Fetish/Role Play/BDSM in HC

[BornHentai]

Originally Posted by onsenmaster

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Alternatively, you can choose to stay overnight at the love hotel and use it as your play area as well.

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Good post, I'l just like to point out one pitfall of staying overnight in a love hotel. That is that, for most if not all of them, they will consider your "stay" to have ended when you leave the hotel.

There is no way to check into a room, go out for a meal or something, and then go back to your room since they will have cleaned it and made it available for someone else (meaning that you'll have to pay again).

A related point is that a lot of SM club Dommes will want to meet you somewhere public (e,g. a cafe) to vet you and find out your interests before going to a love hotel. This would especially apply if you are going to the club for the first time.

But I don't see why you couldn't just meet the Domme at the cafe, go to the love hotel and then just stay the night there after the session.

I joined La Siora in 2007 when they still offered on-premises sessions, so I'm not sure about their procedure for new members now. I also didn't make contact with Prezis through normal channels so I can't comment on this.

But normally at a Mistress Club you sign up as a member when you first meet the Domme face-to-face (e.g. at a cafe).

[BornHentai]

Originally Posted by HoundDo9

Bro Born,

At first I wasn't thinkingo of asking, but could you shead some light on what happened? Communication error? Expectation error? Execution error? ( no pun intended ). Basically knowing what you know now could you have predicted it? Or did you just not click during the session?

Appologes for the personal questions!

HD.

No problem, this forum is kind of about personal things!

I thought long and hard about whether to post this, since it is likely to hurt this Domme's business and livelihood. But I think that people should know what happened so that they can make informed decisions about who to see.

So I'll give a full report on it.

I don't know what this board's policy is on negative reviews. I searched for a sticky but couldn't find it. So moderators, if I am breaking some rule in this post, my apologies, and I won't hold it against you if you edit this post.

This was years ago, but it still stands out in my memory as easily my worst SM session ever. It my first ever experience of SM in Japan (but I was already quite an experienced player). It was with Akiho of La Siora, back in the days when they did sessions in an apartment in Shinjuku. At that time I had only very basic spoken Japanese, and my written Japanese was even worse. So I had written an email in English outlining the type of session I would like to have.

I'll start with a positive, she was there on time. However from there it only went downhill. To start with, it was completely obvious that she hadn't read my emailed session outline at all (or perhaps she hadn't received it). So I had to go through everything again with her with her in the room. This was helped by a bilingual play checklist that she had with her, but hampered by the fact that her English was not very good at all (as opposed to what was claimed on the website). At that time I had only lived in Japan for a couple of months, and had absolutely zero Japanese ability when I first arrived, but we ended up negotiating in Japanese because my very limited Japanese was still better than her English.

Without going into specifics, it was quickly apparent that she was quite unenthusiastic about the style of session I was after. This was odd since the receptionist (Hiromi) had recommended her to me after being emailed a session outline identical to what I outlined verbally to Akiho. At this point, I would have aborted the session if I could, but since I had already made a booking, I decided it would be unfair to her to do so (maybe she would have been able to pick up another client had I not booked), and decided to go through with it anyway and hope for the best.

However, in spite of this, she still tried to upsell me to book a longer session than the minimum 70 minutes.

In the email exchange, I had asked if I could have an enema before the session (since it involved anal play and it's bad karma to make someone push poo). They said that they had enemas and I could do this before the session. Akiho did give me an enema, but deducted the 15 minutes that I spent in the bathroom by myself out of the 70 minutes session time (I wish that I had known about this ahead of time so I could have just gone to the pharmacy, bought an enema myself and taken care of the business before arriving). She also took the initial negotiation and the showers before and after the session out of the 70 minutes.

So a sizeable chunk of the 70 minutes was wasted on negotiation, where I said nothing that I hadn't already made clear in my email, and doing something that I could have done at home (doing the right thing by her and getting clean).

