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Heading over too spa secrets over the weekend. had a groupon discount voucher in it. any idea if the place serve up specials?
thanks, from a newbie in batam. Always cheong at JB liao. wanna venture new places. 
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30-10-2014, 04:37 AM
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Bro Nono, imo I been to the vietnam ref camp 2 or 3 times. The 3rd time, I went there only for prayers. 1st time i went there, i felt nothing much to see. There are a few abandoned buildings there, and somehow it makes me goosebump. If you're scared of the ghost stuff, this is not the place you want to go. When I go there for the first time, it rains so i can't get any picture at all. I went there 2nd time a couple of months later, coz im curious. Yea.. still not much to see. Only abandoned buildings. I was initially expecting some viet chiobus there. LoL.. but no more vietnamnese. The whole ref camp was like a museum like that. But you circle the complex with your vehicle la.
Last but not least.. i been there 3 times. It is friggin sunny on the way. But 5 mins about to reach the camp.. it starts to get cloudy. 5 mins after i got there, it always rains. Again, if you're not comfortable with ghost story and such, you don't wanna come to this place. There are many viet toombs there too. As for the miniature house and the grand mosque, I haven't been there. Will you be using a Indo number here?
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30-10-2014, 09:03 AM
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30-10-2014, 10:42 AM
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There was once I reach there about 4.30 indo time, bringing a friend for site seeing, and just about we are to leave, it is about 5 plus and it gets really spooky. Even as I drive out, my goose bumps comes out and the only thing in my mind is to get out ASAP  This place has a lot of sad memories. IF you read up on Galang, the refugees, you will find a lot of bad things happening to them, gals being taken away by soldiers for rape, and many other horrifying stories. Those who are lucky got migrated to USA or better countries. There are many who did not survive. The temple up there is being taken care of by a monk. Definitely not a place to come if you are coming late, but the scene from the temple is nice, very beautiful landscape.
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30-10-2014, 11:02 AM
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 My theory is this...if i stay in Formosa Hotel and walk a lot from places to places,it does not make any economical sense for me to sweat myself all the way to Utama area,have a massage,and then again sweat myself back to Formosa Hotel again...lol. So if i were to try massage shop around Utama area,i will sweat myself to Utama area 1st,have a massage there and then take a taxi/ojek back...lol. (sweating myself = tiring myself out) So,this Bridge Massage and Reflexology is just good for me if i were to plan a rest and relax trip to Batam. And Linda Massage tho cheaper in the massage timing by 10k/hr, shop looks pretty worn out and also the masseurs there practice carrot head-chopping if one doesnt have the mood to bargain. Quote:
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I believe the criteria is that the woman will be very obliged to a man's nearly every need,sometime w/o even the need for him to open his mouth,as if its like a understanding wife with lots of TLC where minimum communication are required. Very different from GFE that often comes with lots of KC power with the help of touchy body language and sweet words to a man's ear Just my person opinion on O.W.E. Maybe bro fishingman may have a different view.
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30-10-2014, 01:06 PM
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Some history about the ex Vietnam Camp in Batam :
The Tragic Past of Galang Camp  Galang – The Island of Both Hope and Hell Galang Island rests quietly in the calm sea, indistinguishable from thousands of other green Indonesian islands near the Equator south of Singapore. But for tens of thousands of Vietnamese “boat people,” the United Nations refugee camp on this island represented a single, thin ray of hope. For most of those who boarded small, rickety boats to escape Vietnam after the war in search of new and happier lives, Galang will not be what they hoped to find. Laying a thick trail of oily diesel smoke low across the glassy sea, the noisy boat violates nature’s tranquility as it slices toward the wooden dock on this tiny, emerald isle. One would never suspect this forested point of land protruding unassumingly from the warm ocean was be home, at any one time, to nearly 20,000 desperate people who had no idea what their futures would hold. They risked everything in the belief that their new lives, or the lives they hoped to live someday in another country, would prove better than those they left behind. The people who arrived on Galang already passed a difficult test. They rolled the dice on a dangerous ocean voyage and won. Many others lost that gamble. Pirates troll the seas in search of easy prey, and often find it. Many Vietnamese were robbed, killed or raped shortly after they gathered their meager possessions and set off in the cloak of darkness in search of freedom and opportunity. A small shrine on the island pays tribute to three women who, after suffering the humiliation of rape during their journey, took their own lives. Statistics from United Nation shows that 850,000 refugees have settled in foreign nations, equal to that number are 850,000 victims, eternally resting along their journey to find freedom and happiness. There are many bitter tales to tell, on how the courage and faith brought the survivors to better living environment. At the same times, many forgotten souls who are the fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and friends of the fortunate survivors, cannot make it, but rested in the remote forests or deep in the ocean bed. This article means to pay tribute to the courageous souls, and not let this tragic history of humanity be forgotten.  