Fetish/Role Play/BDSM in HC

[ydgduo]

actually this thread is pretty quiet for a long time. I think most posts are from Doncj recently.

As for my experience in La Siora, anyone want some info, can ask me here. As for the sessions details, i prefer to keep it between her and me. Kudos for those who gave their session details. But they are minority. Pretty private details.

the trade is evolving even in japan, la siora is still like an traditional sm house. but from magazine and internet, i can see it is going towards, more erotic, sex rather than sm. combination of sm and sex, there is a market for it, and health centre can provide this mix.

i think the trend is away from traditional sm to this new type of sm/sex mix.

[jocky14]

thanks bro ydgduo for your contribution to this sm thread.

Whatever the real definition of SM to me is not important, as long as we enjoy it... call it whatever you like, I don't care

I personally have tried both Thailand and Japan's Lia Siora

I wouldn't think even think twice to tell you Lia Siora is the ONE I lusted MUCH more.

I may have to pay a little more for a shorter time.
Like One mistress in Japan 240 USD for 70 Min compared to 2 mistresses 200 USD for 3 hours, I still go for the Japan option simply because the gals there are of model quality.

There is a good number here among Singapore Asians who appreciate beauty in mistresses as much as or if not more than their skills. I guess in this aspect, I am much similar to bro Ydgduo

[Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by jocky14

...I personally have tried both Thailand and Japan's Lia Siora

I wouldn't think even think twice to tell you Lia Siora is the ONE I lusted MUCH more....

...There is a good number here among Singapore Asians who appreciate beauty in mistresses as much as or if not more than their skills....

You have at least gone one better than me, in that you actually gave CJ a chance and went over to sample them.

If I have to go overseas, I at least have to lust after the beauty of the Mistresses. The ladies of La Siora have always managed to tempt me into making that trip - many times over - but the ladies at CJ have not. Even though they are much nearer and cheaper. This is to the extent that I would specifically engineer a trip to Tokyo to visit La Siora, but I have given CJ a miss even though I happen to be in Bangkok for business, with time to kill.

I cannot fairly compare the skills of the ladies between the two establishments, since I have not been to CJ. But I can say for certain that I have never been disappointed with La Siora.

[DonCJ]

jock14 said he had been to Thailand, he said nothing about being to CJ. He talked about a 2 Domme session for $200 for two hours.

We do not offer 2 hour sessions at any price. The minimum session at CJ for the last 5-6 years has been 6 hours 2 Dommes, 10,000 Thai baht presently knocked down to 9000 baht in celebration of our Decennial.

That is roughly $300 US.

So jocky14 may have been to Midori's or Christy's, or he may have done worse, but he has not been to CJ. Not for a 2 hr session. Impossible.

ydgduo still does not know the difference between a Mistress and a whore, that is sad. He does not know the difference between SM and prostitution, that is a pity. There IS a difference. There remains a difference. There will always be this difference, or the Scene will no longer be the Scene. And that would be a great loss.

There are quite a few Singaporeans and Malaysians who disagree with you guys, who come here (to CJ) and have a great time with Mistress Oh and Mistress Tahn and Mistress April and slave jasmine. Unlike ydgduo, they do not need an eye exam.

A lot of Sg based expats too. Even more from HK. And a number from Tokyo, the Phillipines, Indonesia and Malaysia. A flood of people from all over the world in fact, who do not share your point of view.

And that includes some Japanese subs as well.

[jocky14]

Originally Posted by Schrodinger

You have at least gone one better than me, in that you actually gave CJ a chance and went over to sample them.
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To be exact, the one I went in Thailand is not CJ. It is the Mistress Midori's one. Needless to say, their skills and experienced is highly commendable.

However, their looks department falls a little short of our (Asians) definition of beauty, which is why I have not paid a 2nd visit. Once for the experience and was worth every penny, but the little bro says "no need a 2nd try"...

I have been to Sydney and Melbourne, some of the mistresses are elegant. I will also give them a try if I am there again.

[Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by jocky14

To be exact, the one I went in Thailand is not CJ. It is the Mistress Midori's one....

...However, their looks department falls a little short of our (Asians) definition of beauty, which is why I have not paid a 2nd visit...

I have been to Sydney and Melbourne, some of the mistresses are elegant. I will also give them a try if I am there again.

Ah, I misunderstood then. My apologies.