Out of the remaining time, she did the whole session extremely mechanically and half-heartedly, and what she did was quite different from what we had negotiated (so that time was wasted too). While not breaking any limits, she focused on things that I had told her I only had a minor interest in, and didn't spend much time on anal play (even though I had told her I hoped to focus on it in the session, and spent a considerable amount of session time in the bathroom on my own getting ready for it). With about 10 minutes remaining in the 70 minutes, and without me having come, or really having got that turned on at all, Akiho sent me back to the shower to wash and get changed.

The worst thing was, after the session, Akiho made no effort to try and get any feedback from me about the session. In fact, when I pointed out that she hadn't done the kind of session we talked about in our negotiation, she rather rudely said to me that "nothing can be done about it". In spite of how bad the session was, I might even have booked a second session with her if she had showed a real willingness to improve.

Instead I felt really hurt, and walked out of there feeling worse than when I walked in. Not only had I wasted a lot of money with nothing to show for it, but I had also shared a very personal part of myself with someone that obviously didn't care at all. The incident left such a bad taste in my mouth that for years I didn't session with any Japanese Dommes in spite of living in the country, thinking that they were all just out to get the cash with as little effort as possible And I still haven't been back to La Siora, even though I'm now quite an active player elsewhere in Tokyo.

If I had had the chance to talk with her without having to commit to a session, then I could have avoided the whole problem. I had agreed with the receptionist's recommendation to choose Akiho because her profile said that she had a "flexible BDSM view" and also spoke English well. Less than 5 minutes face to face would have been enough for me to that neither of these were true and I would never have sessioned with her.

Now I would only ever do a Mistress Club session with someone that I had previously met in an SM bar. The money that I spend on entrance / drinks is kind of like insurance, and has often saved me from wasting time and money booking a session that wouldn't have worked out. And sometimes it's the other way around, when I am pleasantly surprised to click with someone I thought I would have had no chemistry with just from reading their Internet profile.

Hate to post a negative review as one of my first posts on this forum. There are a lot of other Dommes from other clubs that I can post more positive reviews of, and hope to to do so soon.

[calbts]

Bro Bornhentai-

I understand your situation. I think in your case it was a combination of miscommunication and maybe a trepidation on your part since it was one of your first sessions in Japan. But maybe I am wrong.

I cannot tell you how many different Japanese Mistresses I have sessioned with in the last 15 years - maybe 100 or so.

I am always looking for that new experience with new Mistresses so I too have had some horrible first sessions. Normally I just chalk it up as a disappointment - will not see that Mistress again - and move on. This was the case with Mistress Yui. I had such high expectations and she was so aloof and non communicative in our session. What a letdown. When I watch her videos now I feel she is really just acting.

Other times the energy is just not there between the two of us for whatever reason.

Then there are situations where you have one or two excellent (or maybe even more ) sessions and then the energy peaks and I feel a need to move on to another Mistress.

For example I sessioned alot with Mistress Shinju in 2003-2004. Then I felt we had reached our peak. It was nobody's fault nor did she do anything bad - I just wanted to move on. I have not seen her since then.

Same with Mistress Benio - I saw her many many times during 2005-2007. Although I am very curious to what it would be like to call up Sweet devil and schedule a session with her now. I would love to see the look on her face after not seeing her for what is almost 6 years.
Then of course you find a Mistress that just clicks with you and you rmind and you crave for more. You can also tell that that particular Mistress is really "getting off" on the energy and is not faking it. Right now I got this with Mistress Ruiko. How long it will last I do not know but while it does - I will definitely take advantage.

I think one thing I have going for me is that my type of sessions are very fun for Mistress. I am not into the heavy whipping/pain/bondage/enema etc. games so advanced SM skills are not really required for what I like. But a good, positive, and willing attitude is.

