How to know if she truly loves you or just wants your money

[Pussydestroy]

I recently met this FL at one of this house. She was amazing and i have been frequenting her for this past 1 week, every time i’m here she is always so happy to see me. She kept asking me if i have enough for myself if i kept coming to her. I couldn’t afford expensive gifts for her so i only bought her favourite soft toy and some snacks. I overnight once with her but the feeling of leaving the next day eats me up so i only choose to spend 1 hour with her and maybe have supper with her after she end work. We went out for a few times together and she always paid for the meals. Told me not to spend so much on her as she is very guilty. She doesn’t know how to repay me. Shares her life stories with me, even though i told her honestly that i cannot provide for her. Idk if this is all just her plot or is she truly in love with me. One thing i made it clear to her is that I’m a poor dude. I cannot provide things she needs. She assured me it’s fine she doesn’t need expensive stuff. Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?

[Lawrencegan]

I recently met this FL at one of this house. She was amazing and i have been frequenting her for this past 1 week, every time i’m here she is always so happy to see me. She kept asking me if i have enough for myself if i kept coming to her. I couldn’t afford expensive gifts for her so i only bought her favourite soft toy and some snacks. I overnight once with her but the feeling of leaving the next day eats me up so i only choose to spend 1 hour with her and maybe have supper with her after she end work. We went out for a few times together and she always paid for the meals. Told me not to spend so much on her as she is very guilty. She doesn’t know how to repay me. Shares her life stories with me, even though i told her honestly that i cannot provide for her. Idk if this is all just her plot or is she truly in love with me. One thing i made it clear to her is that I’m a poor dude. I cannot provide things she needs. She assured me it’s fine she doesn’t need expensive stuff. Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?
You are just playing games with her- same vice versa. No downside for you and her. So why not keep playing. Just don’t 假戏真做

Probably a little different but I have come across so many dome 1 girls who come and say they love me and shit want me to go back with them etc etc but once they go back they forget you and go back to their own life. Some may even remove you or block your line. Then magically few days before they return to sg for ‘reservist’ they start to talk to you again say miss you whatever

So whatever games you play just play while it’s fine and nice. After the music stops, they go back to thailand, everything goes back to previous

They may say all sorts of stuff about wanting foreign men, Thai men no good but the fact remains that their virginity taken by thai men, first baby also thai men, probably first marriage too and 2nd and 3rd…. The fact is they fall easily to sweet talking and thai men are number 1, their focus is never on work, jobs but on serving women so they are paid by women…

[p u r e]

LOL i hope ure trolling

that, or you faster wake up from your dream

Geylang is a place for sex.

Fuck, and fuck off.

Never have emotions.. well, except being horny. Good to be friendly though.. basic human decency.

[Lawrencegan]

LOL i hope ure trolling

that, or you faster wake up from your dream

Geylang is a place for sex.

Fuck, and fuck off.

Never have emotions.. well, except being horny. Good to be friendly though.. basic human decency.
Can have emotions if it helps you feel good about yourself that you are wanted etc

Whether it’s paying for sex for emotions it doesn’t matter, happy then can already

Just don’t keep playing when the music stops haha

[loneyheart]

IMHO if u can't afford don't play the game ... just pay F n F
She will be leaving one day n not ending u poorer n heartache :)

[The Old Nite]

Whores r for fucking, not for loving.

[lucidlucifer]

Although i have to agree with what the earlier bros shared

But deep down only u know if the feeling is real

1 real piece of advice is to treat her like a really good fling and thats about it

She likes u, u like her yada yada, enjoy while it lasts, once she starts dissing u or comparing u with her other customers whom are able to pamper her with the material things, thats when u know she has a change of heart

The only time u start talking love is when she ends her stint here and u guys are still communicating 6 months later

[bradpitt968]

Although i have to agree with what the earlier bros shared

But deep down only u know if the feeling is real

1 real piece of advice is to treat her like a really good fling and thats about it

She likes u, u like her yada yada, enjoy while it lasts, once she starts dissing u or comparing u with her other customers whom are able to pamper her with the material things, thats when u know she has a change of heart

The only time u start talking love is when she ends her stint here and u guys are still communicating 6 months later

Yes. Enjoy while it last.

The last part is so true. If they continue to text daily and chat, then maybe real but the test is the "reality of life". Once it kicks in, that is where the dream ends.

But there are successful story tho.

Good luck to TS.

[bradpitt968]

Can have emotions if it helps you feel good about yourself that you are wanted etc

Whether it’s paying for sex for emotions it doesn’t matter, happy then can already

Just don’t keep playing when the music stops haha

Yes. Most important thing is to be happy.

If can happy longer, then good lah.

But must be able to pull one back when the time has come.

[soonbeng]

Sammyboyforum's Big Boss told us many times if these outside girls ask for money to help them for personal reasons in their foreign home town (her mother/father/brother/sister in Thailand/PRC/Vietnam is sick, ad nauseum...), tell them sorry you are not interested. I add just don't answer them. Worst is never commit a serious crime for them. They are mostly ungrateful.

I saw a bro's post in the SBF website he seen a number of Geylang Thai girls in a legal house mass WhatsApping their past customers preset love messages. I seen a PRC girl receptionist of a spa in Balestier have about eight - ten handphones in front of her. Play happily. Find another prettier girl who can give you just as good service. May be better. This will make you forget the first girl.

[Penguin23]

I recently met this FL at one of this house. She was amazing and i have been frequenting her for this past 1 week, every time i’m here she is always so happy to see me. She kept asking me if i have enough for myself if i kept coming to her. I couldn’t afford expensive gifts for her so i only bought her favourite soft toy and some snacks. I overnight once with her but the feeling of leaving the next day eats me up so i only choose to spend 1 hour with her and maybe have supper with her after she end work. We went out for a few times together and she always paid for the meals. Told me not to spend so much on her as she is very guilty. She doesn’t know how to repay me. Shares her life stories with me, even though i told her honestly that i cannot provide for her. Idk if this is all just her plot or is she truly in love with me. One thing i made it clear to her is that I’m a poor dude. I cannot provide things she needs. She assured me it’s fine she doesn’t need expensive stuff. Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?

An FL on a "yellow card" permit can never come back to Singapore to stay long-term under any pass. I think you should keep that in mind, first and foremost.

So that means, even if you give her the huge benefit of the doubt and that her words are real, she probably fell in love while working in the wrong country, and with the wrong man.

I always take the stand that given a choice, no woman will want to work as FL in a GL house. You earn very little and you close off the option of coming back to Singapore ever again under a different work pass. So there must be a certain set of circumstances (or perhaps, ignorance) that made her choose this path. What these circumstances are, you may never know and I think it's best to leave it at that.

If I were in your shoes, I would choose to be kind and listen to what she has to say and comfort her to the best you can (which you seem to be already doing so kudos to you). But you should also be honest and let her know certain facts that are unfortunately set in stone, so that she doesn't harbour any false hopes. For whatever time you can spend with her and it feels genuine and real to you, treasure them. I once fell in love with an ML and it ended badly, but I hold on to the nice memories and as I grow older, I am glad that I had those nice thoughts to hold on to, for old times' sake.

Cheers - yours is a new nick so I have no way of telling if you are some young fella who created this new nick or you're an old guy who probably knows all this already but for some reason chose to post your predicament on sbf

[naan1974]

I recently met this FL at one of this house. She was amazing and i have been frequenting her for this past 1 week, every time i’m here she is always so happy to see me. She kept asking me if i have enough for myself if i kept coming to her. I couldn’t afford expensive gifts for her so i only bought her favourite soft toy and some snacks. I overnight once with her but the feeling of leaving the next day eats me up so i only choose to spend 1 hour with her and maybe have supper with her after she end work. We went out for a few times together and she always paid for the meals. Told me not to spend so much on her as she is very guilty. She doesn’t know how to repay me. Shares her life stories with me, even though i told her honestly that i cannot provide for her. Idk if this is all just her plot or is she truly in love with me. One thing i made it clear to her is that I’m a poor dude. I cannot provide things she needs. She assured me it’s fine she doesn’t need expensive stuff. Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?

Dont doubt love, after she is done with her stint in GL, go back china with
her, marry her and live happily ever after !

[hybridsystem]

I recently met this FL at one of this house. She was amazing and i have been frequenting her for this past 1 week, every time i’m here she is always so happy to see me. She kept asking me if i have enough for myself if i kept coming to her. I couldn’t afford expensive gifts for her so i only bought her favourite soft toy and some snacks. I overnight once with her but the feeling of leaving the next day eats me up so i only choose to spend 1 hour with her and maybe have supper with her after she end work. We went out for a few times together and she always paid for the meals. Told me not to spend so much on her as she is very guilty. She doesn’t know how to repay me. Shares her life stories with me, even though i told her honestly that i cannot provide for her. Idk if this is all just her plot or is she truly in love with me. One thing i made it clear to her is that I’m a poor dude. I cannot provide things she needs. She assured me it’s fine she doesn’t need expensive stuff. Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?

Bro. I empathy with you. I also cheong for 20 years plus already. Truth be told, most of the time when I encounter is all about money, even if not, I know myself, I can't settle down in their countries cos of commitment I have in sg. But I have also know fact stories about FL ML or GL WL having a relationship after their trip in Sg. Known a WL yearss ago, having her Facebook, and after her stint in SG, saw she was engage to a SG man. 10 over years past, she still together with this guy. Probably the guy went over her country to settle down.

So you must think, can you do that? If you can't , better just FnF... Or get smart and play mind games with her to enjoy the process.

[hybridsystem]

I recently met this FL at one of this house. She was amazing and i have been frequenting her for this past 1 week, every time i’m here she is always so happy to see me. She kept asking me if i have enough for myself if i kept coming to her. I couldn’t afford expensive gifts for her so i only bought her favourite soft toy and some snacks. I overnight once with her but the feeling of leaving the next day eats me up so i only choose to spend 1 hour with her and maybe have supper with her after she end work. We went out for a few times together and she always paid for the meals. Told me not to spend so much on her as she is very guilty. She doesn’t know how to repay me. Shares her life stories with me, even though i told her honestly that i cannot provide for her. Idk if this is all just her plot or is she truly in love with me. One thing i made it clear to her is that I’m a poor dude. I cannot provide things she needs. She assured me it’s fine she doesn’t need expensive stuff. Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?

Bro. I empathy with you. I also cheong for 20 years plus already. Truth be told, most of the time when I encounter is all about money, even if not, I know myself, I can't settle down in their countries cos of commitment I have in sg. But I have also know fact stories about FL ML or GL WL having a relationship after their trip in Sg. Known a WL yearss ago, having her Facebook, and after her stint in SG, saw she was engage to a SG man. 10 over years past, she still together with this guy. Probably the guy went over her country to settle down.

So you must think, can you do that? If you can't , better just FnF... Or get smart and play mind games with her to enjoy the process.

[hybridsystem]

I recently met this FL at one of this house. She was amazing and i have been frequenting her for this past 1 week, every time i’m here she is always so happy to see me. She kept asking me if i have enough for myself if i kept coming to her. I couldn’t afford expensive gifts for her so i only bought her favourite soft toy and some snacks. I overnight once with her but the feeling of leaving the next day eats me up so i only choose to spend 1 hour with her and maybe have supper with her after she end work. We went out for a few times together and she always paid for the meals. Told me not to spend so much on her as she is very guilty. She doesn’t know how to repay me. Shares her life stories with me, even though i told her honestly that i cannot provide for her. Idk if this is all just her plot or is she truly in love with me. One thing i made it clear to her is that I’m a poor dude. I cannot provide things she needs. She assured me it’s fine she doesn’t need expensive stuff. Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?

Bro. I empathy with you. I also cheong for 20 years plus already. Truth be told, most of the time when I encounter is all about money, even if not, I know myself, I can't settle down in their countries cos of commitment I have in sg. But I have also know fact stories about FL ML or GL WL having a relationship after their trip in Sg. Known a WL yearss ago, having her Facebook, and after her stint in SG, saw she was engage to a SG man. 10 over years past, she still together with this guy. Probably the guy went over her country to settle down.

So you must think, can you do that? If you can't , better just FnF... Or get smart and play mind games with her to enjoy the process.

[Pussydestroy]

Thank you brothers for the advices, some of you might be right. She's here to work, not here to look for partner, get however much she can and go back to her country. I will be more alert, even if it hurts, i only have myself to blame.

[TKee]

Yah, furthermore it is only 1 week plus of knowing. You would know more in times to come.

[lovestobonk]

Would suggest not to confuse love and lust

[TheIdesOfMarch]

You know a WL sees you as more than just someone to make money from when they offer to pay for time extension with you.

Happened to me before last time with my regular at the now defunct 0845.

[Lawrencegan]

Agreed. Happened with me as well but I saw that as just a cheaper Alternative for wl to take a break from work. Because they would otherwise have to pay okt higher if you get what I mean. With a customer they effectively pay lower

[unfit]

leasing pussy for money here ;)

not looking for love :)

[bradpitt968]

Would suggest not to confuse love and lust

But when we men have sex, especially good sex. The brain release a chemical call "oxytocin". This chemical creates bonding with the person we have sex with.

We hear people say "Thai gal gong tao". It is basically mind blowing sex. Anything also can sex.

To us (men), we may develop feeling to the gal who gave us good sex. But the more important question is : Who are we to them?

[unfit]

But when we men have sex, especially good sex. The brain release a chemical call "oxytocin". This chemical creates bonding with the person we have sex with.

We hear people say "Thai gal gong tao". It is basically mind blowing sex. Anything also can sex.

To us (men), we may develop feeling to the gal who gave us good sex. But the more important question is : Who are we to them?

we are lessee of time sharing pussy :)

[Dignified69]

But when we men have sex, especially good sex. The brain release a chemical call "oxytocin". This chemical creates bonding with the person we have sex with.

We hear people say "Thai gal gong tao". It is basically mind blowing sex. Anything also can sex.

To us (men), we may develop feeling to the gal who gave us good sex. But the more important question is : Who are we to them?

1000% agree with this. I get solid frenching and good sex, immediately feel romantic feelings towards gal. Talk to taxi uncles who get once/twice a week bonking from their OC, feel so envious.

This is life, u have to manage with the hand given to you.

Have not bonked in 10 days, feeling lonely and horny at the same time


:( = = =

[lovestobonk]

Hmmm somehow i never get this feeling before, in all the 15 years of chionging time.. maybe i didnt have great sex :p

[naan1974]

Hmmm somehow i never get this feeling before, in all the 15 years of chionging time.. maybe i didnt have great sex :p

because you are objectively looking for pussy not love,
like they always say in GL 去精不去情

[ceeko]

Which house/number is she

Let her blow/service and fuck me and i tell u later k?

[Dotafan98]

This thread reminds me of when I first time started chionging (couldn't get girls cos look like shit so went to chiong), I was much younger, very naive and inexperienced with girls due to my almost non-existent interaction with girls.

I placed girls on a pedestal, basically a simp. But after more interactions with normal sg girls and working girls alike, I came to realised girls and guys are actually not much different from one another.

When I first started chionging, I also tio gongtao by some very cute siambu who was very nice to me and being stupid and inexperienced af, I immediately crushed hard on her, especially after all the hugging, kissing, sex and sweet gfe. The experience was hell cos I can't stop thinking of her everyday and how she is also hugging and kissing with other guys. This thought was so emotionally painful that I couldn't function properly in life and it left an emotional scar on my heart to this day.

Long story short, I understood girls better and woke up from placing girls on pedestal.

I used to be the simple minded guy in school who will always keep crushing on girls, and girls could smell my desperation from a mile away. Now after attaining enlightenment, it's very hard for me to tio gongtao and I have stopped crushing so easily on any woman.

Anyway I have given up on romantic love and am more focused on other more important stuff in life. Now I am much happier when I don't place such a high premium on romantic love and feel more control over my life，compared to when I was that naive idiot when I was much younger who always thought romantic love is so important.

[p u r e]

This thread reminds me of when I first time started chionging (couldn't get girls cos look like shit so went to chiong), I was much younger, very naive and inexperienced with girls due to my almost non-existent interaction with girls.

I placed girls on a pedestal, basically a simp. But after more interactions with normal sg girls and working girls alike, I came to realised girls and guys are actually not much different from one another.

When I first started chionging, I also tio gongtao by some very cute siambu who was very nice to me and being stupid and inexperienced af, I immediately crushed hard on her, especially after all the hugging, kissing, sex and sweet gfe. The experience was hell cos I can't stop thinking of her everyday and how she is also hugging and kissing with other guys. This thought was so emotionally painful that I couldn't function properly in life and it left an emotional scar on my heart to this day.

Long story short, I understood girls better and woke up from placing girls on pedestal.

I used to be the simple minded guy in school who will always keep crushing on girls, and girls could smell my desperation from a mile away. Now after attaining enlightenment, it's very hard for me to tio gongtao and I have stopped crushing so easily on any woman.

Anyway I have given up on romantic love and am more focused on other more important stuff in life. Now I am much happier when I don't place such a high premium on romantic love and feel more control over my life，compared to when I was that naive idiot when I was much younger who always thought romantic love is so important.

Wonder how many people would share your sentiment here.

Because quite frankly, there's some who say guys who visit prostitutes lack social skills and are unattractive.

I think it's not always the case. Some just prefer to keep things more straightforward and simple: fuck and fuck off.

But I just wonder about the % for each type of person..

[kue19xx]

Just FNG lah. Dun put feeling into this place. Just to share h I hFeelad one regular viet FL always happy to see me. But recently very very disappointed. :(

As my eczema flare up recently caused many dry skins on my body. Today went she saw and dun dare service me. Afraid I spread to her. Told her it won't spread. Its not any STD.

I dun blame her. Just Feels really dejected. I can only go back to my Chinatown regular now.

[Laofuzi8888]

Once you are a seasoned cheongster, you can control your feeling and emotion better

[Dotafan98]

Wonder how many people would share your sentiment here.

Because quite frankly, there's some who say guys who visit prostitutes lack social skills and are unattractive.

I think it's not always the case. Some just prefer to keep things more straightforward and simple: fuck and fuck off.

But I just wonder about the % for each type of person..

I don't know about that but based on my own observation from years of walking from house to house at night when geylang was super crowded before COVID (when no one wearing mask), can confirm that most guys I see are unattractive.

[Laochiongster]

Which house is she ?

[Lawrencegan]

Lol just found one of the angpai Fl (s**a) from dome 1 who came just before covid keep saying she love me whatsoever even come stay with me 1 day before start work, tell me go up to find her after last slot, don’t charge me money for overnight now also shotgun and get married to Thai man

End up same story over and over

[Laofuzi8888]

I don't know about that but based on my own observation from years of walking from house to house at night when geylang was super crowded before COVID (when no one wearing mask), can confirm that most guys I see are unattractive.

Like me. Looked like laofuzi

[unfit]

Like me. Looked like laofuzi

old master cute better than big potato:D

[Therealdeal69x]

Consider every interaction as a fling. Comforting at first but because you let her feel comforted and not so alone in a foreign place, just like a typical love story, is it true love or just infatuation? As far as I’m concern, these SW probably ‘have feelings’ for you because you probably treated them with dignity, which is so easy to win over these ladies in the workplace that treats them like object. Like some bro said above, once you’re a seasoned visitor, you’ll be able to control your emotions and feelings.

[Dotafan98]

Gave up on romantic love and both my life and my chionging experience have been uphill ever since

[peeboy75]

Managing your emotions when chionging is like flying kite.. Must sometimes let go and sometimes pull back. Everytime just fuck and fuck off also boring after a while.. If can get one who gam with you and go out with her on her off days once in a while also fun... Treat like FWB but once more than that then must let go already...

[Lisaann]

Just give her like a test to see wat she is really like. Sometimes, when too much seeing each other, feelings do develop

[Dignified69]

Managing your emotions when chionging is like flying kite.. Must sometimes let go and sometimes pull back. Everytime just fuck and fuck off also boring after a while.. If can get one who gam with you and go out with her on her off days once in a while also fun... Treat like FWB but once more than that then must let go already...