I can understand what you mean by 'Asian definition' of beauty. It really is down to personal preferences and BDSM should really embody the spirit of allowing for it, given its less than mainstream activities.

Sydney - I'm guessing you went to Salon Kitty's? I've been there several times and enjoyed each visit. To be fair, I also do not find most of the dommes there to my taste. I was lucky that because they have so many on staff, I was able to find a couple that had the 'lust factor'. One of them has since gone independent and I have even served her when she travelled to Singapore. (this is a different one from the recent one from alt.com)

Melbourne - been to one that I think is now defunct. I had a good time - it's just that Melbourne trips are always family trips and it's difficult to get lone time.

If you're going to London anytime, I can give you some recommendations.

[DonCJ]

Frankly, our East Asian clientele make up less than 10% of our following and Sg less than 1%. We see more HK than Sg. We see more South Asians and Mideastern people than either.

Well, to each his own. De gustibus and all that. (The start of an old Latin expression that roughly translates as "There's no accounting for taste."

[submarine]

Originally Posted by jocky14

To be exact..........I have been to Sydney and Melbourne, some of the mistresses are elegant. I will also give them a try if I am there again.

hi bro Jocky14, i have sent stuff to u via yousendit. Pls check yr mail for the links. Rgds

[submarine]

IMHO (after seeing the flurry of exchanges), as what Don concluded, to each his own....that's very true

Personally, I have not gone to CJ, but looking at the website and comparing the girls there to the ones from La Siora, the latter does win hands-down in terms of the looks department. However, many pics of Japanese dommes have been 'doctored' by photoshop etc to improve the pic quality. Many pics are also taken by a professional photographer with lightings on-set. Thus, they appear to be model-quality.

On the other hand, the pics from CJ and many other Asian websites are the real deal and genuine, so we wont be left disappointed when we finally turn up at the dungeon doors. In terms of skill, Im sure the longstanding houses with an established clientele and reputation would stand the test of time, as what CJ and La Siora both possess. Prices-wise, they are quite different, but I somehow get the impression that many Japanese dominatrixes are not real lifestyle dommes, but they are only doing it for the money.

YG mentioned about the trend moving towards chijo-clubs, the ones whereby the women are generally more aggressive. I wont call them real SM clubs, but I am very sure there is a very very big market for this. If a man cannot get turned on by leather and latex, I'm sure he would be after seeing a lady wearing a sexy lace corset and lingerie underneath a hot business suit. There is a kink in everyone of us, and the general idea of a dim-witted and blur lady suddenly turning dominant is indeed a fantasy for many men who are not into the pure SM business.

Real lifestyle dommes DO NOT dress for their subs, they dress as they please. On the contrary, those who work in a femdom establishment for a living are the ones who dress up to fulfill their clients fantasy.

[DonCJ]

Well said. In fact I would like to shoot the perpetrator of many of the pics on the CJ and related subordinate websites, particularly those of Mistress Oh as they do not do her justice at all. These will soon be replaced as we have purchased a digital high definition video camera of high quality (Canon HV-20) and will be adding and replacing still images as well as adding video clips for first time.

Some of the photos of Mistress Tahn and Mistress April which were taken at our previous location by a better photographer are not too bad, but that was prior to the return of Mistress Oh.

Subs who do visit CJ consistently comment that they are very gratified with the actual appearance of the Mistresses compared to the photos on the web and suggest the photographer be tortured at length.

Breaking news: Mistress Wednesday is returning to CJ after a hiatus of eight months. She has nine years experience and like Oh, a great command of English. (An asset harder to come by in Thailand than in Sg.)

[ydgduo]

Originally Posted by submarine

Many pics are also taken by a professional photographer with lightings on-set. Thus, they appear to be model-quality.

Prices-wise, they are quite different.

but I somehow get the impression that many Japanese dominatrixes are not real lifestyle dommes, but they are only doing it for the money.

YG mentioned about the trend moving towards chijo-clubs, the ones whereby the women are generally more aggressive. I wont call them real SM clubs, but he would be after seeing a lady wearing a sexy lace corset and lingerie underneath a hot business suit.


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>>>In my opinion, no photographer in this world can make thai doms look as good as La Siora doms.

>>>Do you know La Siora is 10 mins walk from Shinjuku station. Do you know the rent of that area. Ok, La Siora is in a old office building, but the cost is much higher than bangkok. I am sure of that. Cost of living in Tokyo is very high compare to thailand, doms need to eat too. I do not think japanese doms can survive with thai doms pay.

