sharing:

VB was called into office:

OFF : Come here for what?
VB : See friend.
OFF : So this Reference is your friend?
VB : Yes.
OFF : WHere will you be staying ?
VB : Dunno Yet, my friend waiting outside for me will bring me go find hotel to stay.

OFF called my friend.

OFF : IS xxx your friend?
FRiend : Yes.
OFF : Can tell me where will she be staying?
Friend : Dunno yet. I suppose to bring her find hotel and check-in.
OFF : Oh okie .. Thank you.

Outcome : VB NEVER come out of Immigration to meet my friend .. GUESS send back ...

Another summary of a few VB being sent back becasue of house raids ...

2 was brought back to POlice stationed ... BF came to bring them out with their passport as they are NOT staying at that raided apartment.

REsult .. Send back and BANNED for 7 mths.


The pointers that I always share :

1. Don't think "THEY" are stupid ...

2. They can let you OFF initially BUT doesn't mean next trip you CAN be lucky .... WHY i say so .. sometimes they let you go thru, BUT they will do background CHecks after that on the so called BF ... if okie .. subsequent should not be problem , if got problem .. GooD LucK to the VB ...

Note : For my case ... my marital status was check on the spot when my wife then GF was called into office.

3. PLease do not be HERO to get free F**K IF you are Married and be the sponsor of the VB ... for whatever reason you maybe risking her chance to earn $$$ back to support her family back home.

4. Declare BF sometimes doesn't MEAN Anything !

5. What to bring in your Gal(s) ?? BE SINGLE ! LEGALLY DIVORCED ! ELse don't Risk your Gal Especially she may soon be your WIFE ... Yes there are cases which they accept Deed of Seperation ... BUT it is NOT always and it is NOT Foolproof .... it depends on the OFF ...

Yes, very well, I understand your cases you put forwards. What I am trying to bring out, is that the officer said that they are not going to interfere into personal matters. They access the girls base on immigration rules. But what you put forwards, is they are accessing the girls base on the man personal matters...???

We bring our friends or girlfriends, is our personal matters. Is this an immigration issues???

[SureScore]

Originally Posted by Dragon1

We bring our friends or girlfriends, is our personal matters. Is this an immigration issues???

Definitely it is an immigration matter if she is coming in as a foreigner and coming in often. ICA officer can grant a limited number of days stay to a foreigner on tourist visa per year. Otherwise she needs to have a valid visa to stay longer in this country such as LTSV, WP, S-PAss, E-Pass, PR.

[Dragon1]

Originally Posted by SureScore

Definitely it is an immigration matter if she is coming in as a foreigner and coming in often. ICA officer can grant a limited number of days stay to a foreigner on tourist visa per year. Otherwise she needs to have a valid visa to stay longer in this country such as LTSV, WP, S-PAss, E-Pass, PR.

If the ICA officer access the VN base on the number of days per year entry, yes that is immigration matter. The officer have said, they are not interfering into personal matters, only immigration matter.

Base on Shysaint cases & my own personal encounter, whether you are married or singles, & have foreigner GF, this is our personal matters ----- not immigration issues...

And after banning the VN due to the man problems is not going solve anythings..... the officers penalty the girls - the man can still look for another girls.... And all these is social matters or our personal wrong doing ----- not immigration matters.

[SureScore]

Originally Posted by Dragon1

Base on Shysaint cases & my own personal encounter, whether you are married or singles, & have foreigner GF, this is our personal matters ----- not immigration issues...

You can always viist her in Vn. Spilt between Singapore and Vietnam can keep your relationship going. Good luck.

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by F-boy

I like to ask about info on white card.
Only indicate is an residential address, name of so called boyfriend also not needed.
Pray tell how can they assess so much info based on an address? They know the boyfriend marital status etc etc?
Also was told it is taboo to change address info on white card....best to still to the same address used previously as ICA have the record....knn people cannot move house one meh?

Bro Surescore have answer you ...

just a point to note ..

YEs , no contact are asked on the form ...

It is just a practised that the gals wrote on it to increase credibility.

Just have a thought , what will happen if they asked ... the gal will be stuck and the wala ... chances reduce ... simply reason, the gal are not staying in hotel ...

it's just the credibility and trust issue.

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by Dragon1

Yes, very well, I understand your cases you put forwards. What I am trying to bring out, is that the officer said that they are not going to interfere into personal matters. They access the girls base on immigration rules. But what you put forwards, is they are accessing the girls base on the man personal matters...???