There is so much wisdom in your words. And poetically stated also.

Suppress your emotions too much and for too long and I can guarantee you, cause you more discomfort and pain in the long run. Or eat you up from inside and don't even know it.

These days I think that when someone dies before their time, say in their 50s or 60s, then their health etc is one thing, but how much of it is caused by unresolved issues, pain, trauma and other things.

[Dignified69]

Hmmm somehow i never get this feeling before, in all the 15 years of chionging time.. maybe i didnt have great sex :p

Maybe your love language is different. One of my guy friends told me, his wife hug him, kiss him, he still don't feel horny. He has to think of the nice things she has done for him, then only he is in the mood.

His love language is clearly 'acts of service'.

The 5 love languages book is maybe one of the most important and useful books I have read in my life. Recommend for everyone, to understand ourselves and this who we pursue.

Life - Recommending book on love language in sex forum. But then, sex is the most direct expression of love for many men.

[ahha2011]

Recently my regular wl asked me to buy something for her as a gift, 800+???!!!! I believe she is crazy of asking me that.. with this 800, I can go around 4 session with different wl.. with that, I said to myself, sourcing for other better wl..

[Laofuzi8888]

old master cute better than big potato:D

Haha. May be bro dotafan98 saw me walking around at night at Geylang.

[bradpitt968]

Maybe your love language is different. One of my guy friends told me, his wife hug him, kiss him, he still don't feel horny. He has to think of the nice things she has done for him, then only he is in the mood.

His love language is clearly 'acts of service'.

The 5 love languages book is maybe one of the most important and useful books I have read in my life. Recommend for everyone, to understand ourselves and this who we pursue.

Life - Recommending book on love language in sex forum. But then, sex is the most direct expression of love for many men.

I think ALL guy's love languageis "Acts of pornstar service" right? LOL!

[Dignified69]

I think ALL guy's love languageis "Acts of pornstar service" right? LOL!

To a large extent true

[DTCEPL]

Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?

She probably loves your $ and u loves her pussy:rolleyes: So both loves each other! Geylang is probably a place u can find true love.

Think again what u or she really loves!

[bradpitt968]

Gave up on romantic love and both my life and my chionging experience have been uphill ever since

Wah! Where do you chiong? GL or what?

Uphill ever since? Can elaborate?

[Dotafan98]

Wah! Where do you chiong? GL or what?

Uphill ever since? Can elaborate?

Like just carefree like a bird lorh..like I see other ppl around me all stressed abt starting family or finding the right one to fall in love with..for me I just chiong women and have fun lorh..no stress..also don't want start family so no point fall in love..later give birth the children fk up one only give my life problems, cos I know if I got children I won't raise them well anyway..might as well use the money to enjoy life on my own and stop pursuing romantic love

[sipeklong]

I like ur style.... chiong all u want and with all freedom without worries... go for whichever holes u want.

If I have gone to try out gl 23 years back, i probably may do the same

[Dotafan98]

Haha recently chiong Geylang until a bit sian liao..maybe time to go back siamdiu but the siambus there super good at making you feel like you are the only one they love and tio gongtao eh..damn scary

[GN007SG]

Haha recently chiong Geylang until a bit sian liao..maybe time to go back siamdiu but the siambus there super good at making you feel like you are the only one they love and tio gongtao eh..damn scary

the drinks price are a total killer..
i dun step into siamdiu now unless bro jio for some celebration/occasion..

[bradpitt968]

Like just carefree like a bird lorh..like I see other ppl around me all stressed abt starting family or finding the right one to fall in love with..for me I just chiong women and have fun lorh..no stress..also don't want start family so no point fall in love..later give birth the children fk up one only give my life problems, cos I know if I got children I won't raise them well anyway..might as well use the money to enjoy life on my own and stop pursuing romantic love

Just need to make sure that got enough $$ and chiong all the way! Shiok ah!

[soonbeng]

How do you recognize a girl fakes her orgasm?

Dude, there’s the most reliable indicator: It’s her voice. If immediately after her “orgasm” she talks to you,



WITH A FLAT VOICE,



🔥🔥🔥



Then it’s surely a SIMULATION!!! Because they have a freaking HORMONES rush going on and her voice is breaking!!!!

[HalimahYakult]

The version of this question in girle' minds is "does he really love me, or does he love me because I'm pretty". All's fair in love and war.

[bullterrier]

well, probably also "how much can I get out of him?"

This one is big or small carrot? or metal chicken?

[Dotafan98]

If want serious relationship I would still go for Sg girls..the idea of getting into serious relationship with prostitutes is just insane and tragic..unless u truly love her or u feel that u can't get the attractive Sg girls, I can't imagine why a guy would want to get into a serious relationship with a prostitute..end of the day I am sure all guys will pick the non-prostitute over the prostitute for a serious relationship, assuming both are of equal attractiveness..

[unfit]

well, probably also "how much can I get out of him?"

This one is big or small carrot? or metal chicken?

Robert or iron rooster :D

[orche]

扮猪吃老虎，欢场无真爱！

Next time she is going to tell her home is destroyed by flood or landslide, or her dearest sister lost all her money at Singapore casino, crowd funding from all her loyal patrons😂

[bradpitt968]

If want serious relationship I would still go for Sg girls..the idea of getting into serious relationship with prostitutes is just insane and tragic..unless u truly love her or u feel that u can't get the attractive Sg girls, I can't imagine why a guy would want to get into a serious relationship with a prostitute..end of the day I am sure all guys will pick the non-prostitute over the prostitute for a serious relationship, assuming both are of equal attractiveness..

What you say is correct to a certain extent.

Getting SG gals or gals from anywhere aside, the question is : Why do you want to get into relationship with a gal? Or what is one of the most important aspect that you want to get from a relationship with a gal? It is to have raw shiok shiok regular sex correct?

If you are trying to see it from a "status quo" aspect, then that is just one perspective.

I always ask people : Do you want a Ferrari that you can only drive once a week or a Honda Jazz that you can drives everyday or as many times as you want?

To me, I feel that end of the day, it is about being happy.

[Dotafan98]

Finding love and happiness is a very complicated subject..for me happiness I can always find from more safe stuff I enjoy doing like travelling, eating good food and playing basketball etc..better not from falling in love with a hooker..anw I feel the gfe are all fake de in commercial sex.. probably just to get u to RTF cos u are not a fk up customer..unless you are already popular among Sg girls and Sg girls always like to flirt with u, it's very hard to believe a wl is truly attracted to u when she gives u gfe..I saw a wl before waving happily goodbye to a customer and the moment she turn away, her face become very black and unhappy..

[Karaja]

扮猪吃老虎，欢场无真爱！

Next time she is going to tell her home is destroyed by flood or landslide, or her dearest sister lost all her money at Singapore casino, crowd funding from all her loyal patrons😂

Or either she will say in her kampong dog sick from giving birth, cow sick all the typical excuses just to suck your money dry.

[bradpitt968]

Finding love and happiness is a very complicated subject..for me happiness I can always find from more safe stuff I enjoy doing like travelling, eating good food and playing basketball etc..better not from falling in love with a hooker..anw I feel the gfe are all fake de in commercial sex.. probably just to get u to RTF cos u are not a fk up customer..unless you are already popular among Sg girls and Sg girls always like to flirt with u, it's very hard to believe a wl is truly attracted to u when she gives u gfe..I saw a wl before waving happily goodbye to a customer and the moment she turn away, her face become very black and unhappy..

You are totally right.

That is why I say that : It is all about do what that makes us happy.

YOLO. Life is short.

[bullterrier]

Maybe your love language is different. One of my guy friends told me, his wife hug him, kiss him, he still don't feel horny. He has to think of the nice things she has done for him, then only he is in the mood.

His love language is clearly 'acts of service'.

The 5 love languages book is maybe one of the most important and useful books I have read in my life. Recommend for everyone, to understand ourselves and this who we pursue.

Life - Recommending book on love language in sex forum. But then, sex is the most direct expression of love for many men.

true wisdom. Salute

[Dotafan98]

Ultimately still wiser to go for Sg girl..some will argue that Sg girl are practical and hard to deal with but these wls are even more practical if u think abt it..and these wls may not be the same person u know them as when they servicing you

[WhiteMilk]

I think the covid period really broke us.

Before Covid, and for years spanning from my last teenage years, my whole 20s and to early 30s, GL was the only thin thread separating me from "Managable Life" to "Extremely Depressed and Frustrated I Wanna End My Life".

For all these years, it literally kept me afloat especially after particularly hard days, and at least it also gave me a day to look forward to, especially during my aforementioned late teens years when I was only able to afford to visit GL once a month. That day in each month was pretty much the only thing I looked forward to.

The best years was in my mid 20s when I was able to visit GL at least weekly or even 2-3x weekly when that week was particularly harsh at work and I really badly needed a release to prevent myself from doing "something stupid"

But COVID period destroyed us all, and I guess that's why there's always this thought creeping about "finding love", or "finding an actual girlfriend".

[bradpitt968]

I think the covid period really broke us.

Before Covid, and for years spanning from my last teenage years, my whole 20s and to early 30s, GL was the only thin thread separating me from "Managable Life" to "Extremely Depressed and Frustrated I Wanna End My Life".

For all these years, it literally kept me afloat especially after particularly hard days, and at least it also gave me a day to look forward to, especially during my aforementioned late teens years when I was only able to afford to visit GL once a month. That day in each month was pretty much the only thing I looked forward to.

The best years was in my mid 20s when I was able to visit GL at least weekly or even 2-3x weekly when that week was particularly harsh at work and I really badly needed a release to prevent myself from doing "something stupid"

But COVID period destroyed us all, and I guess that's why there's always this thought creeping about "finding love", or "finding an actual girlfriend".

Men needs sex to feel love. Period.

That's why you see all the mistresses or whatever all begin with sex mah. You cannot imagine how powerful "giving good sex" does to a man.

The phrase 日久生情 is true especially when comes to good sex.

Many many marriages broke down because of the lack of sex. Most Sporean women are just not brought up put sex as a priority in relationship.

[GLexplorer]

Men needs sex to feel love. Period.

That's why you see all the mistresses or whatever all begin with sex mah. You cannot imagine how powerful "giving good sex" does to a man.

The phrase 日久生情 is true especially when comes to good sex.

Many many marriages broke down because of the lack of sex. Most Sporean women are just not brought up put sex as a priority in relationship.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs, lol.. never knew my degree can be put to good use here.

Btw, I don't agree fully, lust is temporary, fades off eventually, 1 week, 1 month or 10 years, it will eventually... That's why even the bust WL u will still rotate after awhile..
Love can exist without lust (maybe not totally without but mediocre lust) as long as other aspects are in-line..

[bradpitt968]

Maslow's hierarchy of needs, lol.. never knew my degree can be put to good use here.

Btw, I don't agree fully, lust is temporary, fades off eventually, 1 week, 1 month or 10 years, it will eventually... That's why even the bust WL u will still rotate after awhile..
Love can exist without lust (maybe not totally without but mediocre lust) as long as other aspects are in-line..

Yes. You are right. Lust is temporary. But sexual needs is essential to men. Different men will have different level of sexual appetite tho.

Love can exist without lust - Yes. But if you say "Love can exist without sex" for men, then I would say No.

When men have sex, oxytocin is release in our body which creates bond. Whereas, women have various avenues to get oxytocin. Men doesn't.

[BerryAirlearn]

if they dowan your money they become working girl and suck you off and let you poke for what? love? :confused:

[Sabxteur]

I recently met this FL at one of this house. She was amazing and i have been frequenting her for this past 1 week, every time i’m here she is always so happy to see me. She kept asking me if i have enough for myself if i kept coming to her. I couldn’t afford expensive gifts for her so i only bought her favourite soft toy and some snacks. I overnight once with her but the feeling of leaving the next day eats me up so i only choose to spend 1 hour with her and maybe have supper with her after she end work. We went out for a few times together and she always paid for the meals. Told me not to spend so much on her as she is very guilty. She doesn’t know how to repay me. Shares her life stories with me, even though i told her honestly that i cannot provide for her. Idk if this is all just her plot or is she truly in love with me. One thing i made it clear to her is that I’m a poor dude. I cannot provide things she needs. She assured me it’s fine she doesn’t need expensive stuff. Tells me she loves me. So who’s cheating who?

Wow this is literally a recipe for disaster, sound like you got KC-ed real bad.....

[WhiteMilk]

Wow this is literally a recipe for disaster, sound like you got KC-ed real bad.....

Personally, throuhgout my active years cheonging, whether in Legal GL scene, FL scenes, or even cheonging overseas, I have never experienced any KC Trap or anything of this sort whatsoever.

At most is, I bonk the gal, then I asked them for their numbers, and they usually gave me their Line/Wechat/Whatsapp (for GL gals), and Instagram (for gals in overseas scenes).

But then usually when I tried to chat them up, usually they just give me sibeh cold treatment then stop replying altogether, and when they do reply they just ask "when u coming again to see me?" type of thing and very straightforward exactly as I typed there.

Overseas is even more weird, like I said they gave me their insta and/or Facebook, then I added them in front of them

then when I got home, when I wanted to check out their profiles, they already blocked me immediately

Not sure why, maybe I am not yandao enough? Or I guess because in my active years, I was on the very young side, so those gals think that I am not rich towkay or anything and thus nothing to squeeze out of me?

But then again once I saw in a GL house, a very young dude just finished his session, then he came out with his gal, and left the joint starting up his maserati parked right outside the house. That gal, followed by other gals in the house all huddled in front of the house window, checking out the car and talking amongst themselves excitedly.

Very funny scene.

[p u r e]

Personally, throuhgout my active years cheonging, whether in Legal GL scene, FL scenes, or even cheonging overseas, I have never experienced any KC Trap or anything of this sort whatsoever.

At most is, I bonk the gal, then I asked them for their numbers, and they usually gave me their Line/Wechat/Whatsapp (for GL gals), and Instagram (for gals in overseas scenes).

But then usually when I tried to chat them up, usually they just give me sibeh cold treatment then stop replying altogether, and when they do reply they just ask "when u coming again to see me?" type of thing and very straightforward exactly as I typed there.

Overseas is even more weird, like I said they gave me their insta and/or Facebook, then I added them in front of them

then when I got home, when I wanted to check out their profiles, they already blocked me immediately

Not sure why, maybe I am not yandao enough? Or I guess because in my active years, I was on the very young side, so those gals think that I am not rich towkay or anything and thus nothing to squeeze out of me?

But then again once I saw in a GL house, a very young dude just finished his session, then he came out with his gal, and left the joint starting up his maserati parked right outside the house. That gal, followed by other gals in the house all huddled in front of the house window, checking out the car and talking amongst themselves excitedly.

Very funny scene.

so rich still come GL.

if i were that rich i would go FL all the way or have a bunch of regular fuck buddies. :D

[Lawrencegan]

so rich still come GL.

if i were that rich i would go FL all the way or have a bunch of regular fuck buddies. :D
To each his own. I can easily do dome 3 fl everyday but I still do dome1 and even go down to geylang cat 50 at times. Variety…

[iicecube]

I recently met this FL at one of this house.

First you already using money for exchange of "F" that mean nothing to do with love, if your wallet is big enough than maybe a better service from her the most. After you leave the session she will service next bros and this dont define as love.
Citizenship scam is very common so you gap you wanna be poor or F like a happy man your choice.

[iicecube]

so rich still come GL.

if i were that rich i would go FL all the way or have a bunch of regular fuck buddies. :D

Sugarbabe liao still need GL for what if he is that rich, I think he never really know how those 富二代/ah sei kia driving at least maserati walking with escorts.

[Fat Fatt]

Sugarbabe liao still need GL for what if he is that rich, I think he never really know how those 富二代/ah sei kia driving at least maserati walking with escorts.
If that rich and still have a wife , cannot be too flashy or show mistress. Kena divorce half the fortune goes to wife

Come GL quiet, book 3 hours to whole day quietly shiok or even multiple P sex

[elt0n]

tips for not falling into kc trap - don't talk about anything other than telling them to strip, suck, fuck and whatever degrading things you want, don't ask how is their day and why they are here to work, don't tell them about your life and if they tell you about theirs, tell them you're not interested and carry on sucking and fucking. after the deed is done, leave and don't exchange contact details. if she was a good fuck, rtf but repeat the same above.

[Jaykkk]

LOL i hope ure trolling

that, or you faster wake up from your dream

Geylang is a place for sex.

Fuck, and fuck off.

Never have emotions.. well, except being horny. Good to be friendly though.. basic human decency.

It's real, don't put your feelings in it

[bradpitt968]

so rich still come GL.

if i were that rich i would go FL all the way or have a bunch of regular fuck buddies. :D

You will be surprised.

I heard of a guy who gave one of the WL a sub card to use. Now, I saw many customer buy stuff for the WLs. Send GrabFood, Starbucks, etc.

In my humble limited experience, FL is not as good as many of the Geylang WLs that I came across.

[unfit]

You will be surprised.

I heard of a guy who gave one of the WL a sub card to use. Now, I saw many customer buy stuff for the WLs. Send GrabFood, Starbucks, etc.

In my humble limited experience, FL is not as good as many of the Geylang WLs that I came across.

yes normally we pass them a debit card...just in case :D

at least can control spending limit :p

[HalimahYakult]

I know of an angpai who cut card recently, told me she got BF liao and met him here in geylang, apparently happily together. So say these things don't happen also not 100%. Probably an anomaly so the norm is they're here after your money.

With regards to the angpai's BF, based on what i know, i feel sorry for him.

LOL i hope ure trolling

that, or you faster wake up from your dream

Geylang is a place for sex.

Fuck, and fuck off.

Never have emotions.. well, except being horny. Good to be friendly though.. basic human decency.

Whores r for fucking, not for loving.

Although i have to agree with what the earlier bros shared

But deep down only u know if the feeling is real

1 real piece of advice is to treat her like a really good fling and thats about it

She likes u, u like her yada yada, enjoy while it lasts, once she starts dissing u or comparing u with her other customers whom are able to pamper her with the material things, thats when u know she has a change of heart

The only time u start talking love is when she ends her stint here and u guys are still communicating 6 months later

Yes. Enjoy while it last.

The last part is so true. If they continue to text daily and chat, then maybe real but the test is the "reality of life". Once it kicks in, that is where the dream ends.

But there are successful story tho.

Good luck to TS.

[p u r e]

sometimes need to be realistic and look at things from a probability POV.. lol.. and the risk of being toyed around..

[HalimahYakult]

sometimes need to be realistic and look at things from a probability POV.. lol.. and the risk of being toyed around..

yeah lor so like i said, high chance except for maybe 1 in a 100 is not 100% for the money.. even if really love the guy.. also love his money la fuck

[bradpitt968]

yeah lor so like i said, high chance except for maybe 1 in a 100 is not 100% for the money.. even if really love the guy.. also love his money la fuck

The thing about life is that the harsh reality of life is real.

Yes. We can talk about love or whatever but when faced with reality of life, it is all about money. So we can't really blame them for wanting to have security. Having said that, nothing is permanent in life.

Some of the WLs don't really save and plan. They just spent. If no $$, then work lor. So those who doesn't save and plan, will end up always on the vicious cycle.

So enjoy while it last.

[gmaster]

If that rich and still have a wife , cannot be too flashy or show mistress. Kena divorce half the fortune goes to wife

Come GL quiet, book 3 hours to whole day quietly shiok or even multiple P sex

corret. like go 7 11 fuck pay go. no bring cow home

[unfit]

I know of an angpai who cut card recently, told me she got BF liao and met him here in geylang, apparently happily together. So say these things don't happen also not 100%. Probably an anomaly so the norm is they're here after your money.

