Sugars and spices

[NotMyRealName]

Hi, just want to write about my stories.
Married for over 2x7 (so perhaps double the itch), anyway gave in to the temptation of lust/want-to-have-gf-feeling/whatever, started with social escorts, then pros from online okt, and later to Geylang, went to Orchard Tower and Brix just to see what's the fuss about. Gone to Amsterdam, BKK, but have yet to visit the Dongguan or ChangPing/ChangAn place.

Back to the theme, it's about sugars and the spices that comes along with it.

[alan0338]

camp here ...... :D

[studdyme]

camping for more!

[NotMyRealName]

Sorry, under moderation, so slowly it cums ;-)

Me, 42 yrs old then, puts an ad on a local ads posting site for a sugar babe, requesting for 20-23 yrs old and stating preferring local SG girl, offer monthly allowance and details to be discussed over email.

Over a period of more than a month, only a couple of girls tried email me, one or two are just curious girls asking if the ad is real. One SG and one Malaysian Chinese gal who are here in Singapore is interested. More of them later.

[NotMyRealName]

Firstly, the Malaysian Girl "F" is 21, 1.68, she is SPM (our A level equivalent) but result were average, she has worked as a part-time model and after finish SPM she did more than a year of full time modeling. She claimed that she had been offered to be Baoed by Malaysian businessman but never agreed.

F suddenly felt that modeling work is not long term, and wanted to do fashion design, so she came to Singapore. No relative here. She work full time in a 3* Hotel restaurant as waitress while applying to go into one of the Poly full time diploma course.

[NotMyRealName]

She thinks that she needed money for school fees, accommodation and expenses, and she claimed that she is lonely here as her familiar ground is Malaysia (she has not been to Singapore before) so a good boyfriend who take cares of her financial needs is what she wants. That is when she chanced upon my online advert and we chatted via email and then MSN.

We met one Saturday afternoon at a ice-cream cafe in the area of Novena. She has the model look, A/A+ size boobs, near my 1.76m height because she wear heals (3 inches), and looks above average.

She said this is her first time, so I was the one who brings up the topic of how much money to bao her, what's her background, going to study (nowadays, I don't ask so much question, I'm not looking for wife material, but that's a later topic), etc etc.

[NotMyRealName]

One question I remembered asking her if she will be exclusive, and she said do I mean I'll have more than one baoyee at a time? I said my question meant will she be exclusively mine only and she said she will be, but she will take up part time modelling job whenever her agency called for her.

I said ok. Little did I realise until later than she is hiding more than her part time modelling job from me.

So we began a month of bf-gf relationship, and I helped her find and move to a room which is closer to her Poly-of-choice while waiting for the acceptance by the Poly. But she got a rejection letter. She said why the Poly reject her, I asked her to call the school and she did, the reply was her results not good enough while the course attracts good candidates. I encouraged her to try the local popular arts and design institute and she did apply.

[NotMyRealName]

Meanwhile, sometime she can disappear without a single SMS. Later she will say that her modelling agency got her and a few other models onto a yacht and is part of the gig that she has to undertake, which is not strictly modelling work but to help entertain business guests of the model agency's boss.

Anyway, I was impatient that I did not get beyond hug and simple kisses, while she said she will want to ease into it because she has not have a bf for over a year. But I was dark mood after the sixth or seventh time where she only allow kiss at one night that we were at a ECP car park. I insisted to go to a hotel with short-term stay and she didn't reply. We drove to an area where there are a couple of hotels with short-term stay and she waited in the car while I get the room.

[NotMyRealName]

After sending her home, that night we sms each other and we reaffirm that we liked each other.

I found something about her online in facebook via google. She has three facebook profiles, one she uses to keep in touch with her old home town school mates and friend and quite innocent stuff. While the other two profiles are those she uses to be with friends she made after she gone modelling or just know from over the Internet.

She is not Internet savvy, and one of this FB profile, she asks if anyone knows of this certain rare collector item that normally man will collect.

[NotMyRealName]

My interest was piqued and I search further on it and without divulging how I got the info, I learnt that she actually has another man whom she proclaimed to love very much for more than a year (while she has only been here a three months). He is very rich, comes from Malaysia, but has family and lives in condo in the Orchard. Apparently, she is two timing. And she owns up to it when I confronted her with the other guy's photo which I got from google search.

She said she wouldn't want to expose that guy's relationship with her and she loves that guy. I didn't know what else to say beside saying it's over between us. It lasted exactly a month.