We bring our friends or girlfriends, is our personal matters. Is this an immigration issues???

Bro surescore have answer you... but i just wanna add my thought ...

Yes , it is personal issue .. but then before it can be become personal issue .. it is immigration issue 1st ... if you can't clear that hurdle ,, you can't get married, you can;t see parents, you can't work . you can't do many things in singapore whether legal or illegal ...

perhaps you have done any appeal yet .. when they reject your appeal if there is .. the reason is : Due to Security of Singapore and to safeguard the country interest, the officer have the 1st cut to deny an entry if they deem so ..

so is this a personal issue or immigration issue .. you have to judge ...

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by Dragon1

And after banning the VN due to the man problems is not going solve anythings..... the officers penalty the girls - the man can still look for another girls.... And all these is social matters or our personal wrong doing ----- not immigration matters.

Bro ...

You don;t come Singapore then it's not Singapore Immigration Issue loh .. simply ...

ICA is not here to solve your personal interest ... if look for other gals, then the other also banned , than too bad ...

LIke I said .. before it becomes personal , the 1st step you have to go thru is immigration which is immigration issue 1st ...

after that the gal wants to commit commits crime, sell herself , or whatever , it become police issue and then immgration issue to depot her and export her ...

personal issue will get involve when we try to fight the case, appeal the case .. and so on ..

next why governement limits PR applciation ... so what u got wife ?? so what you got children ... its the immigration issue or national issue whether can the new immigrant contribute to the nations , no whether the wife can take good care of you ... if you divorce or broke off , its not their problem ... if divorce then lawyer issue ...

so based on your personal issue, it can translate into immigration issue ...

Even if you wants to be Vietnamese, same things applies ... if you cannot contribute to the VN society , why make them think they want you to be a Vietnam ...

so think again .. which interest is of priority ... UR personal INterest or the nAtin Interest ?

[F-boy]

I doubt the database is so well connected.
There was an instance my friend's wife who married here with kid in tow (born here) but never hold a green card was refused entry and forced to produce marriage cert!
Knn if so well connected even can access housing records then no need ask for marriage cert as proof right?
There were news of local criminals able to pass customs also...if all databases connected all these would have been red flagged instantly.

Originally Posted by SureScore

When the ICA officer speaks to the VB, officer will ask who owns the house mentioned in the address. If you can mentioned the name of owner then they can confirmed and impressed. If you mentioned someone who don't own the properties then bingo you got it right.

If the person referenced in the white card is a HDB owner then the officer can tell if he is married very fast? You can definitely move house but officer still can tell who is the owner. Remember officer don't want VB to come here to steal another person husband, earn illegal money, whoring and commit crime.

Singaporeans database are fully connected whereby all government offices can get access into the details right from point of entry to exit. Example, if you have a traffic fine on a certain day 10 years ago, the record will still be there. Even a library fine still has records.

[SureScore]

Originally Posted by F-boy

I doubt the database is so well connected.
There was an instance my friend's wife who married here with kid in tow (born here) but never hold a green card was refused entry and forced to produce marriage cert!

May I asked you why the kid is not travelling on Singapore passport since he was born here. I am slightly confused here? Who was refused entry, friend's wife or kid?

[lugi]

Originally Posted by shysaint

Possibility :

1. Bf is married ...
2. Bf got police case ...

U might want to search my previous sharing on this ...

This is what the vb told me today.

She remembered that the officer told her can come Singapore only 2 years later. I assume that means banned for 2 years.

That's quite a lengthy ban especially she was not caught for any illegal activities. Just an address on a white card for a ban of 2 years?

She also said bf was asked by officer whether he is a bachelor. Bf said yes, in actual fact he is a divorcee. She asked me is this lying?

She said bf passport was also taken by officer don know for what.

She said later one woman officer told bf (say got 2 stone like this) on the shoulder, I suppose it's the rank, told the bf can write appeal at ICA.

As I just writing this, the bf asked me whether bachelor same as divorcee? Haha

[phua chu kang]

Originally Posted by lugi

As I just writing this, the bf asked me whether bachelor same as divorcee? Haha

Me PCK says legally divorced considered bachelor la.

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by lugi

This is what the vb told me today.

She remembered that the officer told her can come Singapore only 2 years later. I assume that means banned for 2 years.

That's quite a lengthy ban especially she was not caught for any illegal activities. Just an address on a white card for a ban of 2 years?