With regards to the angpai's BF, based on what i know, i feel sorry for him.

she's here for yusof for sure

she's happy to get Robert

She's happy to milk him dry ... Money not semen



the AP who I fucked and creamed many times is now a naturalised sinkie

hubby very rich and used to be her client

she's milking him daily not semen huh

but boss said

Whores are for fucking not loving

But samsters said

Can marry hooker and don't prostitute your wife

Anyway we only live once

Most important we must be happy

Life is short

Let's fuck hard :D

[BerryAirlearn]

she's here for yusof for sure

the AP who I fucked and creamed many times is now a naturalised sinkie



I suppose she is FL not GL? White card holders cannot return and ROM

[unfit]

I suppose she is FL not GL? White card holders cannot return and ROM

She's yellow card holder

[walaueh123]

first off, im not trying to disparage WLs but let me share my own thoughts based on abit of exp. There are fairy tale stories but remember they are the exceptions not the norm!

Before you wonder if she likes you or not, pls ask yourself if this is a result of you thinking way too much.

For all you know, maybe they already divorced and already has a son/daughter in Thailand. Its not uncommon for rural Thai girls to give birth at 16,17 yo. any of her parents, siblings, children back home, is more impt than you. Why would she develop feelings for you just because you are her regular customer?

Even if she's never married before, maybe she already had a boyfriend but things didn't work out? maybe before coming to Singapore, she already worked in Hongkong, Cambodia, South Korea and already fucked thousands of men? To her, men who come to these places are just wads of cash. I dare say that all those 'lovey dovey' words that you told her have already been said to her many times before. what makes you so special?

Similarly, whatever she says to you, i can confirm she already has tried it on other men, and whatever she is saying to you now, she will also use it on other men. so you are just one of many. Not wrong if you want to buy presents/Grabfood for her. its your $$$ but there are better places to spend those $$$. (recession coming).

Wanna know if she really likes you? stop buying stuffs for her and notice the difference. if a girl really likes you would she ask you to buy stuffs for her constantly?

Look, the reason why she smiles at you then sucks your cock and then repeats the same thing with the next guy is cos of her family back home, thats the only reason why she's here. to her, you are just another customer, thats it. they just want to make money here and go back home. are you able to give her $$$ so that she can go back now? cos i can tell you thats what they are thinking. love or no love is of very little importance to them.

The reason why she wants to kumching you or perhaps offer you Raw is becos she wants you to keep looking for her, so she can sleep instead of working. so that instead of booking 2 slots, you will book 8 slots instead. nothing to do with liking you.

When you go Geylang, pls don't think too much. you are only there to release. the whole thing is not real, even the girl knows it herself. if she 'finds' a bf, then you should be glad its not you, be glad she's someone elses' problem. Are you sure you want to give up the freedom of fucking any girl in the house? if you have feelings for her, then wait till she goes back to Thailand and ask yourself if you still feel the same.

If the girl is a good bonk then RTF, if she's bad then move on to next girl. if you think shes trying to KC you, move on. if she tells you about her life story, her family story, her ex-bf/husband, move on. she ask you buy food for her, move on. the deal is simple you give money she provide service.

[HalimahYakult]

She's yellow card holder

Just curious how does yellow card holder come back SG if at all possible?

[clean&neat]

Stop buying her stuff. Tell her you are normal blue collar working person making ends meet. You are tight on cash so will only book her and see her when you can. Sometimes you will skip a meal or other spending just so you can see her. You have been looking for a hardworking girl to make your wife.

Depending on her response. If she offer some money to you or share her food because you told her you haven't eaten today just to see her, then its a good sign. If she start talking about how she can open a small business using her savings and both of you can make it together, its a good sign.

If she pities you, fucks you, look at her phone for her next client, then you are just another client.

While we may think the FLs are here to look for money, they also think we are all unreliable men who visits them when their pussy looks good but will quickly swap to the next FL if not.

Some of them very good at the KC game. I met a China girl, she loves kissing me, she initiates, she looks into my eyes and kiss me and does not stop. Kiss when we meet, kiss in shower, kiss in bed, kiss when fucking, kiss when cuddling, kiss when leaving. She caresses my face, cuddles to talk, tell me she has a special feeling when I stepped into the room. Let me touch her everywhere, she humps me and hugs me to her orgasm or pretend orgasm. Wow like a dream GF. I have to slap myself to wake up.

The hour is over she walks out and on to the next client. Thats why they are ang pais and people pay so much to have them.

Be real, they will not want to settle down with us. They think since we come to GL how faithful can we be to them? No security lah, might as well make as much money as they can, then go home and find a dumbass man to marry. She will say she came to Singapore to work in hospitality industry lah.

Sometimes you desire that which you cannot get. But once you get it, will you not get buyer's remorse? How certain are you that after fucking her everyday, a few times a day, for a few weeks or months, you will still desire her or will we see you back in GL hunting again?

Best to play the game bro. In the room, money paid, treat her well, imagine she is your GF, she imagines you are her BF. After that we go our merry way, and she fucks the next person. Quid pro quo bro. Part of the game. Don't get KC-ed.

[walaueh123]

Just curious how does yellow card holder come back SG if at all possible?

they can't enter SG for Two years. after that as tourist or short term visa no problem

[unfit]

Just curious how does yellow card holder come back SG if at all possible?

not easy lots of huddle to clear;)

but still possible:)

[BerryAirlearn]

not easy lots of huddle to clear;)

but still possible:)

but white card is 100% impossible, correct?

[unfit]

but white card is 100% impossible, correct?

you mean those deported ones right?

Yes my friend kena permanent banned from entering

[Penofthewest]

they can't enter SG for Two years. after that as tourist or short term visa no problem

I thought all yellow cards got lifetime ban. How do they do differentiate?

[walaueh123]

I thought all yellow cards got lifetime ban. How do they do differentiate?

I know of 3, who had children with a Singaporean, and came in as a spouse.

and One, who had no child with the Singaporean, and came in on short term visa. they ROM already. this one went back home 15 yrs ago.

I think the requirements now already tighten. need to have children. even with children also wont be smooth sailing.

so for those men who let the little head take over the big head, know that for 1st few years of your child growing up you can only see them over zoom. and you and your thai wife need to maintain long distance relationship.

[walaueh123]

I thought all yellow cards got lifetime ban. How do they do differentiate?

I stand corrected. I asked the girl who went back 15 yrs ago. she said the girls can only enter Singapore if they are married to a citizen.

If not, then they must email ICA for approval, EVEN IF they want to enter Singapore as a tourist. they can't enter without approval from ICA

Alternatively the bf or the sponsor can email ICA and sat she's entering Singapore for marriage. only if ICA approves then only she can enter Singapore. later you produce the ROM cert they will give her LTVP

She says ultimately a large part of it is based on the sponsor himself.

[JonnyFunnny]

Just curious how does yellow card holder come back SG if at all possible?

what is the difference between white and yellow cards? can old birds kindly explain?

[BerryAirlearn]

what is the difference between white and yellow cards? can old birds kindly explain?

white card is issued by AV. girl will be deported and banned from re-entering. not exactly sure the terms of yellow card, except that they have some violations but may enter again in the future. shall let the experts explain clearer.

[unfit]

what is the difference between white and yellow cards? can old birds kindly explain?

white card is issued by AV. girl will be deported and banned from re-entering. not exactly sure the terms of yellow card, except that they have some violations but may enter again in the future. shall let the experts explain clearer.

there is two kind actually

first kind is awaiting deportation visa white card

second is white medical card for licensed ML

yellow medical card for licensed sex worker

[BerryAirlearn]

there is two kind actually

first kind is awaiting deportation visa white card

second is white medical card for licensed ML

yellow medical card for licensed sex worker

ahhh i see. kam sia for enlightening. but i very surprised yellow card holders (ex GL girl) can come back ROM. i thought it is a very strict no no policy:confused:

[unfit]

ahhh i see. kam sia for enlightening. but i very surprised yellow card holders (ex GL girl) can come back ROM. i thought it is a very strict no no policy:confused:

can but not easy many hurdles to clear at least still possible :)

during wedding banquet expect your bride to invite all her supporters :D

[BerryAirlearn]

can but not easy many hurdles to clear at least still possible :)

during wedding banquet expect your bride to invite all her supporters :D

don't wanna open a can of worms here as to debate why some bros would marry ex working girl :D

[unfit]

don't wanna open a can of worms here as to debate why some bros would marry ex working girl :D

me wanted but kena rejected cos old fat ugly piece of shit :(

[BerryAirlearn]

me wanted but kena rejected cos old fat ugly piece of shit :(

got start story thread on adult discussions? :D

[unfit]

got start story thread on adult discussions? :D

knn paiseh to the max kena rejected by whores :o

[BerryAirlearn]

knn paiseh to the max kena rejected by whores :o

can share? or i pm you? like to learn from senpai :D

[walaueh123]

ahhh i see. kam sia for enlightening. but i very surprised yellow card holders (ex GL girl) can come back ROM. i thought it is a very strict no no policy:confused:


*Edit/repost cos VPN got disconnected*

you can come back to ROM but read my earlier post, its based on a case by case basis. She can only enter if ICA approves, even if its for ROM purposes. on top of that she also must wait for 2 years before ICA will consider it.

Or you can ROM with her in Thailand but that will be more paperwork for you. But even if ROM in Thailand, there is also a 2 year waiting period. and it all depends on the sponser (husband). whether she's here or in Thailand she expects you to support her and her family. if you got no money, she will just carry on working.

these girls who come here are only here for a reason, money. whether its money for her own kids, or parents. To them we are only paying customers, you can sweet talk her all you want but she has already heard them all before. you can clean yourself out to see her but after you leave the house its on to the next customer. the most is she will remember you as a good customer when she goes back.

the reason why she's horny and willing to learn is becos she knows thats what men like, and a happy customer is a repeat customer.

so how to know if she really likes you? is she willing to wait 2 years for you in Thailand? and are you? is she willing to move to SG permanently or she wants you to buy house for her in Thailand? 99% of the time when the girl goes back the relationship is also finished as well. buying gifts or grabfood for her will not make her like you, in fact if she likes you she will not ask you to buy anything for her cos she doesn't want to come across as needy. its only the customers that she will ask to buy. she may go along and play the game with you like with others, cos she wants to see how much she can get from you.

And pls do not assume they need any sort of help. she's sure to have connections to ppl in govt,running own biz,IT worker etc etc in her pool of customers.

if you are still in your twenties and you don't have any family commitments yet, then you should use your time and money on more productive things. do not destroy yourself over a girl.

again NOT dissing working ladies, but you need to understand and come face to face with the reality both of you are in. ask yourself, do you want to marry someone who treats sex like drinking water or someone who treats it like a precious thing.

[unfit]

can share? or i pm you? like to learn from senpai :D

dun wan lah even her mum also cant help me...knnccb :o

failure don't learn :D

should be protege of those naturalised ex WL hubbies :p

[BerryAirlearn]

the girls do not need any help, cos within her group of customers surely will have one working in govt, start own business, tech worker, etc etc. she only need to open her mouth many guys will come and help.

if the ROM successful, she expects you to support her and her family. if you don't have money she will just continue working in other countries.

1) confirm got many white knights and fans.

2) yup. if cannot satisfy the appetite, will just continue to work. but appetite keeps growing, better think carefully before signing up :D

[BerryAirlearn]

dun wan lah even her mum also cant help me...knnccb :o

failure don't learn :D

should be protege of those naturalised ex WL hubbies :p

kaypoh abit - how long ago was this, and how did you move on?

[walaueh123]

can share? or i pm you? like to learn from senpai :D

All you need to know is you can't wife a whore and judge ppl by their actions not words. There are rare exceptions but those are rare. It's painful at first but in life you need to cut it out of your body no matter how painful it is, in order for you to grow.

[BerryAirlearn]

All you need to know is you can't wife a whore and judge ppl by their actions not words. There are rare exceptions but those are rare. It's painful at first but in life you need to cut it out of your body no matter how painful it is, in order for you to grow.

personal experience?

[unfit]

kaypoh abit - how long ago was this, and how did you move on?

Yes first generation of PRC haizzzzz :(

[lonelyfish]

there is two kind actually

first kind is awaiting deportation visa white card

second is white medical card for licensed ML

yellow medical card for licensed sex worker

What is difference between the white card for ML and yellow card for WL? I ever thought of being with a ML before ...

[unfit]

What is difference between the white card for ML and yellow card for WL? I ever thought of being with a ML before ...

White ML due half yearly

Yellow WL monthly then bi monthly

[lonelyfish]

White ML due half yearly

Yellow WL monthly then bi monthly

Got any difference between the contracts for ML? Eg: Kena ban from entering SG like WL? etc ...

[unfit]

Got any difference between the contracts for ML? Eg: Kena ban from entering SG like WL? etc ...

ML don't have travel restrictions

That's why they are allowed to go home holiday and back

ML also renewable unlike WL two years tenure only

[sex1over]

Did a speed read on this thread so maybe someone before might have advise but just wanna pen down my thoughts.

Let's really dig deeper into the issue. Love / infatuation / lust is merely a passing emotion which will somehow fade or develop into something else much later. Speaking from a person who had an overseas stint previously, it is very natural to feel the need for emotional support when in a foreign land away from family and friends but once you're back in your own country, the feeling fades away. The strong emotion that you feel in the foreign land will be long forgotten.

When love is mentioned, i would assume marriage is on the table. Marriage is a life long commitment so it transcend beyond the simple emotion such as love or lust. It is about having someone who you're gonna share your life with, simple things such as how the laundry should be done can be a spark to ignite a fight between married couple. The challenge of a foreign nationality wife is that the upbringing and social life experience might be entirely different which potentially brings about conflicts.

I'm a sucker for the underdog and love to root for the one that have the lower odds for winning but to stake your life-long happiness, it's an entire different story.

Another question that you would wanna ask yourself is that "Do you want her to love you?"

[GLexplorer]

I think if that question crosses your mind, you should have already have your answer, which is most probably right..

[lonelyfish]

ML don't have travel restrictions

That's why they are allowed to go home holiday and back

ML also renewable unlike WL two years tenure only

Oh, didn't know about that. Means there's chance to develop something with a ML or have a longer time with her. I hope my regular ML can keep staying here.

[ATCong]

Actually they are just doing a job, they didn't beg/borrow/steal or harm anyone.
I would not feel embarrassed about it if I marry her, cos that is what true love is.
Anyway love is blind, lol.
Just IMO.

[unfit]

Oh, didn't know about that. Means there's chance to develop something with a ML or have a longer time with her. I hope my regular ML can keep staying here.

so long her white medical didn't beCum white visa :p

[sammy1984]

Actually they are just doing a job, they didn't beg/borrow/steal or harm anyone.
I would not feel embarrassed about it if I marry her, cos that is what true love is.
Anyway love is blind, lol.
Just IMO.

blind as fuck. agreed.

[lonelyfish]

so long her white medical didn't beCum white visa :p

I only know about WL card, didn't understand about ML card. But I must say, the MLs are very addictive.

[unfit]

I only know about WL card, didn't understand about ML card. But I must say, the MLs are very addictive.


addictive expensive hobby :D

[GN007SG]

I only know about WL card, didn't understand about ML card. But I must say, the MLs are very addictive.

ML card?
it is just another SP, WP

[unfit]

ML card?
it is just another SP, WP:)

He’s referring to the medical card not work permit but anyway now only ePermit no more physical pass :)

[bigboy84]

If you're questioning about it, then you might know the answer already.

[BerryAirlearn]

Yes first generation of PRC haizzzzz :(

on the bright side, now she lao aunty liao while you still piaking SYTs :D

[unfit]

on the bright side, now she lao aunty liao while you still piaking SYTs :D

Yes she's 30s now but me loves 30s 40s MILF now :D

[Bill97]

Recently my regular wl asked me to buy something for her as a gift, 800+???!!!! I believe she is crazy of asking me that.. with this 800, I can go around 4 session with different wl.. with that, I said to myself, sourcing for other better wl..

hahaha, maybe she thought you're her sugar daddy

[qwerty555]

Did a speed read on this thread so maybe someone before might have advise but just wanna pen down my thoughts.

Let's really dig deeper into the issue. Love / infatuation / lust is merely a passing emotion which will somehow fade or develop into something else much later. Speaking from a person who had an overseas stint previously, it is very natural to feel the need for emotional support when in a foreign land away from family and friends but once you're back in your own country, the feeling fades away. The strong emotion that you feel in the foreign land will be long forgotten.

When love is mentioned, i would assume marriage is on the table. Marriage is a life long commitment so it transcend beyond the simple emotion such as love or lust. It is about having someone who you're gonna share your life with, simple things such as how the laundry should be done can be a spark to ignite a fight between married couple. The challenge of a foreign nationality wife is that the upbringing and social life experience might be entirely different which potentially brings about conflicts.

I'm a sucker for the underdog and love to root for the one that have the lower odds for winning but to stake your life-long happiness, it's an entire different story.

Another question that you would wanna ask yourself is that "Do you want her to love you?"


your opinion is on point, give another perspective in this thread.

[bradpitt968]

Recently my regular wl asked me to buy something for her as a gift, 800+???!!!! I believe she is crazy of asking me that.. with this 800, I can go around 4 session with different wl.. with that, I said to myself, sourcing for other better wl..

WL should never ask any guys to buy anything for them.

Those WLs who gives enough "value" the customer, they don't even need to ask and customer will give them things liao.

[walaueh123]

If the WL speaks your native language i.e. Chinese, offers you raw and cum inside, and tells you her life story, then you better stay as far away from her as you can. Or i guarantee you will sink into a living hell.

Instead of asking whether she likes you, you should count your lucky stars that your are NOT her "boyfriend".

If you like raw then go find a real gf. Even WL themselves will advise you to don't do Raw.

Despite many good intentions and advice, men still fall into this trap. Geylang is littered with men who cleaned themselves out for WL. You think you have a special relationship with her that nobody else does, you are wrong. You are not special. 99.999% of all these relationships are the same.

Go and get a good, slutty, horny bonk. but don't forget to fuck and forget. If you are young, you got time on your side. Use it well. In future when you achieve success, there will be lots of horny, slutty, sexy young ladies queuing up to be your gf.

[lucidlucifer]

If the WL speaks your native language i.e. Chinese, offers you raw and cum inside, and tells you her life story, then you better stay as far away from her as you can. Or i guarantee you will sink into a living hell.

Instead of asking whether she likes you, you should count your lucky stars that your are NOT her "boyfriend".

If you like raw then go find a real gf. Even WL themselves will advise you to don't do Raw.

Despite many good intentions and advice, men still fall into this trap. Geylang is littered with men who cleaned themselves out for WL. You think you have a special relationship with her that nobody else does, you are wrong. You are not special. 99.999% of all these relationships are the same.

Go and get a good, slutty, horny bonk. but don't forget to fuck and forget. If you are young, you got time on your side. Use it well. In future when you achieve success, there will be lots of horny, slutty, sexy young ladies queuing up to be your gf.

Very nice 👍🏻

[Lawrencegan]

Some of the signs I have encountered

For dome 1 girls, they will either ask you to book last slot of the day or they will tell you to come to them after they are done (applies to ladies who stay in hotels) and then you stay the night with them for free. They will happily use their own money to buy ticket to meet you in another country for example malaysia just to see you after they go back. All these before they start asking you to send them money for which you don’t have to send… and see if they will continue talking to you..

For geylang girls, some of the signs are, they refuse to let you tip them, refuse to let you give them extra money unless it’s their birthday. They may even pay bosses to extend slot with you since it’s cheaper for them to do it this way to rest but also for them to spend time with someone they like. They will even tell okt in advance that you are coming to ensure that they serve you and not some other walk in customer. Some will cook for you or prepare some snacks for you in advance, others will spray room with nice perfume as you know the rooms can get quite smelly after a whole day of workers in and out (pun intended)

Now whether they do it out of love or simply out of loneliness, no one actually knows…. Only time will tell. I ever encountered a dome 1 fl who went back already did all the above, I even stayed at her place for a week in bangkok and had a good one week worth of banging and nice home cooked Thai food. Paid her some allowance only. She started asking for more money due to ‘problems’ but I sent some only. She still continues to talk to me till this day.

[Penofthewest]

It is possible to fall in love with a whore (defined loosely as GL WL, ML, sugar babe, siamdiu girl, ktv girl) and for them to also fall in love with you. Ultimately if there isn’t any single shred of emotion, you won’t go back to the same girl. It’s the gray area between having some liking and falling heads over heels that chiongsters have to balance. Sometimes we just want to feel alive, and the process of liking a WL girl helps that, but you have to be mature enough and know when to cut it.