With hindsight, I thanked my Internet knowledge and the lucky chance that the girl's lack of personal information security let me finds out about her two-timing sooner than later.

That's when I started to stay away from models for potential baoyee, a phobia that I have never got over.

[NotMyRealName]

I'll try to do a lessons learnt that goes with each gal.

I'm the budget limited type, at that time, I look for gal under 2K/month arrangement.

With this Malaysian Chinese gal, she is deceitful, and try to sell herself to be worth more. But modelling also high expenses because they are exposed to the glamour or parties/functions that they attended.

Anyway, another gal enter the picture, and this local gal is 21 yrs old from a local uni, final year undergrad in biz mgmt.

[NotMyRealName]

S, the local gal, stays in the Jurong West area, and studies in Clementi. Comes from single parent (father passed away in work accident a few years back) and she has an older sister who works but seldom gives money to help with family expenses. Mother works as food store and always tired.

She needed money for school fees and daily expenses. So she reply to my ad and we chatted on line. Initially she is looking to work as a WL via Internet on her own but after I said the ad is for sugarbabe she said it's even better, so we arranged to meet for the first time at a quiet pub.

She is slightly better than average looking, a little shy at first, and a little meaty (but not fat) which I find cute in a way. 1.63 ish height, C size boobs.

She finds that I'm okay and I too about her. We agreed on the monthly allowance.

[NotMyRealName]

Interestingly, saw a cafe at Alexandra Retail Centre today called Sugar N Spice.

[NotMyRealName]

Little did I realise until later in the process that local gal is not suitable, at least to me, to be a baoyee/sugarbabe. I'll share my analysis later.

She is undergoing final year of her studies, but free most weekdays night, and I meet her a couple of times a week, usually to have a meal or to catch a movie, first couple of weeks to get to know her.

She is sexperienced, having had 2 to 3 boyfriends. But, my work then is busy, forcing me to have little time before 8pm, but she can only stay out until 11pm or so. This I think, is the crux of problem of local gal. Reason being: until they are married, they stay with parent/s and siblings, and going home late is not usually accepted. The other major problem is local gal has larger social circle and many interests that get their attention than most foreigners here. So, meeting time is squeezed and always rush to meet her and then send her back.

This is worse when she hits the exam prep/actual exam period. Because she is average student, well at least she is focused ;-) that she dedicate most of her time and ask for my understanding to allow her for 4 weeks to fully prepare and then take her exam. I said if I need to see her, she at least try to make one of the night to meet me. But several attempts and it clashed with her study time with classmates to prepare for her exam came to a head.

Given the limited time to see her, and she failed one subject in her exam and thus will repeat, I think I've enough of difficulty to co-ordinate her schedule with my availability and call it end.

Fortunately, my 3rd time attempt to get a baoyee proved to be the best (or second best if the current one proves to be better in more ways than one).

p.s. although I need very little motivation to re-tell my experiences, a little encouragement is much appreciated.

[NotMyRealName]

WF is a PRC working as an junior executive in a US MNC. She is on 2-yrs work permit and had just renewed it.

She saw my ad and initiated email and subsequently MSN me to chat.

Her English is haltingly passable, and I learnt hanyu pinyin and enhance my proficiency of Chinese language because of her.

She came from JiangSu YangZhou, 22 yrs old, short at 1.59m, slim, high school grad, A+ boobs. She was shy at the initial stage of getting to know her, but her gfe grows very strong and it was the most heart-wrenching for us to part after a 16 months period together.

I remember meeting her the first time in a hong kong style cafe.

[Loon khor]

great story..keep up & camping for more!!

[NotMyRealName]

I remember meeting her the first time in a hong kong style cafe.

We asked each other questions, mainly me asking she reply. She said she felt lonely after 2 years in Singapore, and on a new contract and want to try something different. This is the first time I came across the so called "90后", although she is born in 1989, I think her thinking is more 前卫, or adventurous, which suits me just fine.

By the end of the chit chat, she knows I'm married with kids, she just wants to experience a relationship. She didn't say what to expect but said she expects help with her rent as she is sharing a common room with another girl, and she wants to move to a room to herself. So I offered 1k and she said ok.

[NotMyRealName]

great story..keep up & camping for more!!

Thanks Loon Khor.

[SharkAttack]

yo, thanks for sending in your exp.

I might try some bao some prc ladies some time this year. Was wondering if you can elaborate more on the difficulties and exciting dating experience you and the other party have.

Frankly 1k is more than enuf for a common room rental in a hdb.

[NotMyRealName]

yo, thanks for sending in your exp.