She also said bf was asked by officer whether he is a bachelor. Bf said yes, in actual fact he is a divorcee. She asked me is this lying?

She said bf passport was also taken by officer don know for what.

She said later one woman officer told bf (say got 2 stone like this) on the shoulder, I suppose it's the rank, told the bf can write appeal at ICA.

As I just writing this, the bf asked me whether bachelor same as divorcee? Haha

Technically divorcee is bachelor ...

However in marital status declaration, if got divorcee option , the best is choose that instead of single. You never know the person interpreting it , it is like marriage n applying ltvp or pr , u have to produce the divorce certificate beside the usual marriage certificate.

My wife always carry our marriage certificate coz when flying out of Vietnam, the checking officer will check the Vietnamese citizen proof of marriage as leaving the country . And now my wife will carry along my daughter's citizenship certificate although there is a Singapore right of entry chop on her Vietnamese passport.

[ICAlaw101]

Bro,

IMS/DXXXXX means that your fren has a previous encounter with ICA due to her police, MOM or immigration history. She is blacklisted and needs a proper appeal to be done for her to come into Singapore again.

This is known as a request for consent to Enter Singapore.

Originally Posted by sirbrian

1) Charlie met Moon 2yrs ago in China when he was already going through a real rough divorce on his first marriage.

2) During the last 2 years that Charlie is in contact with Moon, he flies to China at least 3-4 times a year to see Moon. At the same time he learns about Moon's family and her Singapore history from herself:
2.1) Moon was deported from Singapore back to China 3.5years ago (Mid 2008).
2.2) Moon was caught on the streets in GL after leaving work in a pub.
2.1) In Moon's passport, an ICA stamp with IMS/DXXXXXX was stamped.
2.4) Moon recalled that an ICA officer told the her (and a group of others) that they are not allowed to enter into Singapore and Malaysia for three (3) years.

3) Ben divorced finalised mid 2010 and he decided to marry Moon on Sept 2010 despite know the truth. They got married in China since Moon can enter into Singapore yet last year. All certificates endorsed by Singapore Embassy too.

4) As the lovely couple thought that the three (3) years ban as been over since mid this year (mid 2011), ther decided to apply for a visit visa in s Singapore Embassy in China when he visited her in Sep 2011. Embassy rejected the application and advised Charlie to go back to Singapore to ICA and appeal for entry due to his wife's record.

5) Charlie submitted an appeal a month ago, and received a reply letter a few days ago that the appeal is rejected.

6) Charlie requested a call from the undersigning officer.

7) Officer called and mentioned the following:
7.1) Moon's ban is more than 3 years, but it is not forever too. The ban period could not be disclosed.
7.2) Charlie was advised not to appeal within the next 6 months if there is no better grounds.
7.3) Unless there is better grounds, the appeal will be rejected within the next 6 months at least.
7.4) Officer said that no ICA officer will mentioned the ban period (eg. 3 years ago)

Charlie and Moon are distraught over this as it has been so tough on them to explain why they are not together to their immediate families. Charlie has a very good career, earning more than 5k a month. Charlie is a Singaporean.

Hope al Snr Bros can share some knowledge and advise, eg what is "IMS/DXXXXXX", what is the most likely ban period, and what is the best solution to appeal? Thanks a million on behalf of Charlie.

And lastly, pls no nasty remarks about their marriage, as even I as his best friend does not mind about Moon's past and I know they are for real.

[Golden question]

Would like to share some points on whether is personal or country issue on whether foreign country girl who have a sg boyfriend should be allow to come in.I do agree from what bro shysaint point out.

I use to face all this but not whether she can come in to sg or not but during that time i apply for her LTVP.She have been ask only once to office before at airport.She told me she very scare cos she dont speak english well and those girls who was ask to go in have to stand a row like criminal.

Luckily i prepare her on what to say or show to that officer and that officer did not ask much except why was she here.Maybe she is also lucky to met a good officer,so sometime is really depends on luck which officer your girl met.

I can understand bro who feel very unfair and angry as to why our ICA officer was so inhuman as to not allowing her to enter sg after u have spend money to buy for her air ticket for her to come,miss her and hope to see her but in the end,she was send back.

I was feeling angry when i apply for my wife LTVP.Get ready all the document and have to go there sit for at least half a day to get my turn to submit.If dont have or not enough document,was ask to go back and get and come back another day.Like beg them like that but after some time i came to understand that they are still doing their job and several reason lead to all this