When you’re in your 30s and beyond, it is not just as simple as liking someone. Even if you’re financially capable of supporting a WL, it’s not as simple as just doing it for her. Are you ready to be in a relationship with someone at that age? Even if you’re single, do you really want a relationship with anyone? It is not as simple as emotions, we are not 18 year olds and we have to make LIFE choices.

Even if you decide to be in a relationship with her, you have to be man enough to ignore the fact that she once saw 1000 different dicks, and had orgasms with many different men, or swallowed the cum of many different balls. If you’re someone financially capable of supporting a WL, chances are your ego won’t allow you to accept this fact fully.

All women eventually become the same in terms of sex appeal and hot romance. Once in a while we run into a whore that tugs at our heartstrings. I say go for it, play with it for a while, and know you have to end it. The falling in love and termination of a short lived relationship can keep you alive. It can make you feel human and expose you to the full range of emotions you once felt when you’re young. But you have to end it. Because you’re not young anymore and life is more than a rainbow of different emotions.

[Triple_H]

what 3 things makes a person happy in life. First, someone to love, second something you like to do, third something to look forward to everyday.

No matter what issue we are talking about. Its about the feeling you have for yourself. Yes i spend more money now after i started visiting GL. Does it makes me happy? Yes of cos. money can earn back but happiness is not easily achieved.

The issue about falling in love with girls at GL i feel is the same for every single girls out there. nowadays dating also not easy, because girls now choosy also, i met many when i sign up for dating agency.

Follow your heart, but always think of the consequences and make sure you can tank it.

Just my 2 Cents. i am not married and no GF, seen many things i life. Live for yourself bah, not under other people criticism or comments. IF you die, you die. no regrets

[bradpitt968]

If the WL speaks your native language i.e. Chinese, offers you raw and cum inside, and tells you her life story, then you better stay as far away from her as you can. Or i guarantee you will sink into a living hell.

Instead of asking whether she likes you, you should count your lucky stars that your are NOT her "boyfriend".

If you like raw then go find a real gf. Even WL themselves will advise you to don't do Raw.

Despite many good intentions and advice, men still fall into this trap. Geylang is littered with men who cleaned themselves out for WL. You think you have a special relationship with her that nobody else does, you are wrong. You are not special. 99.999% of all these relationships are the same.

Go and get a good, slutty, horny bonk. but don't forget to fuck and forget. If you are young, you got time on your side. Use it well. In future when you achieve success, there will be lots of horny, slutty, sexy young ladies queuing up to be your gf.

Agree to a certain extend. I guess there will be exception.

If wanna do RAW in peace, just go get yourself "PrEP" at DSC. This will NOT prevent STD but will make you immune to HIV.

As for the getting slutty sexy young ladies, this one really depends. Usually it will end up with WLs. Because normal SG gals will probably NOT be able to give the same sexual experience most of the time.

Take for example, CIM + swallow, how many SG gals are willing to do it?

Anyway, let's hope more good WLs will come to SG who willl provide good service.

[bradpitt968]

Some of the signs I have encountered

For dome 1 girls, they will either ask you to book last slot of the day or they will tell you to come to them after they are done (applies to ladies who stay in hotels) and then you stay the night with them for free. They will happily use their own money to buy ticket to meet you in another country for example malaysia just to see you after they go back. All these before they start asking you to send them money for which you don’t have to send… and see if they will continue talking to you..

For geylang girls, some of the signs are, they refuse to let you tip them, refuse to let you give them extra money unless it’s their birthday. They may even pay bosses to extend slot with you since it’s cheaper for them to do it this way to rest but also for them to spend time with someone they like. They will even tell okt in advance that you are coming to ensure that they serve you and not some other walk in customer. Some will cook for you or prepare some snacks for you in advance, others will spray room with nice perfume as you know the rooms can get quite smelly after a whole day of workers in and out (pun intended)

Now whether they do it out of love or simply out of loneliness, no one actually knows…. Only time will tell. I ever encountered a dome 1 fl who went back already did all the above, I even stayed at her place for a week in bangkok and had a good one week worth of banging and nice home cooked Thai food. Paid her some allowance only. She started asking for more money due to ‘problems’ but I sent some only. She still continues to talk to me till this day.

Wah! You must be very yantao lor. Wish got your kind of luck leh.

Can share how long liao and she still keep in contact with you?

[Lawrencegan]

Not Yandao 1.65mn and abit pudgy at 70kg. You just need to find the right girl with the right chemistry

The lady that I have been in contact with about 15 months already.

[bradpitt968]

what 3 things makes a person happy in life. First, someone to love, second something you like to do, third something to look forward to everyday.

No matter what issue we are talking about. Its about the feeling you have for yourself. Yes i spend more money now after i started visiting GL. Does it makes me happy? Yes of cos. money can earn back but happiness is not easily achieved.

The issue about falling in love with girls at GL i feel is the same for every single girls out there. nowadays dating also not easy, because girls now choosy also, i met many when i sign up for dating agency.

Follow your heart, but always think of the consequences and make sure you can tank it.

Just my 2 Cents. i am not married and no GF, seen many things i life. Live for yourself bah, not under other people criticism or comments. IF you die, you die. no regrets

The 3 things you mentioned is SO TRUE! Guess ALL men's 3rd thing is the same. LOL!

Yes. YOLO. We don't know whether we will wake up tomorrow.

Personally, I feel that for SG gals, those that easy to date and less expectation, probably not chio busty enough. Those chio busty one, sex may not be so good also. Dating is in Singapore is not easy. The gals have really high expectation. But for men, what we want is chio busty gal who is gentle and caring towards us and who can give us pornstar sex.

Then you find one that is chio busty but you need to have the $$ to splurge and maybe don't get to even hold their hands.

I always tell people, guy knows a gal, have sex first, if sexually compatible, then see whether can be together. If sexually not compatible, then just end liao. Say so much for what?

Yes. Live our life without regrets.

[bradpitt968]

It is possible to fall in love with a whore (defined loosely as GL WL, ML, sugar babe, siamdiu girl, ktv girl) and for them to also fall in love with you. Ultimately if there isn’t any single shred of emotion, you won’t go back to the same girl. It’s the gray area between having some liking and falling heads over heels that chiongsters have to balance. Sometimes we just want to feel alive, and the process of liking a WL girl helps that, but you have to be mature enough and know when to cut it.

When you’re in your 30s and beyond, it is not just as simple as liking someone. Even if you’re financially capable of supporting a WL, it’s not as simple as just doing it for her. Are you ready to be in a relationship with someone at that age? Even if you’re single, do you really want a relationship with anyone? It is not as simple as emotions, we are not 18 year olds and we have to make LIFE choices.

Even if you decide to be in a relationship with her, you have to be man enough to ignore the fact that she once saw 1000 different dicks, and had orgasms with many different men, or swallowed the cum of many different balls. If you’re someone financially capable of supporting a WL, chances are your ego won’t allow you to accept this fact fully.

All women eventually become the same in terms of sex appeal and hot romance. Once in a while we run into a whore that tugs at our heartstrings. I say go for it, play with it for a while, and know you have to end it. The falling in love and termination of a short lived relationship can keep you alive. It can make you feel human and expose you to the full range of emotions you once felt when you’re young. But you have to end it. Because you’re not young anymore and life is more than a rainbow of different emotions.

What we want to feel is : To love and to be loved.
The feeling that somebody is thinking of you and we are thinking of them. Usually alot of sex will brings that feeling of attachment. That is especially how we men are wired. Gals who understand this, will rule the world. LOL!

Yes. What we want is "Lightning could strike" feeling in the movie "Meet Joe Black".

Source : https://youtu.be/9EV3DKPo-4U

It is true that it may not be so easy for any men to swallow the fact that the gal has gave pleasure to so many other men and that she was a literally a "pleasure machine" to any men who paid but given time, it may become acceptable. But I guess, it is the choice of whoever, there is no right and no wrong. Who are we to judge?

Life is short. YOLO. Be happy.

[Triple_H]

The 3 things you mentioned is SO TRUE! Guess ALL men's 3rd thing is the same. LOL!

Yes. YOLO. We don't know whether we will wake up tomorrow.

Personally, I feel that for SG gals, those that easy to date and less expectation, probably not chio busty enough. Those chio busty one, sex may not be so good also. Dating is in Singapore is not easy. The gals have really high expectation. But for men, what we want is chio busty gal who is gentle and caring towards us and who can give us pornstar sex.

Then you find one that is chio busty but you need to have the $$ to splurge and maybe don't get to even hold their hands.

I always tell people, guy knows a gal, have sex first, if sexually compatible, then see whether can be together. If sexually not compatible, then just end liao. Say so much for what?

Yes. Live our life without regrets.

Social media destroying the society, last time is not like this. Its sad but times changed, we have to change too

[lonelyfish]

what 3 things makes a person happy in life. First, someone to love, second something you like to do, third something to look forward to everyday.

No matter what issue we are talking about. Its about the feeling you have for yourself. Yes i spend more money now after i started visiting GL. Does it makes me happy? Yes of cos. money can earn back but happiness is not easily achieved.

The issue about falling in love with girls at GL i feel is the same for every single girls out there. nowadays dating also not easy, because girls now choosy also, i met many when i sign up for dating agency.

Follow your heart, but always think of the consequences and make sure you can tank it.

Just my 2 Cents. i am not married and no GF, seen many things i life. Live for yourself bah, not under other people criticism or comments. IF you die, you die. no regrets

Actually, I want to go to GL less and chionging in general, it made me overspent and lost interest doing things I like to do. Of course, sometimes I still want to experience the various kind of special fun overseas. But now the more stressful I felt, the more I went to GL, cuz stress is another problem itself. I don't have much things to look forward to, I wanted a less complicated life, but this is a problem. Many ladies don't want a guy like this. I didn't go to GL just because I want sex, I didn't even care if I can cum there or not. I just wanted to have someone to keep me company, relax and take away the stress that other people are giving me. Touching, hugging, caressing and DFK are very relaxing for me, that's why I need to find WLs who can provide these and gives very good gfe. Treating the WLs nicely during the session is the best way to get good gfe. The sex is just to avoid doing DIY as much as possible, you can see I didn't care much about this part in my FRs.

The part about falling in love with these ladies, I don't have this feeling, though I did felt a loss when Momo RTC. She gave the best gfe at that time, but now there are so many very good WLs in GL who can give excellent gfe. My problem now is with my regular PRC ML, she makes time outside of work to keep me company and gives me better gfe than what the WLs can give me. I spent much effort to develop chemistry with her to this stage. I don't know how exactly she feels about me, I'm afraid it will become too deep, but at the same time, these feelings are probably the reason for the better gfe feel. I won't help her directly with her issues, but I will still tip her normally. Not sure what happens in future.

I've also tried dating agency. Finding someone to love is difficult here for me. The girls may be choosy, but we are choosy too. Not to mention, they don't have the type of girls I wanted. The basic requirement to sign up already tell me that the kind of girls I want will be rare here. I don't have high requirements, they can't meet my requirements because I wanted someone below their standards. There are plenty of such girls around in the form of FWs, but we can't have them easily. I wanted a very simple woman who don't need much to feel satisfied.

[Triple_H]

I've also tried dating agency. Finding someone to love is difficult here for me. The girls may be choosy, but we are choosy too. Not to mention, they don't have the type of girls I wanted. The basic requirement to sign up already tell me that the kind of girls I want will be rare here. I don't have high requirements, they can't meet my requirements because I wanted someone below their standards. There are plenty of such girls around in the form of FWs, but we can't have them easily. I wanted a very simple woman who don't need much to feel satisfied.


Just remember dont chase things that are not yours, if its yours , it will come back. Dont force , dont hope, let it flow. I agreed about visiting geylang to tame your loneliness. I too also want more gfe, we all are different. End of the day , do what you like and feel whats best. Play safe stay safe. Always think about yourself first.

I dont blame girls that are asking for too much from guys, end of the day they cant find what they want is not my problem. They suffer not me. I enjoying my time now which is the most important.

[GN007SG]

Social media destroying the society, last time is not like this. Its sad but times changed, we have to change too

actually i feel is just advancement of technology changing society as a whole

also women getting more educated is actually kind of bad
as the saying goes 女子无才便是德
if we wan gender equality in our era, we will lose something elsewhere

[gizz]

Actually it is true. Men get Sian very quickly. Was having fun texting a WL. Now finding it a serious chore.

How you bros end it off

[Triple_H]

actually i feel is just advancement of technology changing society as a whole

also women getting more educated is actually kind of bad
as the saying goes 女子无才便是德
if we wan gender equality in our era, we will lose something elsewhere

Yup, nothing we can do. Maybe down the road the gender roles switch. Man stay at home do house work.

[bradpitt968]

Social media destroying the society, last time is not like this. Its sad but times changed, we have to change too

Agree. Part of revolution, bo bian one.

The day when Android robots can be replace plumber and electrician, is the day that we can have Android robots to replace both men and women liao.

https://youtu.be/O25tenfOXqc

When this becomes reality, then it will be ho say for human for a short period of time liao. Birth rate will drops to near zero and then end of human race. LOL!

[bradpitt968]

Actually, I want to go to GL less and chionging in general, it made me overspent and lost interest doing things I like to do. Of course, sometimes I still want to experience the various kind of special fun overseas. But now the more stressful I felt, the more I went to GL, cuz stress is another problem itself. I don't have much things to look forward to, I wanted a less complicated life, but this is a problem. Many ladies don't want a guy like this. I didn't go to GL just because I want sex, I didn't even care if I can cum there or not. I just wanted to have someone to keep me company, relax and take away the stress that other people are giving me. Touching, hugging, caressing and DFK are very relaxing for me, that's why I need to find WLs who can provide these and gives very good gfe. Treating the WLs nicely during the session is the best way to get good gfe. The sex is just to avoid doing DIY as much as possible, you can see I didn't care much about this part in my FRs.

The part about falling in love with these ladies, I don't have this feeling, though I did felt a loss when Momo RTC. She gave the best gfe at that time, but now there are so many very good WLs in GL who can give excellent gfe. My problem now is with my regular PRC ML, she makes time outside of work to keep me company and gives me better gfe than what the WLs can give me. I spent much effort to develop chemistry with her to this stage. I don't know how exactly she feels about me, I'm afraid it will become too deep, but at the same time, these feelings are probably the reason for the better gfe feel. I won't help her directly with her issues, but I will still tip her normally. Not sure what happens in future.

I've also tried dating agency. Finding someone to love is difficult here for me. The girls may be choosy, but we are choosy too. Not to mention, they don't have the type of girls I wanted. The basic requirement to sign up already tell me that the kind of girls I want will be rare here. I don't have high requirements, they can't meet my requirements because I wanted someone below their standards. There are plenty of such girls around in the form of FWs, but we can't have them easily. I wanted a very simple woman who don't need much to feel satisfied.

You are very lucky that you don't need sexual intercourse to feel good.

For me, I need like maybe at least 3-4 times per day to feel ok. If possible, I will want more. Damn, must learn Japanese and go Japan to be Jap AV star liao. LOL!

There will definitely be "simple woman". The question is how long before they "changed".

I went to a pub to drink before. There are Vietnamese gals there. I chat with one chio one (call her A), then another one (call her B) join us at the table. B told me that she is single. Then it was after chit chatting awhile with A, then B revealed that she got 4 kids and is married to a Singaporean man.

From what I heard from A, she said that B's husband very horny, keep wanting to have sex (just like me LOL). But A taught B that if her husband wants to bang her, then he must provide enough for her, buy things for her, spend $$ on her.

When I heard that, I felt sorry for B's husband. He is going to be blindsided by what is going to hit him. The one who will suffers most will be their 4 kids.

For the Chinese ML, she should be casting nets. Personally, I feel that marriage is useless except for the purpose of applying BTO or buy HDB before age 35yo. For all this foreign gals, once they get some permanent status in Singapore, you may see that she starts to change liao. When that happens, it's GG.

[bradpitt968]

I've also tried dating agency. Finding someone to love is difficult here for me. The girls may be choosy, but we are choosy too. Not to mention, they don't have the type of girls I wanted.

The basic requirement to sign up already tell me that the kind of girls I want will be rare here. I don't have high requirements, they can't meet my requirements because I wanted someone below their standards. There are plenty of such girls around in the form of FWs, but we can't have them easily. I wanted a very simple woman who don't need much to feel satisfied.

I feel that it is tough for Singaporean ladies to find a suitable guy based on their expectations. The available pool for guys for them is very limited.

I am not saying that we guys are any better. We also want chio busty gentle gal who are good with sex mah. How many Singaporean gals can be like that? Then we can find from Vietnam, Thai, Indonesia, etc. Those gals will probably met the criteria of maybe at least "chio simple woman who don't need much to feel satisfied".

But hor, once they stay in Singapore. They will learn and evolved. Then one day, if they (still look good and maintain body well) will probably (not always) stray. It will not be what they want at the beginning. It will be exchange contact. Then text. Then slowly meet. One thing leads to another.

[lonelyfish]

You are very lucky that you don't need sexual intercourse to feel good.

For me, I need like maybe at least 3-4 times per day to feel ok. If possible, I will want more. Damn, must learn Japanese and go Japan to be Jap AV star liao. LOL!

There will definitely be "simple woman". The question is how long before they "changed".

I went to a pub to drink before. There are Vietnamese gals there. I chat with one chio one (call her A), then another one (call her B) join us at the table. B told me that she is single. Then it was after chit chatting awhile with A, then B revealed that she got 4 kids and is married to a Singaporean man.

From what I heard from A, she said that B's husband very horny, keep wanting to have sex (just like me LOL). But A taught B that if her husband wants to bang her, then he must provide enough for her, buy things for her, spend $$ on her.

When I heard that, I felt sorry for B's husband. He is going to be blindsided by what is going to hit him. The one who will suffers most will be their 4 kids.

For the Chinese ML, she should be casting nets. Personally, I feel that marriage is useless except for the purpose of applying BTO or buy HDB before age 35yo. For all this foreign gals, once they get some permanent status in Singapore, you may see that she starts to change liao. When that happens, it's GG.

I've tried some Japanese ladies during my trip to Japan, most of them so so, but some really good. I picked the gfe ladies, they delivered their service very well, I was satisfied. You should pick the AV ladies for your kind of fun.

VN ladies are not my type, I probably won't take them. PRCs sure have their tricks, I have friends who had VN / PRC wife without a good ending. But quite some of them are doing fine. They are not ML for sure. I'll just play along with her for the time being. Currently she gives me the best feel among all the ladies I've tried and cost less than Cat200 for the amount of time she gives me. Might as well enjoy the perks while at it.

[lonelyfish]

I feel that it is tough for Singaporean ladies to find a suitable guy based on their expectations. The available pool for guys for them is very limited.

I am not saying that we guys are any better. We also want chio busty gentle gal who are good with sex mah. How many Singaporean gals can be like that? Then we can find from Vietnam, Thai, Indonesia, etc. Those gals will probably met the criteria of maybe at least "chio simple woman who don't need much to feel satisfied".

But hor, once they stay in Singapore. They will learn and evolved. Then one day, if they (still look good and maintain body well) will probably (not always) stray. It will not be what they want at the beginning. It will be exchange contact. Then text. Then slowly meet. One thing leads to another.

My requirements are different lol. I don't need a busty girl, A cups are fine. I just need a simple, looks presentable, gentle who can keep me company with great gfe, french deep and the occasional sex. The WLs I pick are not busty and look relatively simple (ref: my FRs). I had to pick the PRC WLs cuz the Thai/VN are mostly bonk and go girls with less gfe. Though my ML has natural C cups, I don't need sex everyday, just maybe 2 - 4 times a week will do. But I can do it everyday if she wants.

The point of evolving can't be avoided. No need to be in SG. My ex was a Thai countryside girl, she was very simple until she started to work for an MNC in BKK. But still not evolved to the point of their city girls. We broke up because of other reasons. Trying to find another one now.