I might try some bao some prc ladies some time this year. Was wondering if you can elaborate more on the difficulties and exciting dating experience you and the other party have.

Frankly 1k is more than enuf for a common room rental in a hdb.

The 1k is to bao and it includes the room rental, so it was very economical in my view.

I think each person's mileage and experience is different. But I will not spend more than 2k (although one time I did spend 2.5k) on baoying. I'll share more via the stories here.

And really baoying a girl can be like minimum S$2.5k to S$7-8k depending on the demand of the girl and your perceived reasonableness of her asking fees.

[NotMyRealName]

With WF, unlike the rest, is my first time whereby I go to her place to enjoy her company, chit chat, kiss/hugs/bathe etc.

We also drive out to have dinner, walk in the park, see movies, etc. I even fetch her from her work place often enough that the security guys knows me.

I would say unlike the previous two girls (SG and MY ones), she is special, I mean I really treat her as my gf. We became intimate near the start of the second month when she has rented her own condo common room for I think 900. And that time the whole flat's is virtually ours because the students/workers are all out during the day (the whole flat is only rented to 5 persons including WF), so the sofa in the living room is where we did it. She said that she has only had sex for about five times previously, so she is quite inexperienced. But after with me for a year plus, there are weeks whereby we meet 5 times a week and I had 2x with herr some of those occasions.

We had our rough periods, especially during the initial seven months, whereby she said her friends think that she should get a single PRC guy for a marriage-type relationship while she had confided in me that she felt no confidence in a marriage-type relationship with any guy because her parents were divorced and re-married and yet still unhappy in the new marriage.

Anyway, each time I sweet talk to her, hug her, kiss her, and she cried on my shoulders and said she cannot be without me, at least in Singapore. Her dreams is to either go to U.S. or Europe to either work or travel before returning to her hometown to start new job or business there.

[Punder]

good story..

camping for more!! :D

[NotMyRealName]

WF's body are sensitive not in a touched-and-feel-itchy-moved-away kind of way which some of the girls unfortunately (or they tell that they are to avoid too much contact to get it over with, I never know).

Kiss her 5 minutes and below wet liao. Then her eyes mist up and her body position etc signal readiness, but I usually kiss her ear lobe, neck, breasts and she can get orgasm without penetration.

She said that one night of action she gets six to seven organism, and she is the one who I got so used to enough that I expend the foreplay, during play, from the initial shorter time to last an hour plus, and she always exhausted and fell into sleep right after. So to me, I learnt to prolong the pleasure and control and she enjoys it, win-win lah.

But, good things don't last, or in another words, she finds that her education and her work need to progress, so she takes up a six months part-time diploma in biz mgmt course and she got so busy that we hardly meet once a week.

And then I become sian and look for options.

[simple2kee]

very interesting story! :)

[Rain-Men]

great stuff bro.....definitely a great insight and must-read reference for all future sugardads-to-be :D Keep the writings coming!:)

[NastyNate]

Very interesting to read of your experiences bro. Don't forget to share your analysis of why local girls aren't good for kept mistresses.

[NotMyRealName]

Very interesting to read of your experiences bro. Don't forget to share your analysis of why local girls aren't good for kept mistresses.

Thanks bro.

Here's my analysis from my limited one local baoyee experience who is a full time student contrast with PRC baoyee who I've had here in SG and in PRC.

1. Background and social circle
Timid girl, who look to be baoed, is rare. So this sort of girl is more open. And they are in the local element. Their social circle, compared to foreign girls who are here (btw, I don't look for PRC who are here with their 姐妹 or have relatives who are here, their social circle is much bigger than those who are here alone, I think this is one factor to consider). Then when you go out, there is limited choices for places to go, even to watch movie or have a dinner or something. I mean even though they are student, you cannot always go to mid-high end places, and there is no guarantee that she don't run into her friends/relatives in such places anyway. Higher risks. Their wider network also means that they are less likely to be dependent on you, emotionally and financially. I mean a local girl who work part time tuition or waitress can fetch 1,200 or more these days given the foreign worker-local worker ratio or restriction thingy. Foreign girl who are here, have more time to think about you, local girl, a lot of other things to think and to do. And their to-do can be expensive. They want go Bali minimum. PRC girl, passport and visa holds them back ;-). Of course, local girl's background and language is their advantage but you've got to weigh the pros-and-cons.