Don't know if you are aware that La Siora does keep information in their files of client preferences and past sessions. Of course it is by number and not name so clients do remain anonymous. I always tell them to have new Mistresses review my data before session so that they know what I want. This helps a great deal for my initial sessions. I would assume other clubs also keep this data on their clients.

Originally Posted by calbts

Bro Bornhentai-

I understand your situation. I think in your case it was a combination of miscommunication and maybe a trepidation on your part since it was one of your first sessions in Japan. But maybe I am wrong.

I cannot tell you how many different Japanese Mistresses I have sessioned with in the last 15 years - maybe 100 or so.

I am always looking for that new experience with new Mistresses so I too have had some horrible first sessions. Normally I just chalk it up as a disappointment - will not see that Mistress again - and move on. This was the case with Mistress Yui. I had such high expectations and she was so aloof and non communicative in our session. What a letdown. When I watch her videos now I feel she is really just acting.

Other times the energy is just not there between the two of us for whatever reason.

Then there are situations where you have one or two excellent (or maybe even more ) sessions and then the energy peaks and I feel a need to move on to another Mistress.

For example I sessioned alot with Mistress Shinju in 2003-2004. Then I felt we had reached our peak. It was nobody's fault nor did she do anything bad - I just wanted to move on. I have not seen her since then.

Same with Mistress Benio - I saw her many many times during 2005-2007. Although I am very curious to what it would be like to call up Sweet devil and schedule a session with her now. I would love to see the look on her face after not seeing her for what is almost 6 years.
Then of course you find a Mistress that just clicks with you and you rmind and you crave for more. You can also tell that that particular Mistress is really "getting off" on the energy and is not faking it. Right now I got this with Mistress Ruiko. How long it will last I do not know but while it does - I will definitely take advantage.

I think one thing I have going for me is that my type of sessions are very fun for Mistress. I am not into the heavy whipping/pain/bondage/enema etc. games so advanced SM skills are not really required for what I like. But a good, positive, and willing attitude is.

Don't know if you are aware that La Siora does keep information in their files of client preferences and past sessions. Of course it is by number and not name so clients do remain anonymous. I always tell them to have new Mistresses review my data before session so that they know what I want. This helps a great deal for my initial sessions. I would assume other clubs also keep this data on their clients.

so how much had you spent totally on dommes all these years?

[calbts]

Oh god that is one number I don't really want to know. I would rather just remember the experiences

[BornHentai]

Originally Posted by calbts

Bro Bornhentai-

I understand your situation. I think in your case it was a combination of miscommunication and maybe a trepidation on your part since it was one of your first sessions in Japan. But maybe I am wrong.

I can't remember having any trepidation at all, since I was pretty experienced already. Miscommunication maybe but I'm not sure it was my fault. I had spelled things out very clearly in my email. I put it down to her having a very narrow view of SM (the exact opposite of what her profile) and just automatically giving up when presented with something outside that, providing absolutely lousy service (completely blatant clockwatching, ignoring my session requests, total unwillingness to bother with any kind of post session feedback)

Originally Posted by calbts

Then of course you find a Mistress that just clicks with you and you rmind and you crave for more. You can also tell that that particular Mistress is really "getting off" on the energy and is not faking it. Right now I got this with Mistress Ruiko. How long it will last I do not know but while it does - I will definitely take advantage.

I have not sessioned with Ruiko but my Japanese friends speak VERY highly of her. I've bumped into her at Eureka and am not sure whether there is chemistry there or not. If I ever did another session at La Siora then it would probably be with her. Should point out that she speaks zero English though.

Originally Posted by calbts

I think one thing I have going for me is that my type of sessions are very fun for Mistress. I am not into the heavy whipping/pain/bondage/enema etc. games so advanced SM skills are not really required for what I like. But a good, positive, and willing attitude is.

Wouldn't say that my style demands any advanced physical skills either. Everything I look for in a Domme is mental.