[lonelyfish]

Just remember dont chase things that are not yours, if its yours , it will come back. Dont force , dont hope, let it flow. I agreed about visiting geylang to tame your loneliness. I too also want more gfe, we all are different. End of the day , do what you like and feel whats best. Play safe stay safe. Always think about yourself first.

I dont blame girls that are asking for too much from guys, end of the day they cant find what they want is not my problem. They suffer not me. I enjoying my time now which is the most important.

Visiting GL is a workaround solution. Head there when having a deprive, but if keep changing WL, the feel is somewhat minimal. So I usually went to RTF. But since WLs take on these customers non stop, so even if the gfe is excellent, the feel isn't really that great. Just enough to satisfy my deprive for awhile.

I regular my ML cuz in there mostly can only HJ. Most of customers don't KC in there and she is an unlikely target for most guys to KC. The other MLs all look better than her, I picked feel over appearance. So I built the chemistry to unlock the feel + more which is better than what I got in GL. Again, this is a temporary solution, eventually she will leave and I need to make another one. Need to be careful with these, the feeling is much greater, maybe difficult to pull out later if went overboard.

The problem is not the girls asking too much from the guys. Actually many guys are expecting too much as well. It is a society problem, it raises the overall expectations and the simple ones become rare. I want to enjoy my time as well, but how long do I want to keep enjoying this kind of life?

[Triple_H]

Visiting GL is a workaround solution. Head there when having a deprive, but if keep changing WL, the feel is somewhat minimal. So I usually went to RTF. But since WLs take on these customers non stop, so even if the gfe is excellent, the feel isn't really that great. Just enough to satisfy my deprive for awhile.

I regular my ML cuz in there mostly can only HJ. Most of customers don't KC in there and she is an unlikely target for most guys to KC. The other MLs all look better than her, I picked feel over appearance. So I built the chemistry to unlock the feel + more which is better than what I got in GL. Again, this is a temporary solution, eventually she will leave and I need to make another one. Need to be careful with these, the feeling is much greater, maybe difficult to pull out later if went overboard.

The problem is not the girls asking too much from the guys. Actually many guys are expecting too much as well. It is a society problem, it raises the overall expectations and the simple ones become rare. I want to enjoy my time as well, but how long do I want to keep enjoying this kind of life?

Learn from your past, embrace the present, hope for the future. Time to think of what you want for life.

[scumofsociety]

You are very lucky that you don't need sexual intercourse to feel good.

For me, I need like maybe at least 3-4 times per day to feel ok. If possible, I will want more. Damn, must learn Japanese and go Japan to be Jap AV star liao. LOL!

There will definitely be "simple woman". The question is how long before they "changed".

I went to a pub to drink before. There are Vietnamese gals there. I chat with one chio one (call her A), then another one (call her B) join us at the table. B told me that she is single. Then it was after chit chatting awhile with A, then B revealed that she got 4 kids and is married to a Singaporean man.

From what I heard from A, she said that B's husband very horny, keep wanting to have sex (just like me LOL). But A taught B that if her husband wants to bang her, then he must provide enough for her, buy things for her, spend $$ on her.

When I heard that, I felt sorry for B's husband. He is going to be blindsided by what is going to hit him. The one who will suffers most will be their 4 kids.

For the Chinese ML, she should be casting nets. Personally, I feel that marriage is useless except for the purpose of applying BTO or buy HDB before age 35yo. For all this foreign gals, once they get some permanent status in Singapore, you may see that she starts to change liao. When that happens, it's GG.

So B it seems basically seeking to be pampered like in her 20s single days? Instead of being a cum bucket / 母猪. :) Sometimes it’s hard to know what women wants.

Totally agreed on the last para, be it foreign or local, many girls will change over time la, esp after motherhood. Many marry cause they scared alone when old / FOMO no kids la, love is rare and monogamy takes real (cum)mitment (pun intended). I don’t think I can eat the same dish everyday, prefer many 小菜. Golden rule for chiongsters: FATA, fuck and throw away. YOLO!!

[lonelyfish]

Learn from your past, embrace the present, hope for the future. Time to think of what you want for life.

There's not a lot I want in life after I decided not to go for things the society things we should have. I've done a few rounds of lifestyle downgrading in order to simplify my life.

[Triple_H]

There's not a lot I want in life after I decided not to go for things the society things we should have. I've done a few rounds of lifestyle downgrading in order to simplify my life.

Haha yeah. I dont spend much on food. Sold my car, more money to chiong gl

[unfit]

Haha yeah. I dont spend much on food. Sold my car, more money to chiong gl

High coe period best time to sell :p

[chano]

yes it is possible

[WhiteMilk]

You are very lucky that you don't need sexual intercourse to feel good.

For me, I need like maybe at least 3-4 times per day to feel ok. If possible, I will want more. Damn, must learn Japanese and go Japan to be Jap AV star liao. LOL!



Totally agree with bro Bradpitt's statement about the needs of sex. I think society portrays sex as just "extra" and not an actual crucial need. But based on what I feel and experienced, I think sex is just as crucial as pissing and shitting.

It is arguably utterly impossible and extremely painful at that if you completely forego any sex whatsoever, at least PCC. I would argue it is extremely impossible, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar and hypocrite.

For me, one of the most obvious main symptoms I feel when not having sex for a long time:

- throbbing ache on both sides of my temples
- feeling extremely lethargic and "sleepy" all the time
- Very bad mood swings and life feels meaningless, depressed basically
- aching all over my body especially joints and even bones. like u feel u need to "pop" all the joints everytime, but it just won't go away
- Extremely difficult to concentrate on anything at all, u just have images of sexy women and sex and fuck all the time on your mind

I would say that the very ideal scenario is to be able to have sex with 2 different women each day everyday, ideally when you just wake up in the morning, and in the evening right before bedtime.

I noticed when I bonked a gal in the morning or early afternoon, i usually have the urge again by the time it's evening. and when I bonk in evening, I usually have massive urge again the very next morning.

and I think our bodies can differentiate if we really have sex or we just PCC. if we have sex we can feel the massive release until it's done, like having very good shit. and you cum a lot. and like I said 2x ideally or even at least 1x each day is enough to get you by for at least the next full day. and you have very clear mind and fresh energy to get things done

But if you PCC, it's like a "bandaid" solution, yes u feel relief from the massive urge, but then again, after just 5-10 minutes your D stands again and the urge again comes, and you can basically PCC for 3-4x in 1-2 hours but after the 1st PCC in which you don't cum nearly half as much as the actual thing, then 2nd PCC you just cum 1-2 drops, and by the 3rd and 4th one you feel you cum but no drop even come out.

and after that you feel extremely sore down there and the aforementioned physical aches are amplified.

So, yea, I think I am feeling sad that no thanks to the internet and smartphones, this flesh industry is dying and it's having terrible effects on so many men.

In this era, how many men can really say they can have sex at least 1-2x regularly per day, with the same woman let alone different women each time? Even married dudes there are so many trapped in sexless marriages.

I think a huge time bomb is going to explode eventually. I haven't been able to get any for several years now, and everyday is a massive struggle to withstand all the pain and suffering physically and mentally. It's a torture to say the least

[ATCong]

Totally agree with bro Bradpitt's statement about the needs of sex. I think society portrays sex as just "extra" and not an actual crucial need. But based on what I feel and experienced, I think sex is just as crucial as pissing and shitting.

It is arguably utterly impossible and extremely painful at that if you completely forego any sex whatsoever, at least PCC. I would argue it is extremely impossible, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar and hypocrite.

Agreed is not easy and I fully understand.
I guess the only way is to focus on other matters and keep yourself busy (eg. Work).
And stay away from those websites, if possible.
PCC is the best alternative but some may feel unsatisfactory.

[bradpitt968]

So B it seems basically seeking to be pampered like in her 20s single days? Instead of being a cum bucket / 母猪. :) Sometimes it’s hard to know what women wants.

Totally agreed on the last para, be it foreign or local, many girls will change over time la, esp after motherhood. Many marry cause they scared alone when old / FOMO no kids la, love is rare and monogamy takes real (cum)mitment (pun intended). I don’t think I can eat the same dish everyday, prefer many 小菜. Golden rule for chiongsters: FATA, fuck and throw away. YOLO!!

FATA? Think FAFO (Fuck And Fuck Off) is more appropriate?

But hor, I like to have gf feel. I am ok to bang the same gal over and over again as long as the sex is good. I don't mind to find a good one, then just stick to the same one.

Of course, some "dessert" here and there along the way are welcum-ed. LOL!

[bradpitt968]

I've tried some Japanese ladies during my trip to Japan, most of them so so, but some really good. I picked the gfe ladies, they delivered their service very well, I was satisfied. You should pick the AV ladies for your kind of fun.

VN ladies are not my type, I probably won't take them. PRCs sure have their tricks, I have friends who had VN / PRC wife without a good ending. But quite some of them are doing fine. They are not ML for sure. I'll just play along with her for the time being. Currently she gives me the best feel among all the ladies I've tried and cost less than Cat200 for the amount of time she gives me. Might as well enjoy the perks while at it.

If the VN/PRC gals that one married is not the busty chio type, then it should be quite safe. Because no guys will go jeo jeo them one mah.

If the VN/PRC gals are busty and chio type, then siao liao. Her friends will jeo her and teach her bad, even bring her to places that she can meet many rich guys, then GG liao.

[bradpitt968]

Haha yeah. I dont spend much on food. Sold my car, more money to chiong gl

Yah. If don't need car, then sell away now is a good time.

My road tax is about $2.5K/yr. Everytime I pay, I cried. LOL!

[bradpitt968]

Totally agree with bro Bradpitt's statement about the needs of sex. I think society portrays sex as just "extra" and not an actual crucial need. But based on what I feel and experienced, I think sex is just as crucial as pissing and shitting.

It is arguably utterly impossible and extremely painful at that if you completely forego any sex whatsoever, at least PCC. I would argue it is extremely impossible, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar and hypocrite.

For me, one of the most obvious main symptoms I feel when not having sex for a long time:

- throbbing ache on both sides of my temples
- feeling extremely lethargic and "sleepy" all the time
- Very bad mood swings and life feels meaningless, depressed basically
- aching all over my body especially joints and even bones. like u feel u need to "pop" all the joints everytime, but it just won't go away
- Extremely difficult to concentrate on anything at all, u just have images of sexy women and sex and fuck all the time on your mind

I would say that the very ideal scenario is to be able to have sex with 2 different women each day everyday, ideally when you just wake up in the morning, and in the evening right before bedtime.

I noticed when I bonked a gal in the morning or early afternoon, i usually have the urge again by the time it's evening. and when I bonk in evening, I usually have massive urge again the very next morning.

and I think our bodies can differentiate if we really have sex or we just PCC. if we have sex we can feel the massive release until it's done, like having very good shit. and you cum a lot. and like I said 2x ideally or even at least 1x each day is enough to get you by for at least the next full day. and you have very clear mind and fresh energy to get things done

But if you PCC, it's like a "bandaid" solution, yes u feel relief from the massive urge, but then again, after just 5-10 minutes your D stands again and the urge again comes, and you can basically PCC for 3-4x in 1-2 hours but after the 1st PCC in which you don't cum nearly half as much as the actual thing, then 2nd PCC you just cum 1-2 drops, and by the 3rd and 4th one you feel you cum but no drop even come out.

and after that you feel extremely sore down there and the aforementioned physical aches are amplified.

So, yea, I think I am feeling sad that no thanks to the internet and smartphones, this flesh industry is dying and it's having terrible effects on so many men.

In this era, how many men can really say they can have sex at least 1-2x regularly per day, with the same woman let alone different women each time? Even married dudes there are so many trapped in sexless marriages.

I think a huge time bomb is going to explode eventually. I haven't been able to get any for several years now, and everyday is a massive struggle to withstand all the pain and suffering physically and mentally. It's a torture to say the least

The most sad fact in life is that :

Men need to spend money to make women happy.
But women don't need to spent money to make men happy.

So being a men is really tough. If rich, then ok lah. If not rich, really, really jialat. Women can go long period without sex but most men cannot.

For me, one day 3-4 times, everyday, i no problem. Usually is the gal buay tahan. if they can tahan, I am ok one.

[Lawrencegan]

Anyway it’s safe to say all girls only care about the money. They are numb already. Some even tell me that when they do a man they imagine dollars all over the man face or they just dream about their house, their dream car, their bank account. It’s whether some play the quick win or some play the long game for bigger returns.

If they see you look like got good job, look good they will play long game with you- they may not ask money now but gradually the fox tail will come out. Some come out here, some come out when they back in Thailand. But they are smart too, just like us when we buy investments we don’t just all buy long term right? We have some short term and even some in current accounts

So the girls balance it by taking some from the hit and run type too. Directly ask and if you don’t give too bad, if you give good for them.

Portfolio approach.


Now…. You may ask what it means for men


Definitely we do portfolio approach too- We have to pretend like we always play long game for the ones who play long game with us. But we leave the game just before the show hand round…for those who play the short game with us, we have to pretend like we will play long game with them. So they change their strategy but guess what we also leave before the show hand round

[Triple_H]

Yah. If don't need car, then sell away now is a good time.

My road tax is about $2.5K/yr. Everytime I pay, I cried. LOL!

Yah man, its not a need . Just a want

[bradpitt968]

Totally agree with bro Bradpitt's statement about the needs of sex. I think society portrays sex as just "extra" and not an actual crucial need. But based on what I feel and experienced, I think sex is just as crucial as pissing and shitting.

It is arguably utterly impossible and extremely painful at that if you completely forego any sex whatsoever, at least PCC. I would argue it is extremely impossible, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar and hypocrite.

For me, one of the most obvious main symptoms I feel when not having sex for a long time:

- throbbing ache on both sides of my temples
- feeling extremely lethargic and "sleepy" all the time
- Very bad mood swings and life feels meaningless, depressed basically
- aching all over my body especially joints and even bones. like u feel u need to "pop" all the joints everytime, but it just won't go away
- Extremely difficult to concentrate on anything at all, u just have images of sexy women and sex and fuck all the time on your mind

I would say that the very ideal scenario is to be able to have sex with 2 different women each day everyday, ideally when you just wake up in the morning, and in the evening right before bedtime.

I noticed when I bonked a gal in the morning or early afternoon, i usually have the urge again by the time it's evening. and when I bonk in evening, I usually have massive urge again the very next morning.

and I think our bodies can differentiate if we really have sex or we just PCC. if we have sex we can feel the massive release until it's done, like having very good shit. and you cum a lot. and like I said 2x ideally or even at least 1x each day is enough to get you by for at least the next full day. and you have very clear mind and fresh energy to get things done

But if you PCC, it's like a "bandaid" solution, yes u feel relief from the massive urge, but then again, after just 5-10 minutes your D stands again and the urge again comes, and you can basically PCC for 3-4x in 1-2 hours but after the 1st PCC in which you don't cum nearly half as much as the actual thing, then 2nd PCC you just cum 1-2 drops, and by the 3rd and 4th one you feel you cum but no drop even come out.

and after that you feel extremely sore down there and the aforementioned physical aches are amplified.

So, yea, I think I am feeling sad that no thanks to the internet and smartphones, this flesh industry is dying and it's having terrible effects on so many men.

In this era, how many men can really say they can have sex at least 1-2x regularly per day, with the same woman let alone different women each time? Even married dudes there are so many trapped in sexless marriages.

I think a huge time bomb is going to explode eventually. I haven't been able to get any for several years now, and everyday is a massive struggle to withstand all the pain and suffering physically and mentally. It's a torture to say the least

Yah. Most people are just consuming social media as and when they can.

What you can't "get any for several years now"? What pain?

[unfit]

Yah man, its not a need . Just a want

if she wanna go jalan jalan with you :rolleyes:

hahaha :D

[WhiteMilk]

So B it seems basically seeking to be pampered like in her 20s single days? Instead of being a cum bucket / 母猪. :) Sometimes it’s hard to know what women wants.

Totally agreed on the last para, be it foreign or local, many girls will change over time la, esp after motherhood. Many marry cause they scared alone when old / FOMO no kids la, love is rare and monogamy takes real (cum)mitment (pun intended). I don’t think I can eat the same dish everyday, prefer many 小菜. Golden rule for chiongsters: FATA, fuck and throw away. YOLO!!

This is why with all these complications and shitshow, even from the very first time I bonked in GL back in 2007, I already knew back then even in my teens I just want to spend my whole life just bonking WLs in GL and FLs to fulfill my sex needs and I won't play this game

Then at the very height of the "pandemic" when everything closed, I was shocked and sad to see this forum and saw posts from bros being extremely distraught from the closures that they started talking about "having to find real GFs now..." and "need to just get married"

I don't think I can ever relent like that, the bullshit is just too much. I am just saying, my years in GL, FL scenes, and also scenes overseas have permanently "damaged" me.

In the sense that, let me illustrate this, how can you recover from the following: picture the gals in my signature such as Rong Rong 1606, Jia Yi 2047, Chu Chu 1654a, those exquisite REAL 8/10, 9/10 legit beauties with just $150 not only opened their sexy legs, but also do things to me that I thought only existed in "fictional" porn clips only like licking my ass furiously, letting me cum on their bodies and even pee on their body in the shower, call me "小弟弟" (up to 2015) then put their fingers in my ass and fuck it, french kiss me like no tomorrow non stop, biting me all over my chest and neck giving me dark hickeys I had to struggle to explain away when mom saw those on my neck at home

Then instead of that, now have to resort to average 4/10 "Tan Ah Mooi" who thinks her painfully average ass pussay is 24 carat gold diamond, demanding 5Cs (cash, car, credit card, condominium and country club membership), demanding to be wined and dined, and then demanding u to marry and finance her sitting doing nothing at home for literally your whole life, then always nagging, refusing to even give you dead fish sex.

How can you ever recover from that? You can never go back, at least I can never, would never, could never, even if you point a gun on my head, I will just say "pull the trigger and let's not waste my time and yours"

I don't think I am alone in this situation.

[scumofsociety]

This is why with all these complications and shitshow, even from the very first time I bonked in GL back in 2007, I already knew back then even in my teens I just want to spend my whole life just bonking WLs in GL and FLs to fulfill my sex needs and I won't play this game

Then at the very height of the "pandemic" when everything closed, I was shocked and sad to see this forum and saw posts from bros being extremely distraught from the closures that they started talking about "having to find real GFs now..." and "need to just get married"

I don't think I can ever relent like that, the bullshit is just too much. I am just saying, my years in GL, FL scenes, and also scenes overseas have permanently "damaged" me.

In the sense that, let me illustrate this, how can you recover from the following: picture the gals in my signature such as Rong Rong 1606, Jia Yi 2047, Chu Chu 1654a, those exquisite REAL 8/10, 9/10 legit beauties with just $150 not only opened their sexy legs, but also do things to me that I thought only existed in "fictional" porn clips only like licking my ass furiously, letting me cum on their bodies and even pee on their body in the shower, call me "小弟弟" (up to 2015) then put their fingers in my ass and fuck it, french kiss me like no tomorrow non stop, biting me all over my chest and neck giving me dark hickeys I had to struggle to explain away when mom saw those on my neck at home

Then instead of that, now have to resort to average 4/10 "Tan Ah Mooi" who thinks her painfully average ass pussay is 24 carat gold diamond, demanding 5Cs (cash, car, credit card, condominium and country club membership), demanding to be wined and dined, and then demanding u to marry and finance her sitting doing nothing at home for literally your whole life, then always nagging, refusing to even give you dead fish sex.

How can you ever recover from that? You can never go back, at least I can never, would never, could never, even if you point a gun on my head, I will just say "pull the trigger and let's not waste my time and yours"

I don't think I am alone in this situation.

On the point of the “realisation” during the pandemic, actually I think it’s just lust. Saw this saying which I feel is quite accurate: sex is a physiological need for men; an emotional want for women. Prolly just sian and gian cus GL closed down :D.