>>> I really thought that all doms do it for money, you got me there. your avatar are from mistress ming taiwan, i am sure she do it for money only. And money alone.

>>> I do not know what is chijo clubs, but i can see a trend on Japanese AV, that some men do not want the pain. Want a mix of sm and sex. Soft erotic bdsm. I think this will be a big market in future. Something that can be sold in singapore and thailand. There is a market. You can have two company, one for traditional sm and other for the new soft erotic sm. Why, to make money of course.

[ydgduo]

I do not need an eye examination. They are not my type. I like real tall and slim doms. TALL as of 1.7m and above. decent face, nice nose, and big boobs is a plus.

and HV20 is a camcorder, it is useless in taking picture. But video is good, for indoor, you really need to put a HUGE video light on it. Oh, software to extract video from HV20 is a nightmare.

you want some nice photos, you got to get a canon 5D and 85mm f1.2 with lots of light.

[ydgduo]

Originally Posted by jocky14

thanks bro ydgduo for your contribution to this sm thread.

I personally have tried both Thailand and Japan's Lia Siora

I wouldn't think even think twice to tell you Lia Siora is the ONE I lusted MUCH more.

I may have to pay a little more for a shorter time.
Like One mistress in Japan 240 USD for 70 Min compared to 2 mistresses 200 USD for 3 hours, I still go for the Japan option simply because the gals there are of model quality.

There is a good number here among Singapore Asians who appreciate beauty in mistresses as much as or if not more than their skills. I guess in this aspect, I am much similar to bro Ydgduo

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hello jocky14
Looks are not everything in sm, but a big part. actually cj gals are better than most doms on the net. sometime on the web, you see some so call doms, you said to yourself, what? she need to pay $ to me to serve her. this is a joke. some doms are average looking, but ask big bucks. I think UK doms really overcharge compare to rest of the world.

Indeed La Siora are much better. Better choice, you can try different gals and they have different skill levels.

Turn over rate is pretty high, there are always new gals coming and old gals leaving. Thailand sm house, do not change too much. also, la siora have a uk blogs, which update info and pics every week, thai sm house change their website like once a decade.

Do you know that if you stay in Hotel in Shinjuku, (members) you can call them to come to your room, i think i want to do this one day. The next time i am there.

My next project is NEW YORK, i want to try the fetish fortress, nutcracker suite, pandoras box and rapture.

[DonCJ]

Yes HV20 is a camcorder, recording video on miniDV tape. But it also records stills at very high resolution and stores them on a SD card. These are transferred to PC using USB 2.0 while digital video is transferred via Firewire, which is much faster. So, I see you know even less about digital videography and photography than you do about BDSM and the Scene. Amazing.

A high definition camcorder like this is not the equal of a dedicated high end digital still camera, but it is far better than a point-and-shoot. Most of the better pics on the CJ site and the mistress sites were taken with a high end EOS Canon digital SLR. Most of the really crappy ones were taken with Canon point and shoots. The big differences have to do with the lens quality and the flash handling. In the case of the HV20 we will not be using flash, but studio lighting for the video, three sources to eliminate shadows.

I know Japan well, I have a Japanese ex wife and spent time there. The Japanese Scene is anomalous. I used to have a dozen or so Japanese SM videotapes and way back when I used these to teach our Dommes what NOT to do.

One of our early subs was a gaijin employed as a reporter for the Kyodo new service. He was based in Tokyo and would come visit us when in Bangkok. His live-in girlfriend was a Japanese professional Domme. She worked in a SM studio across the street from where they lived. She had a closet full of fetishwear. You would think this chap had it made, right? Wrong. She would spend time getting made up, and dressed in leather or rubber or pvc from head to toe. And would walk over to the club and spend her evening torturing subs. And then home to the boyfriend, off with the fetishwear, bath, and into a yukata and fuzzy slippers and wanting straight sex all night. This just drove him crazy. No kink at all, from her. Not even a little.

Most Japanese pro Dommes are in fact, former subs/slaves and in fact, most still prefer that role in the personal and private lives. That is the conventional wisdom anyway and that is borne out and confirmed by my conversations with Japanese professional Mistresses who have visited us at Chateau Jade. How many Japanese pro Dommes do you know personally, ydgduo?

Like, none?