Originally Posted by calbts

Don't know if you are aware that La Siora does keep information in their files of client preferences and past sessions. Of course it is by number and not name so clients do remain anonymous. I always tell them to have new Mistresses review my data before session so that they know what I want. This helps a great deal for my initial sessions. I would assume other clubs also keep this data on their clients.

Any Japanese Mistress Club worth its salt does this. But I highly doubt that Akiho would have entered anything constructive in mine, or would have bothered to pay attention to it (if it hadn't been my first time at La Siora).

[calbts]

Originally Posted by BornHentai

I have not sessioned with Ruiko but my Japanese friends speak VERY highly of her. I've bumped into her at Eureka and am not sure whether there is chemistry there or not. If I ever did another session at La Siora then it would probably be with her. Should point out that she speaks zero English though.

Yes I would definitely take advantage of getting the chance to talk with her at Eureka first. I did not have those opportunities but lucked out in that she is exactly what I desire- looks, mannerisms, attitude - in a Mistress. My Japanese level is not as good as when I was living there, but in session we communicate in more ways than verbal language. At times I am just in a trance when sitting at her feet.

As far as Mistress Akiho - I met her in person at the office when she was in training. Never really felt the desire to session with her.
There have been some very positive reports if her here in the past.

Again - to each his own

[blacknyellow]

I appreciate our community's great admiration of Japanese dommes. They are of the finest calibre. I have experienced the services of 4 Japanese dommes to date.

Even though she was raised in the US, Mistress Sayako is of Japanese parentage and that she will be arriving in Singapore this Tuesday 4th March. She is a popular Mistress here & she gets booked up fairly soon so if you haven't done so, you ought to make a booking.

Mistress Sayako has warned to imagine that my ass is like a loaf of bread....and she wants a slice of it with her big black strap on!!!! God help me!

Here is the link to her website.

B 'n' Y

[HoundDo9]

Originally Posted by nylust

Great summary! Thanks! Can you describe what kind of play goes on in a place like Eureka? Whippings? Bondage? CBT? Strap-on?

Anything and everything. Bro Born have pointed out the legal issues, and that gold rarely is an option. I've seen everything from water boarding to face sitting ( and the face chair was crying and begging fairly quickly, or should I say as much as he could get a sound out ), limits are pushed, prodded and moved but not broken.

Have a look at the whips on the wall, if you're asked to pick one don't make the mistake assuming it's not for you.

HD.

[raygoat]

Actually I wonder how many are serving mistress sayako frequently? In my opinion, she is good. I had to return to her everytime she visit sometimes twice. Seldom write juicy FR about her as it will take ages describing it and also am not good in it. Seems like everytime she visit, quite a number of people try to serve her but all kept quiet here. Only I saw BnY who is a hardcore fan of mistress Sayako, I can understand why as I am also one of them. But where's the others? I wonder? �� A lot of Japan scene FR the last few days, too bad I cannot go Japan alone. So the closest I can get is waiting for mistress sayako. Actually come to think of it, not that bad as she is like a combination of both Japan and US Bdsm. Her English is good so no language barrier. Her session is intense if you are into it and will keep you thinking about her after the session. She got lots of tools and cleaned. I can't recall how many pairs of gloves and condoms she used on me for one session. Her website picture is took when she is younger . I actually prefer her now as she looks more matured and has an air of elegance. He will look deep into your eyes while doing nasty things to you. She respect slaves limit and I think I can trust her when having a session with her . A lot of emotion and connections I feel in a session with her. Sorry for the big chunk of text as key in using smart phone. ��.
Have a nice weekend everyone.

[totolim]

Agree with "to each his own"
two persons can walk away with differing views of a session with the same mistress. After all, we all have different fetishes and expectations.

As for the "peaking feeling", I do experience that at times with a mistress I session rather frequently with, so my fix is try sessions with other mistresses to achieve a "balanced" diet

Originally Posted by calbts

Yes I would definitely take advantage of getting the chance to talk with her at Eureka first. I did not have those opportunities but lucked out in that she is exactly what I desire- looks, mannerisms, attitude - in a Mistress. My Japanese level is not as good as when I was living there, but in session we communicate in more ways than verbal language. At times I am just in a trance when sitting at her feet.