How Galang Camp Came About The Vietnamese refugee camp on Galang Island in Riau province of Batam, Indonesia, have many bitter tales to tell of the tragedy that befell countless victims of the conflict between two opposing ideologies at the peak of the Cold War. More than 250,000 boat people who made the perilous trip to escape the war between communist North Vietnam, and first France, and then America in South Vietnam, may have arrived on this island as refugees. They left their country in wooden boats. Hundreds of refugees were packed like sardines in boats capable of carrying only around a dozen passengers. The first Vietnamese boat, carrying 24 refugees, reached West Bunguran in the Riau Islands on May 22, 1975. The refugees used as a guide the flames from an oilfield in Udang. They staked their lives to come to Galang, braving the huge waves of the South China Sea. More and more refugees arrived that numbered as many as 250,000, housed in a number of different places: Air Baja, Tanjung Unggat and East Bintan. In 1979, the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) took the responsibility of caring the refuggee and decided, after reaching an agreement with the Indonesian government, to setup a refugee camp on an 80-hectare site on Galang island. From then on, Galang Camp was born. Situation Turned Bitter With the funding given by UNHCR and other foreign humanitarian organizations, life was in order in Galang Camp until the number of refugees far exceeded the initial estimated number. Initially Galang was established at the end of the Vietnam war and built to house only a quarter of the population living there. At that point, the United States had accepted 82,060. In 1991, Canada became home to 13,516 people, followed by Australia’s acceptance of 6,470. Other countries had not stretched their arms as widely. Japan accepted only 113 people. Spain, Italy, Argentina and Ireland took fewer than 20 each. Meanwhile, scores of people continued to arrive from the open sea on overloaded vessels. An additional 50 were being born in the camp each month. The hardship for Galang refugees intensified as many nations strengthened their resolve not to accept any more boat people. Often, the overloaded boats arriving in countries throughout southeast Asia were simply pushed back out to sea. The camp staff and U.N. workers had a very difficult job, beyond providing meager shelter, rations and minimal health care. They were to determine which of those people arriving would quality for refugee status and possible resettlement in other countries. In a way, they were burdened by the grave decision making of assigning life and death to them, literally. Under a small open-air shelter, the serious business of casting fates was being conducted. Each person was interviewed when arrived, soon determining whether an applicant’s qualifications for resettlement could be met – whether the individual was to be ‘screened in’ or ‘screened out.’ Those unable to prove themselves political refugees under United Nations definition – or with no close relatives in other countries to sponsor them – faced a bleak future. Some eventually returned to Vietnam, some remained for years in the camp, hoping against hope to someday be “saved.” That crucial decision made all the difference for tens of thousands of people. With the passage of time since the war, increasing numbers of applicants were found to be economic migrants, technically not refugees, and therefore they did not qualify for resettlement in the United States. The interview sometimes lasted more than an hour. Eighty percent of the time, in 1991, the decision rendered was unfavorable. The Dark Moments in the Camp  Besides the future was doomed for most boat people in the camp, life was never easy, especially for the women. It was reported on the newspaper called South China Morning Post, June 6, 1993, titled “Terrorised in the Camp of Shame” how tormenting life was in Galang camp. The story goes like this: "Twelve years ago, Ton, his sister and brother risked their lives to flee Vietnam in a small, overcrowded and leaky boat, reaching what they thought was safety after five harrowing days at sea. But the nightmare was only beginning. For more than three months, Ton spent sleepless nights in the notorious Galang first asylum camp in northern Indonesia clutching his beautiful younger sister in terror. “I used to go to sleep hugging my sister, otherwise the Indonesian guards would pick her up and put her back three hours later,” Ton said, his face alive with emotion. Based on interviews with former inmates of Galang, the Sunday Morning Post has pieced together a shocking and continuing story of widespread bribery, brutal beatings and sexual assault. Inmates identified one senior guard who abused women sexually and brutally beat men." In the newspaper report, it was said that UNHCR representatives were instructed not to stay overnight in the camp. But it is at night when almost all the atrocities happen. “If you are beautiful then you are in trouble,” said Jin Ching Danh, 30. Women being raped and men got beaten up became a thing of common in the camp. Over the years, at least 12 Galang inmates who had been screened out as economic migrants have tried to commit suicide. More trouble could lie ahead as the country winds down its refugee determination process and inmates realise they have no hope of resettling abroad.