2. Local Girl must go home everynight sydrome
A foreign girl here, who either stays hostels or shares rooms with flatmates who are not their sisters, will have less things to worry about staying out late or overnight. Local girl, much much tougher. Why expend so much energy to convince the girl to stay a bit later while you're the sugar dad. Waste to much energy to psycho. Foreign girl, she asks you whether you can stay overnight, to give her a feeling that you're her BF. Local girl, she is asking can end by 10pm or 11pm or whatever so that she can get home. She gives you an hour more and you think its a great compromise. Hello, who's your daddy ;-) See the difference. We all busy man, their schedule better fit ours, not the other way around, right?

3. Foreign Girl must go home eventually
A PRC girl, eventually go home at the end of their visa/passes. So they will have to go back. As long as you get the type who don't want you to divorce and marry her, then you and her knows it's not the long term type. And your promise of going to visit her and keep the relationship alive talk will just warm her heart while she is here. But when she gets home, she knows distance is the problem (because that is probably why she is lonely as her last PRC BF breaks the relationship stories are aplenty).

4. Information Inbalance
A local poly girl, who can search SBF using English and learns the baoyee market, knows a lot more and too much in my opinion. But hey, you should use the information inbalance to your advantage and leave the hard work to the girl to figure things out. So foreign PRC girl who are not a WL type here, they don't have the information, and to clear the home rent obstacle may be enough to tip her into thinking that you're the BF who is looking after her welfare.

5. Price/Cost/affordability
Having had 3 local baoyees, the PRC student type are the best in terms of cost. The singer type, even the not popular one, you know, the type that in the line-up, she the last 3 to 4 who barely gets to her required result 业绩. Even the non-popular singer type, is not really my economic bracket to manage, given that they have someone to compare to, yes - the glamorous who got the rich man hanging 10s of thousands a night. So they are not my type after they landed in SG. Student type, who are less open than the singer type and less experienced dealing with SG working man, need energy and patience to go past their resistance as they are in the look-out-but-not-yet-decided-to-cross-into-baoyee-relationship if they are in some financial worries. Those that I met are typically happy with rent+expenses. Local girl, 5k starting and they may go SBF to ask and compare.


My analysis are based on my limited one local girl experience compared with PRC baoyees who were in SG.

[NotMyRealName]

Someone upped my points. I dunno how to find out who is it. Thanks.

[ol'coyote]

interesting and educational thread...
thanks...

[Yardstick]

I learnt one thing from TS. Keep the money in your pocket and you will be filthy rich at the end of the year.

Thank you, TS. :)

[NotMyRealName]

I learnt one thing from TS. Keep the money in your pocket and you will be filthy rich at the end of the year.

Thank you, TS. :)
Of course, but you spend to get some pleasure. No free lunch mah.

I just keep telling the story from my view.

[NotMyRealName]

While WF was doing her diploma in Biz mgmt course in earnest, which meant we hardly meet even once in two weeks and we had an argument about I cannot get her to meet with me.

So I logged into a SG friends website and voila, a girl posted a looking for sugardad in Chinese. A couple of emails later, we arranged to meet on a Saturday morning in a Mcdonald.

Ms X is a Kindergarden Chinese language teacher, this is a new type that I've not talked to before. Prior to meeting with her, I've thought kindergarden teachers are in their late 30s or early 40s, hehe.

She, 31 yrs old, came from Jilin, very fair skin, milf looking but have meat at the right places. She works in a kindergarden in the west. Usually leaves work by 6pm or 7pm. Kind, gentle, and lonely. She has a girl aged 7 and divorced, been in SG for over a year.

When she posted the ad, she said she needed help with her family expenses but she also say she is not looking for the highest bidder but for someone that is gentle and nice to her. I said I'm not rich, given that I've to pay a lot of family expenses, so I can only afford 1k a month, and she herself reduced it to $600, which I said she need the money so we settled on S$800.

[cabayasi]

This girl is good in taming guy heart.

Good sharing TS. Thanks.

[Yardstick]

So good? self reduction in price is rather fishy. She may just be trying to get a permenant food ticket for herself and her child here.

[NotMyRealName]

So good? self reduction in price is rather fishy. She may just be trying to get a permenant food ticket for herself and her child here.

It's over more than 2 years ago. Anyway she got a parmanent live-in BF now, she is happy and I was happy, that was good enough, don't you think? :)

[NotMyRealName]

I met X in a Mcdonald on Saturday morning, she is not slim but only slightly more meaty in the right places.

She had lived in Japan with her ex-BF for a year, and she likes the routine of her work and the children she take cares of in the kindergarden.