As far as Mistress Akiho - I met her in person at the office when she was in training. Never really felt the desire to session with her.
There have been some very positive reports if her here in the past.

Again - to each his own

[BornHentai]

Originally Posted by calbts

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As far as Mistress Akiho - I met her in person at the office when she was in training. Never really felt the desire to session with her.
There have been some very positive reports if her here in the past.

Again - to each his own

I could see Akiho appealing to two types of sub. Firstly the pure sensation seeker, and secondly the "martyr" type of sub whose headspace is to willingly suffer pain in order to please the Mistress, possibly "in exchange" for some type of reward.

Unfortunately, she just couldn't seem to be bothered at all when it came to other things.

[HoundDo9]

Originally Posted by BornHentai

No problem, this forum is kind of about personal things!

Bro Born,

Thank you for write about your first session in Japan. 

I'm sorry to hear how wrong it all went, but it seems likely to me that an large reason for what happens is a mix of circumstance, language, translation and timing. 

I've re-written this reply a few times as I think you cover what transpired quite clearly and after all I have no knowledge outside of your post. 

In my experience it seems you did everything right. Communicated with the office, outlined your session expectations and they recommended/assigned what they thought would to be an good fit. But sometimes what works on paper doesn't translate to magic in a room. 

The time management side is hard though, especially for your first time, and the session time is the bare bone minimal. I always read the rates page as 20,000円/70m = 60 m play time and 10 m to meet, greet, talk and ideally shower. Once again this could be my error. I honestly don't think the receptionist know much of what happens in the room ( these days even more so ). Normally, as I'm sure you now know, once you enter the room they will call the office and the clock starts ticking, any thing you can do to prepare ahead is a bonus. That's why a lot of Japanese clients check in, call in there room number and then shower.

I agree strongly that visiting a SM bar will prepare you better for the SM scene, but while many mistresses in the SM bars also belong to an club the language is probably the biggest issue. The experience of trying to communicate about fetish interests using language where neither is comfortable is hard. 

I remember in a bar trying to correct a mistress who in broken English was trying to explain Kinbaku, when she used the term hanging.
- In English we use the word "suspenssion" I said.
- and I like bondage and suspension, I boldly stated.
She got up, walked over to an big bookshelf and picked up a book and brought it over to the couch we where sitting on.
- this is hanging in Japan, she said pointing to an elaborate Kinbaku picture of a body suspended by asanawa rope.
- this is suspension in Japan, she said pointing to another page with a picture of a body suspended in the air by hooks through the skin.
- hanging, I quickly corrected my previous statement, I like hanging! 

Like many of the other members on this forum I've seen Ms Akiho, and I can only say that in my experience she is an excellent mistess who truly loves playing. She is an well rounded player that in my experience adjust her sessions to fit the submissives level. 

While her English is light years ahead of my Japanese, it's not perfect. Despite that I have never experienced any problems while communicating with her.
But in my experience Mistresses that speaks almost perfect English can often have a significant lower comprehension of read and write. In Japan English is thought using Katakana and most Japanese people don't read English well.
Nuances can easily get lost, as to my understanding Japanese lacks the English language subtle undertones. I'm sure it's still there but it's probably conveyed in a different way. 

It's good to hear you found a way back in to the scene, it would have been a shame if you missed out on the rich scene while living there.

At least it wasn't anything like Bro HardToBeat's epic German review ( which is hot, but to hard core for me to ever dare try to duplicate his session, Bro HTB you are a true legend ). 

Please note that my comments are meant to be constructive for anyone new to the scene in Japan, trying to arrange there first session.

HD.