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Becoming a Living Hell
 In 1994, tension rose to a peak among the Vietnamese refugees as the UNHCR was unable to guarantee their future. Many refugees went on hunger strike. They demanded clear decisions on what was going to happen to them: whether they qualified as refugees and which countries they would be sent to. Many refugees were disappointed at the results of the screening that was carried out to determine whether they qualified as refugees. This was crucial to deciding whether they would be sent to third countries or whether they would be deported back to Vietnam. Many of them failed to qualify as refugees. One of the reasons, according to the UNHCR, was that some of them had criminal records back in Vietnam. The thought of going back to Vietnam, however, caused great distress among the boat people. Eventually the horror of suicide began in Galang Camp. On September 2, 1996, the tragic mass suicide ensued. The UNHCR decided to close down the refugee camp and deported the remaining refugees to Vietnam as no third countries were willing to accept them. More cases of suicide were listed below. Third countries, particularly the United States, the third main choice after Canada and Australia, were selective in accepting Vietnamese refugees. One of the main requirements was that they must have certain skills, and be clever and rich. This is a ridiculous criteria for considering the torn-out refugees in the camp who were mostly common folks. There are 503 graves of Vietnamese boat people here and most of these people committed suicide because they refused to be deported back to Vietnam. Anybody can feel their sadness. They shouted in despair and many of them cut their own throats just like slaughtering chickens. Tragic Suicide in Galang Camp Life broke down after much tremors happened in the camp. The Vietnamese people, though brave and courageous who left their homes and explored new life aboard, they were human after all. The stress of losing their close family members, relatives, friends and hope, led some of them to destruction. Murder and suicide attempts were as high as the number of rapes. Suffering in such a living hell, plus the rejection from the screening process that shattered their hope of survival, pushed these poor people further into fire. The following lists several suicide cases chronologically which are only a tip of the iceberg; many other tragedies would have gone unreported.
More than 6,000 boat people, however, were forced to return because they were not considered victims of political or religious persecution. Out of these 6,000, the number of people who killed themselves was kept in low profile, hence was not exactly known. A tour guide called Mohammad Yono said approximate hundreds of refugees committed suicide by hanging themselves or throwing themselves into ravines after they were denied refugee status and faced forced repatriation. “This place is haunted. Many ethnic Chinese have come here to get inspiration on lottery numbers from the spirits,” he said, pointing to a ravine where refugees were said to have killed themselves. Another rumour told by another local of Batam says that there existed one large burial hole, in which corpses of suicide were just dumped. Their names and deaths may not even been recorded officially.
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Beyond The Cemetery – Resting Places for the Freedom Seekers
 Nevertheless, on a hilly slope there is a cemetery known commonly as Camp 3, in addition to Camp 1 and Camp 2. The tombs house the deceased of recorded death in the camp. The cemetery at the refugee camp in Galang is a reminder of the struggle of Vietnamese refugees who fled their country after the fall of Saigon. Many of them died of starvation or accidents during their long and perilous sea trips on dilapidated and overcrowded boats. Few tombs at the cemetery bear names of the deceased, but many are of small children. A memorial plaque in front of the graveyard says: “Dedicated to the People Who Died in the Sea on the Way to Freedom.” This memorial plague is one of the mass entombments for half a million to one million boat people who perished at sea. Religious leaders of various religions have returned to those islands to pray for the soul of the dead. You can see elaborate incense urns were placed in front of the memorial monument. This memorial monument is the one of the largest number of deceased being commemorated. It comes possibly after those for the Jewish people victims of the Holocaust, and those for Armenians who were massacred in World War I. There are however other kinds of makeshift graves less well-kept and recognizable than the Camp 3 cemetery. They are the mass graves that were dug for hundreds of bodies all from the same boat, their drifting wreckage was pulled to shore but everyone in it had long ago drawn their last breath. For hygienic reason, no one searched through the cadavers to at least identify them and get their name engraved on the tombstone. These unnamed deceased, despite the makeshift burial on the islands, were lucky because they, at least, were allowed a resting place. Hundreds of thousands others lost their life in the South China Sea, they died in pain, in despair, in wretchedness, unknown, without a grave. In their dying moment, they still tried to look up the sky for God, for Buddha, they still tried to say their prayers, unfalteringly, to Quan-Yin, to the Virgin Mary. They died without a decent burial. The ocean was a gigantic mass grave for them. The Controversial Monument Many monuments that commemorates Vietnamese boat people are erected on the island. There is one, nevertheless, controversial. In June 2005, a large stone plague erected by former Vietnamese refugees at their one-time camp on Galang was removed. The removal stirred up much emotional disturbance to the Vietnamese communities especially those who had a sentimental attachment to the life in Galang Camp. The monument was dismantled at the request of the Vietnamese president on the grounds that it was offensive to