The phenomenon you are talking about is the spread of the "mistress bars" in Japan. These are not SM clubs or dungeons but simply, mizu-shobai places, with the gimmick, nothing more than that, of the hostresses being dressed in fetishwear instead of in Playboy bunny outfits. These ersatz "mistresses" are simply floating-worls bar girls and prostitutes. Their job is B-drinking, not SM. the SM is the come-on. Alcohol and the real Scene do not mix. Contrary to what you say, real submissives want real Dominants and real masochists want real pain and do not kid yourself otherwise. That is just as true in Japan as it is everywhere else.

In Japan the kinky sex business is the fuzuku (sometimes, pronounced huzuku) while the bar business is the mizu-shobai. And behind them both the yakuza.

The Scene in Japan is 75% male Dom, female sub, the femdom side is 25% at best. You seem to be using AV and magazines for your source material. For every femdom CD or magazine that comes out of Japan there are ten devoted to shibari rope bondage of Japanese women. In Tokyo you could go to the "Abnormal Museum" and see that the production of pornographic SM material goes back to woodblock prints and tryptichs. I remember some depisctions of hapless female slaves who were blinded, their eyes gouged out, blood streaming down their cheeks, while they were still in bondage. Their fate was to be massesuses. Women in the massage houses were blind, and if not conveniently so they were rendered so forthwith.

Historically, everything doing with animal skinning, tanning, and the working of leather was the sole province of the eta (now known as the burakumin). The mainstream Japanese considered slaughtering animals against Buddhism. The eta were and are outcasts, untouchables, shunned and sneered at. Mostly they were descended from Korean and Chinese who were kidnapped and brought to Japan long ago to "transfer technology". Nowadays the burakumin are a major source for yakuza recruits as most other routes of advancement are still closed to them.

The eta were also the official torturers and executioners for Japan's civil and military authorities.

You want me to connect the dots? The fuzuku has its origins in the eta. The yakuza has a centuried relationship with the eta. The yakuza protects the fuzuku for a price.

I still am not convinced you, ydgduo, have ever been anywhere near La Siora. which by the way I bet is close to Shinjuku-san-chome, to be somewhat more specific than "Shinjuku station". Shinjuku-3-chome.

For months you pestered me in this forum to update website and you said you have been watching it for 8 years. Gee. Was that because the Dommes were so ugly, as you say now? Why did you bother?

You didn't start this "Thai girls are ugly" stuff till I knocked you for not following through and visiting, instead of staring at your PC monitor. Your defense was that you could not afford our rates, or airfare to Bangkok.

But we are supposed to believe that you CAN afford airfare to Tokyo and La Siora's much higher prices, right?

Bull. Stop lying. It's tiresome.

You like Japanese girls netter, fine. Maybe you like short legs, long waists and rabbit teeth too? Because that's what Japanese girls are famous for.

Japanese men mostly like to dominate female slaves. Why? Because they are smothered by their mothers, then henpecked by their wives. Japan is a matriarchy; at home the wife rules the roost. SM is an outlet where for once in his life he can tell the woman what to do. You have never heard a virago till you have heard a Japanese wife telling off an errant husband. Woof!

Well, twnety years ago I said sayonara to my Japanese wife and moved to Bangkok and I have no regrets at all. And I have been with the same Thai wife all these years.

Your obsession with the Japanese Dommes bemuses me. You are welcome to your delusions, fella, but don't try to force the rest of us to share them.

In HK there's a very rich and powerful businessman, his name is a household word. But as rich as he is, he and his sons are social pariahs. Why? Because he made his early money selling arms to the Japanese army to use against his own people, the Chinese. In HK they have a long memory. What happened to Singapore's memory? I wonder.

[DonCJ]

To be specific about the still image capabilities of the Canon HV-20, its has 3.1 megapixels and up to 2048x1536 pixel image resolution in still mode. The miniSD card holds more than 1500 images.

camcorderinfo.com named it Camcorder of the Year and had particular praise for its still image capabilities.

Given that the screen resolution of a PC is 640 x 480 full screen and most website images are maybe 160 x 120 pixels, I think the imaging capabilities of the HV-20 are more than enough. As mentioned, my experience is that a digital SLR can turn in brilliant images, but point and shoot digital cameras cannot due to crap lenses and crap flash handling.

When we were using a professional, we were taking his prints and scanning them, then typically having to reduce image size and/or resolution to fit on web page. Results were less than optimum.

Digital is the way to go, eliminating the scanner.