Also men and women on diff timers: men can fuck into their 50/60s(?), just the frequency and intensity drops. Sperm quality declines after 35. Women quality of eggs drop after 30, and if I’m not wrong can experience sharp drop in libido after giving birth and menopause between 45-55. Though I’m curious how common the “sexless marriage” life is amongst couples…

Agree on the “never going back” thing la, it’s hard to eat “white rice”, some think they come with golden sprinkles :D, after you’ve tasted the pad Thais, the Malas the phos. Commercial sex is a deal with the devil. :D. Everyone has 24hours and different choices / priorities, who knows, you may change after you’ve found the “right one”, that transcends sex and elevates you to the highest level in the Maslow hierarchy of needs. :D

Lastly you’re not alone la I’m in late 20s, I’m anti-marriage anti-natilist that’s why I’m on my yolo journey to fuck 100 girls as a start. :D cheers!

[RatedX]

On the point of the “realisation” during the pandemic, actually I think it’s just lust. Saw this saying which I feel is quite accurate: sex is a physiological need for men; an emotional want for women. Prolly just sian and gian cus GL closed down :D.

Also men and women on diff timers: men can fuck into their 50/60s(?), just the frequency and intensity drops. Sperm quality declines after 35. Women quality of eggs drop after 30, and if I’m not wrong can experience sharp drop in libido after giving birth and menopause between 45-55. Though I’m curious how common the “sexless marriage” life is amongst couples…

Agree on the “never going back” thing la, it’s hard to eat “white rice”, some think they come with golden sprinkles :D, after you’ve tasted the pad Thais, the Malas the phos. Commercial sex is a deal with the devil. :D. Everyone has 24hours and different choices / priorities, who knows, you may change after you’ve found the “right one”, that transcends sex and elevates you to the highest level in the Maslow hierarchy of needs. :D

Lastly you’re not alone la I’m in late 20s, I’m anti-marriage anti-natilist that’s why I’m on my yolo journey to fuck 100 girls as a start. :D cheers!

It's true. I dry spell when wife carrying 9 months to now 1 year old. Still walking in the desert. I should remedy that soon lest the emotional part cannot salvage.

GL is a side hobby that fulfil my physical needs. I made my peace that's I'm going straight to hell or reincarnated as cockroach in my next life.

[scumofsociety]

It's true. I dry spell when wife carrying 9 months to now 1 year old. Still walking in the desert. I should remedy that soon lest the emotional part cannot salvage.

GL is a side hobby that fulfil my physical needs. I made my peace that's I'm going straight to hell or reincarnated as cockroach in my next life.

I see thanks for sharing bro, so that’s why u v familiar 感同身受 with the “dig shellscrape” in the desert face la :D. Attack her emotionally, hehe see if it really works, that’s why nowadays I try to talk abit to the girl during shower, observe and praise them abit, playful abit see if I can break them abit emotionally, stop digging shellscrape :D. But chionging is just a game, back to topic of the thread, can respect the girl but never get kc. :D skinship can create false impression of love but it’s just sex and endorphines.

Hahahaha on the hell / cockroach, marriage is a real (cum)mitment for the married peeps, I’m always v careful and do equipment check when I go, just be careful put on mask & hat Arbo ur marriage (and assets) gg.

[WhiteMilk]

On the point of the “realisation” during the pandemic, actually I think it’s just lust. Saw this saying which I feel is quite accurate: sex is a physiological need for men; an emotional want for women. Prolly just sian and gian cus GL closed down :D.

Also men and women on diff timers: men can fuck into their 50/60s(?), just the frequency and intensity drops. Sperm quality declines after 35. Women quality of eggs drop after 30, and if I’m not wrong can experience sharp drop in libido after giving birth and menopause between 45-55. Though I’m curious how common the “sexless marriage” life is amongst couples…

Agree on the “never going back” thing la, it’s hard to eat “white rice”, some think they come with golden sprinkles :D, after you’ve tasted the pad Thais, the Malas the phos. Commercial sex is a deal with the devil. :D. Everyone has 24hours and different choices / priorities, who knows, you may change after you’ve found the “right one”, that transcends sex and elevates you to the highest level in the Maslow hierarchy of needs. :D

Lastly you’re not alone la I’m in late 20s, I’m anti-marriage anti-natilist that’s why I’m on my yolo journey to fuck 100 girls as a start. :D cheers!

yea I pity those youngsters who think that getting married means having tons of sex every single day. I am also intrigued and wondering about the Sexless Marriage phenomenon. I think it's much more prevalent that we could ever think or fathom

"Commercial sex is a deal with the devil" <--- 10000000% AGREE with this!

Once you dip your toes into this, there's absolutely no turning back and you are forever chained and changed forever. The "Devil" dishes out a little bit of his magical repertoire of pleasure for you, in exchange for literally your SOUL!

I scantly remember the very short years between the moment I understood sex and started PCC and watching porn (exclusively consumed Hentai comics back then) to when I started dipping into Commercial Sex.

That time, I was able to have the thoughts of wanting a relationship with some girl, eventually marrying her, starting a family and basically do what society tells us to do. Used to imagine or foresee myself doing this with probably one of my schoolmates, or with one of the neighbours' daughters, or with some ordinary girl my family would eventually intro me to and all.

But after years of being "tainted" by the Devil, I can no longer view "ordinary girls" outside of commercial sex anymore, they are invisible.

Not only in terms of looks, which obviously the commercial sex girls that I see are much more good looking than ordinary girls we have around, at least the ones I chose to bonk.

but also in the sense that, "is this girl on sale? $XXX for Y hour? No? Then I want absolutely nothing to do with them" type of mindset. They are invisible and "as good as dead" to me.

I mean:

"point at 9/10 exotic sexy gal, she walks to you, hold your hand to the room, hug, shower, kiss, lick, suck, fuck, shower, hold your hand out again, drop $150 to OKT, and be happy"

vs

"Having to get to know and talk a 4/10, have to think what to say and talk about, have to get her to say yes to wine and dine, or even god forbids get MARRIED first then can probably get dead fish treatment in the first night. And the yandao that I am, gals usually give me cold shoulders and shoo me away in the first part anyways before I could even think of saying anything else besides HI..."

The choice is clear. and I am glad I made the "deal" with this Devil you are talking about. Instead of being trapped in a sexless marriage with a 4/10 naggy well... she-devil, I have now bonked nearly 100 different girls from all continents except Africa and Antarctica and re-enacted many of the wildest things that could otherwise be only seen on the porn vid playing on my laptop/phone screens.....

SO much to be thankful for

It's true. I dry spell when wife carrying 9 months to now 1 year old. Still walking in the desert. I should remedy that soon lest the emotional part cannot salvage.

GL is a side hobby that fulfil my physical needs. I made my peace that's I'm going straight to hell or reincarnated as cockroach in my next life.

The first part of your comment kinda confirms what I have concluded in this life: Monogamy doesn't work, unrealistic and goes against the very nature of men

Btw, not trying to get too philosophical and all that, but what if "hell" is actually a giant fun Yi Tiao Long luxurious bath house with plenty of sexiest gals that we could ever dream of?

and is being cockroach better off than being humans? Cockroaches are arguably more free than us, they don't need to pay tax, to start with lol

[scumofsociety]

yea I pity those youngsters who think that getting married means having tons of sex every single day. I am also intrigued and wondering about the Sexless Marriage phenomenon. I think it's much more prevalent that we could ever think or fathom

"Commercial sex is a deal with the devil" <--- 10000000% AGREE with this!

and is being cockroach better off than being humans? Cockroaches are arguably more free than us, they don't need to pay tax, to start with lol

Yeah I think we have similar mindsets and goals la, I also wanna bonk girls collect girls of diff nationalities, count and finishing in diff positions etc before I become old cannot bonk Liao. Chionging is More of a “been there done that” yolo hobby, collecting trophies. :D.

Only con about this deal with the devil is: the kc, is satisfies your physical needs only. Most girls are in for the money, nothing personal just good biz. When I get a bad bonk I just tell myself I’m donating overseas and doing a good deed :D

Chionging can never be truly emotionally fulfilled, that requires a soulmate la. A partner that makes you want to be a better person, purposeful etc. that’s why choose spouse must be clear in what you want lor, not just for sex ah. :D, sex is just one of many considerations, sex drive incompatibility is still impt la, albeit for a limited period post marriage.

[RatedX]

Never say never. It's never too late to turn back. Said the chiongster still chionging. Do it on your terms and when you want to.

[WhiteMilk]

Yeah I think we have similar mindsets and goals la, I also wanna bonk girls collect girls of diff nationalities, count and finishing in diff positions etc before I become old cannot bonk Liao. Chionging is More of a “been there done that” yolo hobby, collecting trophies. :D.

Only con about this deal with the devil is: the kc, is satisfies your physical needs only. Most girls are in for the money, nothing personal just good biz. When I get a bad bonk I just tell myself I’m donating overseas and doing a good deed :D

Chionging can never be truly emotionally fulfilled, that requires a soulmate la. A partner that makes you want to be a better person, purposeful etc. that’s why choose spouse must be clear in what you want lor, not just for sex ah. :D, sex is just one of many considerations, sex drive incompatibility is still impt la, albeit for a limited period post marriage.

- 120% Agree with this. At one point my life goal was to die happily knowing I bonked 1000 different girls from as many countries as possible in this world. When you have the opportunity to do it, JUST DO IT. I have had LIFELONG regrets of moments when I visited a country and had a chance to bonk there but didn't follow through with it, and I regret all of those until today, especially places where I know it's gonna be a very long time or if ever I am gonna go back there...

- I don't agree with the Soulmate concept. I think it's just a feminist propaganda to get men to go against our primary programming in nature to "bonk as many as possible" and get into monogamy. Even women themselves are not really buying this "Soulmate" stuff. Try telling your wife/gf you lost your job, lost all your wealth, go bankrupt. See what her reaction and next steps. I have seen horror stories where someone gets bankrupt or even get into accident and bedridden, and their wives without a moment's hestitation left them for dead just like that. Scary

- I also disagree about this. At this point, I am already immune to all the "Emotional" stuff. If I want that, I'd just talk to my mom or watch KDrama or something. When it comes to bonking, I just look to relieve myself from my overwhelming urges, almost no different than going to the toilet when you badly need to pee or shit

Talking about Devil, though. There's an interesting superstition that seems to go around about GL. I have heard this from several older men now that I think it's interesting to talk about this.

I was first told abt this when I was like 17-18 and I was with family members and family friend and her husband in their car. Dunno why in the convo suddenly GL is mentioned somewhat, her husband who was driving suddenly looked at me and said "Hey, youngster, don't ever go to GL arh since you are still in school! You will fail school miserably if you go there!"

The way he said it is like a curse. At that time I was already very active in GL and FL scenes, and for one second I thought maybe he saw me in one of the GL houses or something?

I had since heard it from other older men ranging from other family friends or even some taxi drivers that I talked with.

Is this really a thing? or just a prank by older bros to "gatekeep" GL from the youngsters? lol


Never say never. It's never too late to turn back. Said the chiongster still chionging. Do it on your terms and when you want to.

I half agree with this. In the sense that, when I found myself in Europe for some time years ago on exchange program, me being me, I dipped straight into the bonking scenes there.

and months into my time there, it got so bad that the only thing that I would bonk were White gals with blonde hair and preferably blue eyes. Not even the brunette I would pick. and Asian girls and JAV videos were 0% attractive for me. I would bonk blondies and watch only AMWF type of porn on the sides (till today this is the only porn I could watch now besides some types of JAVs)

But as my stint there ended and I had to go back to Asia, slowly that condition changed again. It took several months, but eventually I rediscovered my taste on Asian gals and I started bonking Asian gals again and Asian looking gals (Mongolian, Kazakh, Uzbek these types)

So if I can come back from that, maybe you are right, there's a way to come back from Full Time Bonker like me to fully functional member of society and marry the 4/10 Tan Ah Moois of this world?

[bradpitt968]

Yeah I think we have similar mindsets and goals la, I also wanna bonk girls collect girls of diff nationalities, count and finishing in diff positions etc before I become old cannot bonk Liao. Chionging is More of a “been there done that” yolo hobby, collecting trophies. :D.

Only con about this deal with the devil is: the kc, is satisfies your physical needs only. Most girls are in for the money, nothing personal just good biz. When I get a bad bonk I just tell myself I’m donating overseas and doing a good deed :D

Chionging can never be truly emotionally fulfilled, that requires a soulmate la. A partner that makes you want to be a better person, purposeful etc. that’s why choose spouse must be clear in what you want lor, not just for sex ah. :D, sex is just one of many considerations, sex drive incompatibility is still impt la, albeit for a limited period post marriage.

I agree. I also want to bonk as many time as possible now while I am still able to do it. Life is unpredictable, so we never know.

Yes. If can find a soulmate who is willing to do anything for sex with you, then it is really a blessing liao. Personally, I would say that sexual compatibility is number 1. If this part both side ok, then the rest like character, habits, etc are compatible, then ho say liao.

[bradpitt968]

An FL on a "yellow card" permit can never come back to Singapore to stay long-term under any pass. I think you should keep that in mind, first and foremost.

So that means, even if you give her the huge benefit of the doubt and that her words are real, she probably fell in love while working in the wrong country, and with the wrong man.

I always take the stand that given a choice, no woman will want to work as FL in a GL house. You earn very little and you close off the option of coming back to Singapore ever again under a different work pass. So there must be a certain set of circumstances (or perhaps, ignorance) that made her choose this path. What these circumstances are, you may never know and I think it's best to leave it at that.

If I were in your shoes, I would choose to be kind and listen to what she has to say and comfort her to the best you can (which you seem to be already doing so kudos to you). But you should also be honest and let her know certain facts that are unfortunately set in stone, so that she doesn't harbour any false hopes. For whatever time you can spend with her and it feels genuine and real to you, treasure them. I once fell in love with an ML and it ended badly, but I hold on to the nice memories and as I grow older, I am glad that I had those nice thoughts to hold on to, for old times' sake.

Cheers - yours is a new nick so I have no way of telling if you are some young fella who created this new nick or you're an old guy who probably knows all this already but for some reason chose to post your predicament on sbf

Sorry to dig this out. I just heard from one of the WL who went back that the person at ICA told them that they can come back to Singapore again after 2yrs. They will have to go to Singapore Embassy in Thailand to apply. Heard that they will need a guarantor also.

Can anybody confirm?

[Cusmar7]

Some says 2yrs, some says 3yrs, some even said 5. Oh well, as long they don't get deported and banned from entering again.

[Tiger149]

Sorry to dig this out. I just heard from one of the WL who went back that the person at ICA told them that they can come back to Singapore again after 2yrs. They will have to go to Singapore Embassy in Thailand to apply. Heard that they will need a guarantor also.

Can anybody confirm?

Probably some truth in this. Last month I was at Bugis when I saw this Thai girl. She used to work in the $40 a pop legal joint. She went back around 2019 after her 2 yr stint and now she's back as FL for an online stable but stable just advertised on Telegram and not at FL Dome 1. We had a small chat and she told me to look her up. I didn't as she was not my type even from her GL days due to her little bit crossed eyes. And moreover her online services is abit expensive as compared to the prices at Dome 1. As for the guarantor part, I'm not sure if the girl that I mentioned has one.

[Tiger149]

Haizzz, I think most of the girls know how to play with our feelings including yours truly. Not saying that they are manipulative but sorry to say they are more streetwise than us. Most of these girls came from poverty background and are usually reach single mom status by the time they're in their mid 20s. They would do everything for the sake of their families. Generally they are nice as a person but circumstances in life back in LOS made them act this way finding every each single opportunity to gain that extra dollar for their families. It's sad but as chiongsters we need to draw a line between being a Wannabe Carrot Head Hero and being sensible in not getting trapped in their deceit. During my younger days I was also gullible enough to believe that a girl from this industry is willing to have a genuine relationship with me. 555. It was a painful experience but I have since learned my lesson. Part of learning process in life I guess. Then I had a brief relationship with another girl. Once she was in a financial doldrums back in BKK, I told her I would be willing to help her out few hundreds. She kindly rejected my offer and told me to keep the money for my then sick mom who was then hospitalised. Sadly she has already forgotten about me and I believe she's happy now in her life Then I get to know a girl from FL Dome 1. Was her regular back then during her 2 weeks stint here. Told me she's single mom but not having any relationship back home. Her mistake was adding me on Facebook. When I did my due diligence on her, I get to know she was having an open relationship with a Siam Kia single dad. 555. Best of all this guy even accompanied this lady on most of her working trips in Taiwan, HK, Japan. Just imagine the guy sitting at the hotel enjoying his whiskey and knowing that his girl is sucking some men's dicks at another hotel. And sadly this girl is also supporting her useless bum BF who is just a small time fruit juice seller back home. Sometimes I like to come to the GL thread and read the good advices from experienced senior Bros here. It has served me well in life.

[omg888]

Guys who kenna the KC “trap” and feels betrayed and hurt, don’t be too hard on yourself. Move on and don’t keep dwelling on the past. Many of these WLs leverage spiritual rituals to boost their KC abilities. You gotta give their Masters some credits too. :D

[Tiger149]

Guys who kenna the KC “trap” and feels betrayed and hurt, don’t be too hard on yourself. Move on and don’t keep dwelling on the past. Many of these WLs leverage spiritual rituals to boost their KC abilities. You gotta give their Masters some credits too. :D

Gongtao you mean Senior? Actually I believed that too. One time when I was in Roi Et to meet up with an ex FL Dome 1 girl. She had a body full of Sakyant tattoos. I asked her if she use Gongtao magic on her customers since she always had few BFs from Japan, Arab, Korea sending her money every few months. Can see she quite angry since I brought up a sensitive topic. She jokingly bit my tip of my dick during the BBBJ but can see she was angry. Did just one shot since mood in the room was not good. Told the girl I was tired and gave her some tip and told her go back. I agree with your advice. Need to move on no matter how painful it is. Nowadays my modus operandi is to be single happy and merry. Book a girl to bonk and be mentally strong as not to be KCed by the girl no matter how strong the GFE effect is. There are many good advices from many battle hardened Bros here in this thread. You guys can become qualified counsellors when it comes to the matters of the heart. :) Appreciate all the good advices here

[Laofuzi8888]

In this play ground don’t talk about love. Just play and move on. Learn to protect your wallet and heart.

[Laofuzi8888]

The trick they used is to make you think that you are the special one. However, behind the scene they have many. Just to make you spend and spend. I think they all learn from the same school before they come here.

[bradpitt968]

This is why with all these complications and shitshow, even from the very first time I bonked in GL back in 2007, I already knew back then even in my teens I just want to spend my whole life just bonking WLs in GL and FLs to fulfill my sex needs and I won't play this game

Then at the very height of the "pandemic" when everything closed, I was shocked and sad to see this forum and saw posts from bros being extremely distraught from the closures that they started talking about "having to find real GFs now..." and "need to just get married"

I don't think I can ever relent like that, the bullshit is just too much. I am just saying, my years in GL, FL scenes, and also scenes overseas have permanently "damaged" me.

In the sense that, let me illustrate this, how can you recover from the following: picture the gals in my signature such as Rong Rong 1606, Jia Yi 2047, Chu Chu 1654a, those exquisite REAL 8/10, 9/10 legit beauties with just $150 not only opened their sexy legs, but also do things to me that I thought only existed in "fictional" porn clips only like licking my ass furiously, letting me cum on their bodies and even pee on their body in the shower, call me "小弟弟" (up to 2015) then put their fingers in my ass and fuck it, french kiss me like no tomorrow non stop, biting me all over my chest and neck giving me dark hickeys I had to struggle to explain away when mom saw those on my neck at home

Then instead of that, now have to resort to average 4/10 "Tan Ah Mooi" who thinks her painfully average ass pussay is 24 carat gold diamond, demanding 5Cs (cash, car, credit card, condominium and country club membership), demanding to be wined and dined, and then demanding u to marry and finance her sitting doing nothing at home for literally your whole life, then always nagging, refusing to even give you dead fish sex.

How can you ever recover from that? You can never go back, at least I can never, would never, could never, even if you point a gun on my head, I will just say "pull the trigger and let's not waste my time and yours"

I don't think I am alone in this situation.