Vietnam. The Vietnamese government took the view that the wording on the plaque denigrated the dignity of Vietnam. Meanwhile, the 3 x 1 meter tall concrete frame in which of the stone plaque was embedded is still standing. The marble tiles at the base have been removed, however. The wording read as follows: In commemoration of the hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese people who perished on the way to freedom (1975-1996). Though they died of hunger or thirst, or being raped, or exhaustion or any other causes, we pray that they may now enjoy lasting peace. Their sacrifice will never be forgotten. – OVERSEAS VIETNAMESE COMMUNITIES 2005. The reverse side of the plaque read: In appreciation of the efforts of UNHCR, the Red Cross and the Indonesian Red Crescent Society and other world relief organizations, the Indonesian government and people, as well as all countries of first asylum and resettlement. We also express our gratitude to the thousands of individuals who worked hard in helping the Vietnamese refugees. – OVERSEAS VIETNAMESE COMMUNITIES 2005.  The Impact After Visiting the Camp After visiting the Galang Camp that is haunted by so much tragic memories, one would ponder the lives of the thousands of people who felt driven to literally cast their fates to the wind, not knowing whether Galang Camp will be their first stop on the road to freedom, or their last. The refugees who survived, all have relatives, or someone that they know, vanished in the South sea. Many boats capsized, many other drifted aimlessly until food and water ran out. How many died of hunger, of thirst, or found themselves lost somewhere in the myriad of archipelagos in the vast ocean? How many were slaughtered by pirates? Many of the boat people who survived believe they were reborn after such a trip. That’s why this place is a second birth place because it gave birth to their second life, life with freedom and dignity. But that is only of a minority. Sadly, many people who could not make it perished at sea and at this very Galang Camp. Galang Camp will be forever engraved in the history of mankind as a powerful testament to the force of humanity, where the innocent victims of a most cruel tyranny finally were offered solace in the caring hands of the world community. Like all of us, these boat people were once our companions in the common human quest for freedom, for human decency. Unlike all of us, they were unlucky. We cannot forget them, we cannot forsake them for the second time to oblivion, we cannot let them become just a number, a statistic in the pages of history. For these deceased boat people did exist. 
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you dont know half of the truth like torture, rape and other ill treatment by the INDO military on the detainees. Some even escaped from the suffering and live among the local in the fishing villages around the area. Every so often, former detainees whom have successfully being repatriated to "first world" countries have returned to visit the camp. If you hear first hand accounts you will understand there were more hidden atrocities committed to these people like trading pieces of gold for food like fish with the local to mitigate hunger.
Thank you for sharing though brother
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The prison guards rape is a common thing, and much terror is committed there. Beatings to men are common as well. As for stories in the seas, it is more horrifying. I heard of the orders given by the military ( SAF) that any ship that comes near, they are to be towed out to the sea, and they have to fend for themselves. No food or what so ever help must be given to them. Other ships are not so lucky, either they sink, or throw the death into the seas, or worse, they meet with pirates. In retrospect, it is clearly a very sad event and this place serves as a reminder of how cruel war can be.
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30-10-2014, 02:25 PM
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And yes,i will be using an indo number when in Batam,and i'll PM you my number once i reach Hotel on 5th as accordance to my itinerary on the previous page. Hope can meet up with you for a chat/smoke/meal. http://sammy.services/showpos...ostcount=27650 Places in the ex Viet Camp i was hoping to see....  Tu Quan Am Pagoda Statue of Goddess characterized Gung Shi Sha Pu (Goddess Kuan Im) are large, located on the outside. There is a prayer altar in front of the statue of the Goddess Kuan Im, where it is believed when praying at the altar will be given a soul mate (for those who have not paired), prosperity and tranquility in an attempt to settle down. As for children, will be successful in the study. By tradition, after the prayer is expected to throw the coins as an offering to the front of the statue of Goddess Kuan Im.  Statue of Humanity In 1985 depicting the figure of a woman named Tinhn Loai Han, who was raped by a fellow refugee. Ashamed to bear the burden of being raped, she decided to commit suicide. To commemorate this tragic event, Humanity Statue was built in the location where the rape occurred. The statue was made by Nguyen Van Tuyen, a refugee who also sympathize with this tragedy.  Nghia Trang Grave Here, buried 503 Vietnamese refugees who died of various diseases that they suffered for many months sailing the high seas. In addition, mental depression made them increasingly weak physical condition.  The Three Ladies shrines - Miếu Ba Cô In the dangerous trip for freedom, the two sisters from a refugee boat had been repeatedly raped by pirates. When they came to Galang camp, the rumour kept spreading and worse, the boatmates and the barrackmates even looked down at them, instead of having pity for them. Unable to cope with the shame, the two sisters hung themselves on this giant old tree. The 2 shrines were built jointly to worship the two sisters. Later on, another girl from another boat suffered the same shame and did the same thing. Again, the third shrine was built to worship her. Quote:
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