[doctor sex]

Mistress sayako is the most professional dominatrix I have ever sessioned with. She's beautiful, intelligent, charming and also sadistic when in session. My trust and respect for her has enabled me to be fisted, suffocated, electrocuted and pierced over the last year. I can't wait to see her for a sixth time next week.

Originally Posted by raygoat

Actually I wonder how many are serving mistress sayako Sure baby. We'll be kinky and passionate ? In my opinion, she is good. I had to return to her everytime she visit sometimes twice. Seldom write juicy FR about her as it will take ages describing it and also am not good in it. Seems like everytime she visit, quite a number of people try to serve her but all kept quiet here. Only I saw BnY who is a hardcore fan of mistress Sayako, I can understand why as I am also one of them. But where's the others? I wonder? �� A lot of Japan scene FR the last few days, too bad I cannot go Japan alone. So the closest I can get is waiting for mistress sayako. Actually come to think of it, not that bad as she is like a combination of both Japan and US Bdsm. Her English is good so no language barrier. Her session is intense if you are into it and will keep you thinking about her after the session. She got lots of tools and cleaned. I can't recall how many pairs of gloves and condoms she used on me for one session. Her website picture is took when she is younger . I actually prefer her now as she looks more matured and has an air of elegance. He will look deep into your eyes while doing nasty things to you. She respect slaves limit and I think I can trust her when having a session with her . A lot of emotion and connections I feel in a session with her. Sorry for the big chunk of text as key in using smart phone. ��.
Have a nice weekend everyone.

[wujifoot]

Originally Posted by raygoat

Actually I wonder how many are serving mistress sayako frequently? In my opinion, she is good. I had to return to her everytime she visit sometimes twice. Seldom write juicy FR about her as it will take ages describing it and also am not good in it. Seems like everytime she visit, quite a number of people try to serve her but all kept quiet here. Only I saw BnY who is a hardcore fan of mistress Sayako, I can understand why as I am also one of them. But where's the others? I wonder? �� A lot of Japan scene FR the last few days, too bad I cannot go Japan alone. So the closest I can get is waiting for mistress sayako. Actually come to think of it, not that bad as she is like a combination of both Japan and US Bdsm. Her English is good so no language barrier. Her session is intense if you are into it and will keep you thinking about her after the session. She got lots of tools and cleaned. I can't recall how many pairs of gloves and condoms she used on me for one session. Her website picture is took when she is younger . I actually prefer her now as she looks more matured and has an air of elegance. He will look deep into your eyes while doing nasty things to you. She respect slaves limit and I think I can trust her when having a session with her . A lot of emotion and connections I feel in a session with her. Sorry for the big chunk of text as key in using smart phone. ��.
Have a nice weekend everyone.

Since you are asked for feedback, I will give you mine.

I think Sayako will have her own legion of fans, but unfortunately, this does not include me. Hope you don't get offended, I think some of you like yourself and BNY is so ardent that it seems you are really promoting on her behalf.

I would say one cannot fault her on her application of the SM profession, and she does tries to understand and give her best. However, maybe at the rates she is charging (always round off to 400) this is the minimum you would expect. Unlike PRCs who charges 100-150, sometimes any drop in quality, you can close one eye.

Looks is subjective, personally, I think she is decent. However, maybe as a regular of Lasiora and Sweet devil, I am spoilt by the quality of the mistresses I have experienced there. To put it across nicely, if I have to pay so much, I would wait for a trip to Japan, or a trip by these Lasiora mistresses to come the Singapore shores.

She is generally hard in her application, while I prefer a more sensual type of domination. The last thing is that she only allowed me to relieve myself. I would love to have a mistress finish the job for me... but I think this is not her style.

Again, this is just my personal view, and I have only sessioned her once. So for brothers who really enjoyed her session, I can understand, and I don't wish go into a argument who's right / wrong.

If Sayako is tuning in, I wish her all the best, and I am sure some brothers who have a different preference will find her very worthy, if not, she would not be returning here so often.