Agree with you.

I feel that sexual compatibility is very important. If this part is compatible, then we look at other aspects.

All this beautiful WLs that can provide so tok kong service with no bullshit. If can get some GFE from them will be bonus.

Me too, have lost count of how many gals I had banged so far. I love to have passionate love making. Thankfully that I can still do it a few times a day now if I have access to. I want to enjoy my life and make it count. At least, when I die, I can die with no regrets.

[Jjly]

Girl in this industry are always about money at first. We need to be careful and no need very emotional

[chinacuntlover]

Interesting thread
Many meaningful insights
- Maslow hierachy : men are hard wired to seek sex for humankind evolution
- Every man want to be Chinese emperor, rich, powerful and unlimted girl supply! But not many can lead that kind of life unless you strike lottery big time or have earning talent like jeff bezo or elon musk.

Back to WL relationship. If continue, must overcome that
- she was a WL with many customers
- he was a chiongster with many ventures

BGR, WL or not, will be based on 等价交换， opportunity cost.
钱不是万能，但没钱万万不能.

Moreover, TS see the WL for what she is now. People do get old. When she become aunty, will TS have the same appetite?

There are exception. Just go watch Pretty Woman. The underlying premise is the guy is farking rich.

[Dignified69]

The problem good sirs lies in our KKJ. It is this KKJ which leads us astray and overrules our big head in the heat of the moment.

[kid6425]

Stumble upon this thread when I need help.. maybe is fate..

Some background, started to chiong 2 years ago only when covid re-open GL. I was a virgin back then, first time was some dirty massage place to a vietbu in 30s..

After that go to fish tanks, at first was very paranoid for STDs everytime , will request for cap BJ always and no kissing even if the girl dun mind. Will go dsc for check up every 6 months or so, back then I chiong at most once a month after pay day...

Fast forward to few months ago, due to some personal and work stress, I began visit GL every week once even twice. I avoid those $60 house, found a $100 Thai house with good quality girls..

Recently I keep visiting a same girl (3-4 times) and I even gotten her line at the last visit. I haven’t message her but she told me she next week one week no work., maybe is hinting me to jio her? Idk…..

This siambu reminds me of my crush in sch last time (I loser liked a girl one sided for 3-4 years) .. I’m not sure should I just try to jio her out and make her my “girlfriend”…
I know it probably won’t end well… she may not even reply me line… but idk… need some advices from bros here

[Rubbaking]

Stumble upon this thread when I need help.. maybe is fate..

Some background, started to chiong 2 years ago only when covid re-open GL. I was a virgin back then, first time was some dirty massage place to a vietbu in 30s..

After that go to fish tanks, at first was very paranoid for STDs everytime , will request for cap BJ always and no kissing even if the girl dun mind. Will go dsc for check up every 6 months or so, back then I chiong at most once a month after pay day...

Fast forward to few months ago, due to some personal and work stress, I began visit GL every week once even twice. I avoid those $60 house, found a $100 Thai house with good quality girls..

Recently I keep visiting a same girl (3-4 times) and I even gotten her line at the last visit. I haven’t message her but she told me she next week one week no work., maybe is hinting me to jio her? Idk…..

This siambu reminds me of my crush in sch last time (I loser liked a girl one sided for 3-4 years) .. I’m not sure should I just try to jio her out and make her my “girlfriend”…
I know it probably won’t end well… she may not even reply me line… but idk… need some advices from bros here

Too many same topic bro. End of day is KC game, money game over and heartbreak game gao gao. I probably spent 6 figure after years of chionging and kena kc before finally found the right one to end game.

[GREED]

From your description, the WL probably just want to inform you to avoid a wasted trip since she is not working. I have been through this KC trap, didnt spent much and always remind myself that these WL are here to earn money. A humble advise is don’t jio her out or even message her casually. 90% of the time is just a KC trap planned by the WL and they might treat you like a fool with tons of lies when asking for money from you. No problem with visiting her frequently and enjoy the session with her but just don’t start those silly message.

Stumble upon this thread when I need help.. maybe is fate..

Some background, started to chiong 2 years ago only when covid re-open GL. I was a virgin back then, first time was some dirty massage place to a vietbu in 30s..

After that go to fish tanks, at first was very paranoid for STDs everytime , will request for cap BJ always and no kissing even if the girl dun mind. Will go dsc for check up every 6 months or so, back then I chiong at most once a month after pay day...

Fast forward to few months ago, due to some personal and work stress, I began visit GL every week once even twice. I avoid those $60 house, found a $100 Thai house with good quality girls..

Recently I keep visiting a same girl (3-4 times) and I even gotten her line at the last visit. I haven’t message her but she told me she next week one week no work., maybe is hinting me to jio her? Idk…..

This siambu reminds me of my crush in sch last time (I loser liked a girl one sided for 3-4 years) .. I’m not sure should I just try to jio her out and make her my “girlfriend”…
I know it probably won’t end well… she may not even reply me line… but idk… need some advices from bros here

[kid6425]

From your description, the WL probably just want to inform you to avoid a wasted trip since she is not working. I have been through this KC trap, didnt spent much and always remind myself that these WL are here to earn money. A humble advise is don’t jio her out or even message her casually. 90% of the time is just a KC trap planned by the WL and they might treat you like a fool with tons of lies when asking for money from you. No problem with visiting her frequently and enjoy the session with her but just don’t start those silly message.

U are right. She tell me she off one week is so that I won’t go down and find other WL. Then possibly stop visiting her frequently. I’m damn tempted to jio her out eat mokata though…

[Sianzz89]

From your description, the WL probably just want to inform you to avoid a wasted trip since she is not working. I have been through this KC trap, didnt spent much and always remind myself that these WL are here to earn money. A humble advise is don’t jio her out or even message her casually. 90% of the time is just a KC trap planned by the WL and they might treat you like a fool with tons of lies when asking for money from you. No problem with visiting her frequently and enjoy the session with her but just don’t start those silly message.


agree with you bro. When I was newbie, I involved feelings and I lost a lot of money haha ​​stupid

[ShaneTan]

U are right. She tell me she off one week is so that I won’t go down and find other WL. Then possibly stop visiting her frequently. I’m damn tempted to jio her out eat mokata though…

Tats likely the case..she dun want you to go down and find another wl when she not working..i hv encounter a few such wls who do not want you to find her colleague when she not working

[all4fun]

If you have feelings for them, try asking them to stop working and have a serious relationship. As a responsibility, continue to provide money for she needs. If the woman wants it, and she doesn't find out she's lying then she loves you

[mkmk01]

Tats likely the case..she dun want you to go down and find another wl when she not working..i hv encounter a few such wls who do not want you to find her colleague when she not working

This is true . Dont want you meeting other women and maybe making you like other women more

[Lennyberg]

As I was writing this, I realised it became almost like a re-capped mail for myself.

I've been cheonging since 2005. From GL to massage parlors to Siam disco to Dome 1, 2, 3 and of course overseas. I travel everywhere in the world from our neighbouring countries Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia to slightly further, HK, Taiwan, China to Korea, Japan then of course in Europe - Spain, UK, Austria, Czech, France and probably many more.

Well... what I have learnt over the years is that these working ladies are ultimately doing their job. Just like us everyday people. Be it an engineer, taxi driver.. They are doing their job.

Of course if they sense that they might be able to earn more, they will do it. They are ultimately looking for a meal ticket.

So... TS.. Smarten up.. These ladies are not gonna be your wife. Why would you want that anyways. go buy a vietnamese girl is better than marrying a WL.

[Rubbaking]

As I was writing this, I realised it became almost like a re-capped mail for myself.

I've been cheonging since 2005. From GL to massage parlors to Siam disco to Dome 1, 2, 3 and of course overseas. I travel everywhere in the world from our neighbouring countries Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia to slightly further, HK, Taiwan, China to Korea, Japan then of course in Europe - Spain, UK, Austria, Czech, France and probably many more.

Well... what I have learnt over the years is that these working ladies are ultimately doing their job. Just like us everyday people. Be it an engineer, taxi driver.. They are doing their job.

Of course if they sense that they might be able to earn more, they will do it. They are ultimately looking for a meal ticket.

So... TS.. Smarten up.. These ladies are not gonna be your wife. Why would you want that anyways. go buy a vietnamese girl is better than marrying a WL.

So right. Whenever i asked the wl how they can tahan, most of them said they mastered the art of no feeling as they focused only on yusof isaak, and they are working only and their mindset is short term only so nevermind, but of course they are those who do wl work for years. As for viets especially those pretty ones have been wls before from what i heard, regardless of educational level. Or buy the wl as wife but prepare to bleed emotionally, mentally, financially.

[Rubbaking]

If you have feelings for them, try asking them to stop working and have a serious relationship. As a responsibility, continue to provide money for she needs. If the woman wants it, and she doesn't find out she's lying then she loves you

True but i also believe in true love in which the girl will stick through thick and thin for you. But then usually most wls come from quite difficult backgrounds and for sure they will not want to go back into those times if they are with you. Though some will be willing to, if they can get full sense of security from you, but money still talks. Let’s be realistic, even fresh grads now expect their partner to earn at least 10k a month, let alone wls.

[Lennyberg]

So right. Whenever i asked the wl how they can tahan, most of them said they mastered the art of no feeling as they focused only on yusof isaak, and they are working only and their mindset is short term only so nevermind, but of course they are those who do wl work for years. As for viets especially those pretty ones have been wls before from what i heard, regardless of educational level. Or buy the wl as wife but prepare to bleed emotionally, mentally, financially.

I have a couple of friends who marry a viet.. 1 was from vietnam the other was already studying in Singapore. Both marriages ended in tears after years of emotional turmoil.

[Newbieshag]

Too many same topic bro. End of day is KC game, money game over and heartbreak game gao gao. I probably spent 6 figure after years of chionging and kena kc before finally found the right one to end game.

Bro when you said found the right one , mean you eventually married the girl from this trade ? Does she change after you married her ?

[GeylangKia69]

After reading through the pages, my opinion is there is NO absolute in life. Yes agreed that WLs are here for the money. Yes there are gold diggers and I guess what many bros are trying to caution others are these gold diggers. But there are also nice WLs who truly want a listening ear simply because they are lonely here and there is chemistry between the both of you. Honestly it does make the sex better. That’s probably why we go back to our regulars regularly.

I’ve gone out on days with WLs on their off days. Go for nice meals. Go shopping @ supermarket. Go temple because she want to pray for her family. She cook food for me with the ingredients we bought. We share pictures what we eat, what we do. We say good night good morning. No right or wrong. As long as you both are happy.

But of course there has to be a line drawn when it involves cheating or manipulation and large sums of money are involved. You need to know how much you can afford to spend. Be careful with your heart. Don’t fall too deeply in love with the wrong person but also be sincere and treat them well like hosting a female friend from overseas or going out on dates with a pretty girl. :D remain friends with a few WLs even after they RTU. There can be beautiful friendships that can blossom BUT keep your eyes OPEN.

[galaxyass]

After reading through the pages, my opinion is there is NO absolute in life. Yes agreed that WLs are here for the money. Yes there are gold diggers and I guess what many bros are trying to caution others are these gold diggers. But there are also nice WLs who truly want a listening ear simply because they are lonely here and there is chemistry between the both of you. Honestly it does make the sex better. That’s probably why we go back to our regulars regularly.

I’ve gone out on days with WLs on their off days. Go for nice meals. Go shopping @ supermarket. Go temple because she want to pray for her family. She cook food for me with the ingredients we bought. We share pictures what we eat, what we do. We say good night good morning. No right or wrong. As long as you both are happy.

But of course there has to be a line drawn when it involves cheating or manipulation and large sums of money are involved. You need to know how much you can afford to spend. Be careful with your heart. Don’t fall too deeply in love with the wrong person but also be sincere and treat them well like hosting a female friend from overseas or going out on dates with a pretty girl. :D

I totally agree on this. Most of the WL have their own life back home before meeting you.... they cant just cut off everything because eventually they still need to return to their life back home.

Just enjoy the time with them while it last.... end of the day both of you are happy at that moment.

[Darge]

我不管天长地久，只要现在拥有。

[cool69z]

we can see whether she is in love or just because of money when we are in trouble and see whether she stays or leaves us. Whatever her job, this is about character, if is in a relationship

[Chrisk456]

Stumble upon this thread when I need help.. maybe is fate..

Some background, started to chiong 2 years ago only when covid re-open GL. I was a virgin back then, first time was some dirty massage place to a vietbu in 30s..

After that go to fish tanks, at first was very paranoid for STDs everytime , will request for cap BJ always and no kissing even if the girl dun mind. Will go dsc for check up every 6 months or so, back then I chiong at most once a month after pay day...

Fast forward to few months ago, due to some personal and work stress, I began visit GL every week once even twice. I avoid those $60 house, found a $100 Thai house with good quality girls..

Recently I keep visiting a same girl (3-4 times) and I even gotten her line at the last visit. I haven’t message her but she told me she next week one week no work., maybe is hinting me to jio her? Idk…..

This siambu reminds me of my crush in sch last time (I loser liked a girl one sided for 3-4 years) .. I’m not sure should I just try to jio her out and make her my “girlfriend”…
I know it probably won’t end well… she may not even reply me line… but idk… need some advices from bros here

to give you a sense of realization let's find out if your girl is into you.. whenever I want thai WL I also freq this same house you're talking about. PM me the girl number and I'll tell you what she say to me. I think at least I RTF 3 girls in that same thai house (once every week for every one of them).

[galaxyass]

we can see whether she is in love or just because of money when we are in trouble and see whether she stays or leaves us. Whatever her job, this is about character, if is in a relationship
If she is in trouble, we will also do the same and vanished.... 🤣🤣🤣

[tim123456]

If she is in trouble, we will also do the same and vanished.... 🤣🤣🤣

in the end hahaha

[Rubbaking]

I have a couple of friends who marry a viet.. 1 was from vietnam the other was already studying in Singapore. Both marriages ended in tears after years of emotional turmoil.

Only exception is if marry rich viets

[Rubbaking]

If she is in trouble, we will also do the same and vanished.... 🤣🤣🤣

Hence whenever want to test water, remember to bring the wl out to eat at hawker centre and take bus and do not wear any branded. If the fl still willing to do it, then maybe can consider.

[naan1974]

to give you a sense of realization let's find out if your girl is into you.. whenever I want thai WL I also freq this same house you're talking about. PM me the girl number and I'll tell you what she say to me. I think at least I RTF 3 girls in that same thai house (once every week for every one of them).

It will be blantanly devastating for TS to hear what she said to other men in the room, but as a wl, its her job to lure and charm every customer with sweet lies. Well, there maybe 1 whom she is trueful to with her words, nobody knows. .
Having said that, as much as i believe these gals do have feelings, i hv to reiterate, nothing comes before money in their world. Love is just something good to have for them. They have had given up everything for the money here.

[Chrisk456]

It will be blantanly devastating for TS to hear what she said to other men in the room, but as a wl, its her job to lure and charm every customer with sweet lies. Well, there maybe 1 whom she is trueful to with her words, nobody knows. .
Having said that, as much as i believe these gals do have feelings, i hv to reiterate, nothing comes before money in their world. Love is just something good to have for them. They have had given up everything for the money here.

Yeah agreed on that point. Also getting their contact (Line/Wechat) is not something to be proud of. I can actually have all of them and they also reply to me, worst thing is they send the same message to all of their customers trying to talk about how hard it is to work in GL, they tired, mama/baba/sis/bro sick then after an average 5 hours++ for the reply and these other bros thinking WL love them lol. I also encounter some bros bringing food, alcohol and sometimes groceries wtf..they need to know these girls earn much more than an average person here in Singapore. They spoil the girl then what I thought WL service the customer not the other way around. If someone want to marry the WL prepare your bank account not because of the girl but because of other bros. Look at queue, check if can fight with looks, if you not confident enough then prepare your bank account and assets instead. Both got nothing then how is the customer gonna make a difference in the WL life? Three choices, FUCK then FORGET, GO HOME or GO OTHER HOUSE and you will forget these high-level GFE KC trapping thais because of vietbu topnotch service or china beauty. Besides thais do cap their BJ and hard to unlock..

[kimetae]

Hence whenever want to test water, remember to bring the wl out to eat at hawker centre and take bus and do not wear any branded. If the fl still willing to do it, then maybe can consider.

I'm the same as you. that's what I always do. and it's not uncommon for some wl to underestimate me haha
but this is part of testing until you find a good one

[sampat3388]

Yeah agreed on that point. Also getting their contact (Line/Wechat) is not something to be proud of. I can actually have all of them and they also reply to me, worst thing is they send the same message to all of their customers trying to talk about how hard it is to work in GL, they tired, mama/baba/sis/bro sick then after an average 5 hours++ for the reply and these other bros thinking WL love them lol. I also encounter some bros bringing food, alcohol and sometimes groceries wtf..they need to know these girls earn much more than an average person here in Singapore. They spoil the girl then what I thought WL service the customer not the other way around. If someone want to marry the WL prepare your bank account not because of the girl but because of other bros. Look at queue, check if can fight with looks, if you not confident enough then prepare your bank account and assets instead. Both got nothing then how is the customer gonna make a difference in the WL life? Three choices, FUCK then FORGET, GO HOME or GO OTHER HOUSE and you will forget these high-level GFE KC trapping thais because of vietbu topnotch service or china beauty. Besides thais do cap their BJ and hard to unlock..

That's the reality . but many people still fall for their tricks so they feel that they are the only ones who are treated special. forget that that's their job hahaha

[bradpitt968]

It will be blantanly devastating for TS to hear what she said to other men in the room, but as a wl, its her job to lure and charm every customer with sweet lies. Well, there maybe 1 whom she is trueful to with her words, nobody knows. .
Having said that, as much as i believe these gals do have feelings, i hv to reiterate, nothing comes before money in their world. Love is just something good to have for them. They have had given up everything for the money here.

Yes. There will be WLs who are out to just get whatever $$ they can from whichever willing customer they can get their hands on. If a guy can fall for it, then those will be consider as "school fees" for them.

Not all the WLs are so bad. Yes, we all are working for money but we will have some bottomline that we will adhere to. Same for them also.

Frankly, to all the WLs, the service they provide is basically similar to massage. Some WLs even don't want bf at all because they earn $$ her and manage to start some business back in Thailand that they can go back to and don't need to work as WLs anymore.

But the greatest challenge will be when all the reality of life hits. How to meet each other frequently. How to support her and support yourself. What is the plan for both of you in 5yrs? In 10yrs? And after?

[Art66888]

Yes. There will be WLs who are out to just get whatever $$ they can from whichever willing customer they can get their hands on. If a guy can fall for it, then those will be consider as "school fees" for them.

Not all the WLs are so bad. Yes, we all are working for money but we will have some bottomline that we will adhere to. Same for them also.

Frankly, to all the WLs, the service they provide is basically similar to massage. Some WLs even don't want bf at all because they earn $$ her and manage to start some business back in Thailand that they can go back to and don't need to work as WLs anymore.

But the greatest challenge will be when all the reality of life hits. How to meet each other frequently. How to support her and support yourself. What is the plan for both of you in 5yrs? In 10yrs? And after?

The point is that extra consideration is needed

[bradpitt968]

The point is that extra consideration is needed

That is of course.

There are so many factors to consider. Normal cross border relationship is already a challenge. Having said that, I must say that Singaporeans gals are really losing out.

When I went drinking, almost all the busty chio gals that met my standards are all Thai gals or Vietbu or Malaysian gal. Really very few local Singaporean gals.

To be frank, I came across quite a lot of very good WLs in Geylang. Of course there are those who keep asking to buy stuff for them but I really did came across many who are really nice and sincere. They are my regulars all the way till they finished their contract. They didn't asked for expensive gifts but just enjoy the time with me. I really wish all of them well after they went back to Thailand.

[cool69z]

That is of course.

There are so many factors to consider. Normal cross border relationship is already a challenge. Having said that, I must say that Singaporeans gals are really losing out.

When I went drinking, almost all the busty chio gals that met my standards are all Thai gals or Vietbu or Malaysian gal. Really very few local Singaporean gals.

To be frank, I came across quite a lot of very good WLs in Geylang. Of course there are those who keep asking to buy stuff for them but I really did came across many who are really nice and sincere. They are my regulars all the way till they finished their contract. They didn't asked for expensive gifts but just enjoy the time with me. I really wish all of them well after they went back to Thailand.

For them, getting working hours makes them happy to meet their working hours target. because if they already have customers, they don't need to wait for sales on that day. But it's like they already have guest savings

[sex1over]

Despite the fact that I strongly disagree on a relationship with a WL, one of the most effective way to test is if she is willing to support you financially. Plenty of girls (Thai, Viet or PRC) have voluntarily financially supported their boyfriends in their own country so this can be a good trial.

However, I would suggest not to conduct such trial cos I think it's morally wrong to test love. Expectation of love is different for each individual so let's not measure others with our yardstick.

If there is such a thought in your mind about "if she truly loves you or just wans your money" then perhaps, its already a sign for you NOT to venture further.

Being the old fart that i am, I would like to share my opinions about a relationship with WLs.
1. Is it LUST or is it really LOVE that you feeling?
2. Different nationality means that there is lesser common topics & more cultural differences.
3. Would you ever bring up the matter of her working as a WL in future quarrels?
4. Would she trust you to be out late nights when she knows what you're capable of?
5. How do you overcome the VISA problem since she might potentially be barred from entering Singapore for god-knows how long?
6. Would you feel embarrassed when you bring her for gatherings and your friends recognized her as an Ex-WL?

I would suggest for the younger lads to proceed with caution if you decide to go down this path. It might be tougher and more heart wrenching that we all think.

Cheers.

[Chrisk456]

Despite the fact that I strongly disagree on a relationship with a WL, one of the most effective way to test is if she is willing to support you financially. Plenty of girls (Thai, Viet or PRC) have voluntarily financially supported their boyfriends in their own country so this can be a good trial.

However, I would suggest not to conduct such trial cos I think it's morally wrong to test love. Expectation of love is different for each individual so let's not measure others with our yardstick.

If there is such a thought in your mind about "if she truly loves you or just wans your money" then perhaps, its already a sign for you NOT to venture further.

Being the old fart that i am, I would like to share my opinions about a relationship with WLs.
1. Is it LUST or is it really LOVE that you feeling?
2. Different nationality means that there is lesser common topics & more cultural differences.
3. Would you ever bring up the matter of her working as a WL in future quarrels?
4. Would she trust you to be out late nights when she knows what you're capable of?
5. How do you overcome the VISA problem since she might potentially be barred from entering Singapore for god-knows how long?
6. Would you feel embarrassed when you bring her for gatherings and your friends recognized her as an Ex-WL?

I would suggest for the younger lads to proceed with caution if you decide to go down this path. It might be tougher and more heart wrenching that we all think.

Cheers.

Thanks for the advice but that one actually is the second step.

The first step is still the hardest as it is a mental gamble and that is how would you really know if the WL is into you?

Says you're different from others? Misses you? Thats BS some of my regulars says they want to marry me lol
Goes out with you? No either but can be considered, she might go out with others too on another day how would u know
Allows you raw? Not a perfect measure but wls now in GL are known to give it to their regulars
Talks about her problems/family/life? No, its just another drama to make you come back
Shares her social media? Maybe considered as this is her personal life already opening up before your eyes but this is very rare to happen

Would someome really know first hand? Not at all. ITS A LEAP OF FAITH!

If you made the jump be prepared to either fall into the void, bound to never return to your sanity or land on a real life fairy tale land. Good luck!

[escobar43535]

Despite the fact that I strongly disagree on a relationship with a WL, one of the most effective way to test is if she is willing to support you financially. Plenty of girls (Thai, Viet or PRC) have voluntarily financially supported their boyfriends in their own country so this can be a good trial.

However, I would suggest not to conduct such trial cos I think it's morally wrong to test love. Expectation of love is different for each individual so let's not measure others with our yardstick.

If there is such a thought in your mind about "if she truly loves you or just wans your money" then perhaps, its already a sign for you NOT to venture further.

Being the old fart that i am, I would like to share my opinions about a relationship with WLs.
1. Is it LUST or is it really LOVE that you feeling?
2. Different nationality means that there is lesser common topics & more cultural differences.
3. Would you ever bring up the matter of her working as a WL in future quarrels?
4. Would she trust you to be out late nights when she knows what you're capable of?
5. How do you overcome the VISA problem since she might potentially be barred from entering Singapore for god-knows how long?
6. Would you feel embarrassed when you bring her for gatherings and your friends recognized her as an Ex-WL?

I would suggest for the younger lads to proceed with caution if you decide to go down this path. It might be tougher and more heart wrenching that we all think.

Cheers.
Well said bro:cool:

With regards your point 6, I have a true funny story to share;)

This was many years ago before PRC and Viet gals were allowed in RLD GL houses.

Was at one of my regular Malaysian GL houses, relaxing in the lounge area post coital. Saw a young customer drop in and sit down. After awhile, an angpai syt Malaysian gal from another GL house entered the house ( precovid, Malaysian and later PRC gals could also ply their trade outhouse).

The moment both the gal and customer saw each other their faces changed like they both had seen a ghost, jaws dropped:D The gal then took the okt aside and whispered some stuff to him. She then bolted out of the house, returning to her house. The young customer then also got up and left the house as well.

Very curious and strange goings-on:rolleyes: I then called the okt to sit with me, had known him for a long time already. Straight away asked what had happened?!

Long story short, seems like a couple of nights previously, the gal had gone out to a disco with her friends and eventually hooked up with this young customer, even spent the night with him. Non commercial affair of sorts, pure lust and being happy. Naturally she did not disclose to him that she was a RLD GL WL:p

Now totally embarrassed, so she just wanted to disappear from this unfortunate 'reunion':D

[kimetae]

Despite the fact that I strongly disagree on a relationship with a WL, one of the most effective way to test is if she is willing to support you financially. Plenty of girls (Thai, Viet or PRC) have voluntarily financially supported their boyfriends in their own country so this can be a good trial.

However, I would suggest not to conduct such trial cos I think it's morally wrong to test love. Expectation of love is different for each individual so let's not measure others with our yardstick.

If there is such a thought in your mind about "if she truly loves you or just wans your money" then perhaps, its already a sign for you NOT to venture further.

Being the old fart that i am, I would like to share my opinions about a relationship with WLs.
1. Is it LUST or is it really LOVE that you feeling?
2. Different nationality means that there is lesser common topics & more cultural differences.
3. Would you ever bring up the matter of her working as a WL in future quarrels?
4. Would she trust you to be out late nights when she knows what you're capable of?
5. How do you overcome the VISA problem since she might potentially be barred from entering Singapore for god-knows how long?
6. Would you feel embarrassed when you bring her for gatherings and your friends recognized her as an Ex-WL?

I would suggest for the younger lads to proceed with caution if you decide to go down this path. It might be tougher and more heart wrenching that we all think.

Cheers.

This has happened to my friend. he told me that he fell in love and was in an official relationship with a woman from the nightlife. he said that he didn't have a problem with her past work because it stopped now. but sometimes if the girl asks my friend to go to the mall together and my friend is still embarrassed. my friend asked my opinion
I answered, the only one who can answer is you. And your situation is not what the woman is because she is in a position where she can only accept the situation. But you as a man have to be really sure, how long will you hide her so that you are embarrassed to go out in public together. Then, for example, if you are able to hide it or a woman wants to understand so that she doesn't ask to go out together again in public, are you as a man being fair to her feelings by hiding her? That's what you have to think about. Are you ready or not if you go out in public and maybe someone will be the woman's guest? secondly, can you really not think when having sex that before you were with you she worked with many men? But the ending is my friend already marriage with her now and they happy . My friend choose to no hide again 😁

[Chrisk456]

This has happened to my friend. he told me that he fell in love and was in an official relationship with a woman from the nightlife. he said that he didn't have a problem with her past work because it stopped now. but sometimes if the girl asks my friend to go to the mall together and my friend is still embarrassed. my friend asked my opinion
I answered, the only one who can answer is you. And your situation is not what the woman is because she is in a position where she can only accept the situation. But you as a man have to be really sure, how long will you hide her so that you are embarrassed to go out in public together. Then, for example, if you are able to hide it or a woman wants to understand so that she doesn't ask to go out together again in public, are you as a man being fair to her feelings by hiding her? That's what you have to think about. Are you ready or not if you go out in public and maybe someone will be the woman's guest? secondly, can you really not think when having sex that before you were with you she worked with many men? But the ending is my friend already marriage with her now and they happy . My friend choose to no hide again 😁

Truth be told, its hard to introduce a girl coming from this profession but it doesn't matter as long as theyre committed to each other. I also have a local friend who married a Viet ML. They had 1 kid now and my friend is planning to give up his Singapore life to move to Vietnam for good. They use a cover up story to tell other people that they meet in a random bar in Bangkok.

But going back to the main subject, how do we really how if the girl loves you or just milks you money? How do you justify especially for a girl who works in GL (as TS is talking about before) whom we can only talk in a few sqm room, Wechat/Line/SMS and if one is lucky, out for a lunch?

Its a tough game which can only be played with the rules set by the girls themselves. At the end of the day, my advise is be extra careful. Theyre here in Singapore to earn money and not for a boyfriend.

[masakii]

Truth be told, its hard to introduce a girl coming from this profession but it doesn't matter as long as theyre committed to each other. I also have a local friend who married a Viet ML. They had 1 kid now and my friend is planning to give up his Singapore life to move to Vietnam for good. They use a cover up story to tell other people that they meet in a random bar in Bangkok.

But going back to the main subject, how do we really how if the girl loves you or just milks you money? How do you justify especially for a girl who works in GL (as TS is talking about before) whom we can only talk in a few sqm room, Wechat/Line/SMS and if one is lucky, out for a lunch?

Its a tough game which can only be played with the rules set by the girls themselves. At the end of the day, my advise is be extra careful. Theyre here in Singapore to earn money and not for a boyfriend.


Logically it's like that. that they are in that position to make money. So if there is a serious relationship, it's better to stop the job .Maybe it can be a little test whether she loves or just money.

[Rubbaking]

Despite the fact that I strongly disagree on a relationship with a WL, one of the most effective way to test is if she is willing to support you financially. Plenty of girls (Thai, Viet or PRC) have voluntarily financially supported their boyfriends in their own country so this can be a good trial.

However, I would suggest not to conduct such trial cos I think it's morally wrong to test love. Expectation of love is different for each individual so let's not measure others with our yardstick.

If there is such a thought in your mind about "if she truly loves you or just wans your money" then perhaps, its already a sign for you NOT to venture further.

Being the old fart that i am, I would like to share my opinions about a relationship with WLs.
1. Is it LUST or is it really LOVE that you feeling?
2. Different nationality means that there is lesser common topics & more cultural differences.
3. Would you ever bring up the matter of her working as a WL in future quarrels?
4. Would she trust you to be out late nights when she knows what you're capable of?
5. How do you overcome the VISA problem since she might potentially be barred from entering Singapore for god-knows how long?
6. Would you feel embarrassed when you bring her for gatherings and your friends recognized her as an Ex-WL?

I would suggest for the younger lads to proceed with caution if you decide to go down this path. It might be tougher and more heart wrenching that we all think.

Cheers.

You hit all the key points. As for the last point, it is kind of weird but it seems that some guys envy even more if they know you can kc a wl (without money). Maybe it is the yolo era now.

[Rubbaking]

Truth be told, its hard to introduce a girl coming from this profession but it doesn't matter as long as theyre committed to each other. I also have a local friend who married a Viet ML. They had 1 kid now and my friend is planning to give up his Singapore life to move to Vietnam for good. They use a cover up story to tell other people that they meet in a random bar in Bangkok.

But going back to the main subject, how do we really how if the girl loves you or just milks you money? How do you justify especially for a girl who works in GL (as TS is talking about before) whom we can only talk in a few sqm room, Wechat/Line/SMS and if one is lucky, out for a lunch?

Its a tough game which can only be played with the rules set by the girls themselves. At the end of the day, my advise is be extra careful. Theyre here in Singapore to earn money and not for a boyfriend.

Actually working in random bar in bkk or being a wl or ml, there is no difference. All will involve flesh jobs at some point when the offer is right. But good to see happy ending here though i would think your friend may have endured a lot of stuff. But nice choice, living in vietnam is for sure way more cost effective than in singapore and their standard of living is improving. Their cars are all newer than us though shitty road conditions. And you said it right, they set the rules. That alone is not easy. Not to mention they have seen countless of men and they know all sorts of characters. But nonetheless, they are human and females. End of the day they will still either choose a white knight or back to their ownselves. It is hard to take a whore out of one.

[Rubbaking]

This has happened to my friend. he told me that he fell in love and was in an official relationship with a woman from the nightlife. he said that he didn't have a problem with her past work because it stopped now. but sometimes if the girl asks my friend to go to the mall together and my friend is still embarrassed. my friend asked my opinion
I answered, the only one who can answer is you. And your situation is not what the woman is because she is in a position where she can only accept the situation. But you as a man have to be really sure, how long will you hide her so that you are embarrassed to go out in public together. Then, for example, if you are able to hide it or a woman wants to understand so that she doesn't ask to go out together again in public, are you as a man being fair to her feelings by hiding her? That's what you have to think about. Are you ready or not if you go out in public and maybe someone will be the woman's guest? secondly, can you really not think when having sex that before you were with you she worked with many men? But the ending is my friend already marriage with her now and they happy . My friend choose to no hide again 😁

I chose to tell my close friends where my gf works in the past right from the beginning. It is not a glamourous job but it is still an honest job. As long as she stopped the line for good. It feels more shiok bringing them to the mall as they turn almost all heads.

[galaxyass]

Gf must be super chio, we enjoy all the attention when we bring them out for meals or shopping. Even though guys will guess that your gf is from the nitelife but hack care.... the main thing is that my gf is hot and urs is not.... hahaha.... that is why many of us still go after girls in this line of work....

[unfit]

Rule of thumb

Always remember to see them without any makeover

To be 100% sure

Me got nightmares after my previous experience:D

[galaxyass]

Totally agree.... 80% of them looks totally different without their mask.... some might even look scary.... ������

[Rubbaking]

Gf must be super chio, we enjoy all the attention when we bring them out for meals or shopping. Even though guys will guess that your gf is from the nitelife but hack care.... the main thing is that my gf is hot and urs is not.... hahaha.... that is why many of us still go after girls in this line of work....

And paying big bucks for them…

[galaxyass]

And paying big bucks for them…
If you are paying big bucks for them, then TS wont be asking in this thread.... the answer will be obvious... normally you wont be paying alot when going out as they are also playing the fishing game.....

[Chrisk456]

If you are paying big bucks for them, then TS wont be asking in this thread.... the answer will be obvious... normally you wont be paying alot when going out as they are also playing the fishing game.....

Yes. He probably thinking about the risk and rewards of investing to a WL given the shit ton of facts we already dropped. I wonder what has happened to him right now. I hope he get another WL from another house or from the same house and moved on. Easy

[Rubbaking]

If you are paying big bucks for them, then TS wont be asking in this thread.... the answer will be obvious... normally you wont be paying alot when going out as they are also playing the fishing game.....

True, though 99% of the time will end up paying if really into it and TS wants to be exclusive.

[Chrisk456]

True, though 99% of the time will end up paying if really into it and TS wants to be exclusive.

Exclusive milking cow for the WL

[galaxyass]

Exclusive is a scary word for many people.... we want her to be exclusive and she also want us to be exclusive.... this is one almost impossible criteria to be fullfilled.... no matter what she or we promise, something somewhere will definitely go off tracked....

[bradpitt968]

I chose to tell my close friends where my gf works in the past right from the beginning. It is not a glamourous job but it is still an honest job. As long as she stopped the line for good. It feels more shiok bringing them to the mall as they turn almost all heads.

Frankly, if our friend (who is not rich) is together with a angpai gal. May it be from GL or nightclub or whatever. Do we feel envious of them or will we look down on them?

When I go drinking now, all the chio busty babes that I saw are all Thai gals, Viet bu and gals from other countries. SG gals, many are those doing well type. They are proud and they feel that a man should "love" them as who they are. LOL!

[4rchdevil]

Frankly, if our friend (who is not rich) is together with a angpai gal. May it be from GL or nightclub or whatever. Do we feel envious of them or will we look down on them?

When I go drinking now, all the chio busty babes that I saw are all Thai gals, Viet bu and gals from other countries. SG gals, many are those doing well type. They are proud and they feel that a man should "love" them as who they are. LOL!

maybe not jealousy. but men sometimes always have a side that doesn't want to lose. like thinking "shit he not rich but he can be with that girl" so more precisely it's about pride maybe. Idk its right / no ,but this is my opinion bro

[Rubbaking]

Frankly, if our friend (who is not rich) is together with a angpai gal. May it be from GL or nightclub or whatever. Do we feel envious of them or will we look down on them?

When I go drinking now, all the chio busty babes that I saw are all Thai gals, Viet bu and gals from other countries. SG gals, many are those doing well type. They are proud and they feel that a man should "love" them as who they are. LOL!

Most of the time envious. I guess there are two types of guys but not generalising. One group is who go for girls who are doing well so they do not have to come up with a dime and they can make do with a hole only. Another type would be who die die prefer to be with a chiobu and have the means to support them.

[Rubbaking]

Exclusive is a scary word for many people.... we want her to be exclusive and she also want us to be exclusive.... this is one almost impossible criteria to be fullfilled.... no matter what she or we promise, something somewhere will definitely go off tracked....

Very true indeed. Guess eating the same dish everyday also boring.

[Chrisk456]

Very true indeed. Guess eating the same dish everyday also boring.

Yes. Who does that? Everytime go back GL take the same WL non stop so boring. Definitely a buffet is much better than the same chicken rice no matter how good it is. Bad thing is WL always, always wants the money. Once receive money put on mask of sweetness and fake lies and the TS now fall in love with fantasy.

Guys who fall into this trap is now living in a borrowed time. Once WL return expect you all get blocked/ignored/forgotten already. They all have own lives back home sometimes got a BF. They worked in different brothels, massage houses in every country they know before coming to GL but this TS think he is the first time becoming the knight in shining armor for the WL. Never thought about it huh?

Enjoy life lah! Go thai-viet-prc all the same night or at different times. Different girl, different race, different service, different feeling. No need for attachment. If TS want a wife go find in dating app or workplace much better.

[nllzboy]

Yes. Who does that? Everytime go back GL take the same WL non stop so boring. Definitely a buffet is much better than the same chicken rice no matter how good it is. Bad thing is WL always, always wants the money. Once receive money put on mask of sweetness and fake lies and the TS now fall in love with fantasy.

Guys who fall into this trap is now living in a borrowed time. Once WL return expect you all get blocked/ignored/forgotten already. They all have own lives back home sometimes got a BF. They worked in different brothels, massage houses in every country they know before coming to GL but this TS think he is the first time becoming the knight in shining armor for the WL. Never thought about it huh?

Enjoy life lah! Go thai-viet-prc all the same night or at different times. Different girl, different race, different service, different feeling. No need for attachment. If TS want a wife go find in dating app or workplace much better.


not even boyfriends, sometimes they have husbands 😂
and this really happened. My friend got into a lot of debt, and used customer money from the company he worked for, because he fell in love and felt sorry for WL. I warned him but he believes WL is not playing with him. but in the end it was discovered that WL only took as much money as possible from my friend and then disappeared.

[Chrisk456]

not even boyfriends, sometimes they have husbands 😂
and this really happened. My friend got into a lot of debt, and used customer money from the company he worked for, because he fell in love and felt sorry for WL. I warned him but he believes WL is not playing with him. but in the end it was discovered that WL only took as much money as possible from my friend and then disappeared.

That was painful bro im gonna cry lol so please to all other guys out there whose trying to make ends meet every month, 1 session is enough for 1 girl, can have 2 or more if service was good. They came here for money, not for romance.