She stays alone in a very tiny storeroom with a single bed. Her landlord don't allow visitors. So we met outside, dinners, saw the TangShang Earth Quake movie and she cried so many times that my shoulders were all wet.

Our first time was an eye opener for me to the 闷骚milf type. I rented a short term room for a week and in the week day we were there, the flat has another lady working at home on her notebook.

We closed the door, turn on the aircon. She is conservative type but with the proper duration type of foreplay, she grabs the initiative. While petting and roaming her C+ breast and her sweet spot, she moans softly and even put her hand to her mouth to stifle the sound, but when aroused further, she opens her legs and grabs my shaft, I slowly move down to lick her honey hole and her loud moans probably disturbed the next room neighbour. She said laogong, please take her, and she was all about mumbling her desire to be fxxk and fxxk hard.

Anyway, we did not carry on long, due to her work schedule and her always worry about her daugther in China, and the appearance of another girl, Ms hair-dyed red TT.

[NotMyRealName]

Ms X is not bad, kind hearted, and felt lonely. She felt guilty about her daughter because she left her with her sister, and she has been working away from home either in another province or overseas in Japan and Singapore for at least 5 years.

She is a good wifey material, and she is sweet, not very pretty but shy kind of laughter and smile. I wish her all the best and we stayed friends for more than a year until she found her new love and they were together and looks like permanent and she is planning to bring her daughter here. BTW, her new BF is PRC guy so she did not plan to hook a SG guy anyway.

It's just that kindergarden teacher has long tiring work hours, especially foreigner, when she starts work at 7am and ends by 6:30pm, she is tired. Or she work from 8am to 7pm and late-to-pick-children-up parent/guardian keeps her at the workplace until 7+pm. Her workplace in the west also meant I've to drove a fairly long distance to pick her up. So slowly, we did not carry on and we parted on good terms.

My learnt experience, student better, study time sure not as stressful as work time, it's just that when we are student, we always think school work is tough. Only when we come out to work that we realise work life is even much tougher.

Oh, and salaried man like myself, singer type in terms of timing is also not good to us, they are awake by 2-3pm, their active time is our energy-low time. I work 8am-6pm. I can hardly keep my eyes open by midnight. Anyway, more on the student type and singer type baoyees laters.

[simple2kee]

great story! :)

[NotMyRealName]

When I was going out with Ms X, her schedule and work also meant that we meet only once or twice a week, and it is pretty rushed as she wants to be home by 10pm as she has to wash clothes, prepare kindergarden material, etc. Sometimes, going out with her meant buying handicraft material for her class, sigh. Although she is eager to meet, everytime rushing to meet her at 7:30pm (although she leave work by 7pm) a couple of bus stops away from her work place in order for her to avoid being seen by her ward's parent or colleagues and then rushing her back at 10pm meant sometimes we cannot go to movie or have a bit more time together.

Anyway, that is when TT comes into the picture. TT saw my previous on-line ad and sent me an email asking if I'm still looking for a baoyee.

I forgot to say here that what my ad says: "On behalf of my friend, he is a matured Singaporean gentlemen looking for a sugar babe, preferably PRC student between age of 18-23 and willing to offer S$1.5k/month. Two meet up on weekday night a week. Contact [email protected] via email or MSN chat for discussion about conditions."

[NotMyRealName]

TT has been studying as full time student in Singapore undergoing a 10-months duration English language course with a private institute. She has been here for 3 months when she send me an email.

She comes from Hubei Wuhan, born in 1990, she has just passed her 19 yrs old birthday a couple of months before we met. High school graduate and comes from middle income family, father is a junior-to-mid-level government official (副区长）, mother a factory manager in a state-own-enterprise. She is an only child. So, she is well to do, her allowance from her parents is S$2,000 and her school fees are fully paid for. And she said that whenever she is short of money, she just ask her parents and they will send another S$1,000 to S$2,000 with little question or advice to reduce her spending.

But, she is a strange one (and I've not met enough of this well-to-do type) where she said she don't want to use too much of her parents money, and she wants a mature BF who can take care of her needs. She said her baoyee condition is S$1,500 + pay for rental, and she can meet my conditions, and in fact, she said she is free most nights and she goes out once or twice a week to shop or party or have dinner with classmates only.

[NotMyRealName]

TT is young, pearly white skin, D size breasts, 1.63m tall but she likes to wear 3-4 inches heels, shapely and has a blurred looking expression. Her hair was dyed gold at that time. She was in a band that had went for small pub-organised competition. She sangs English and Chinese songs (she prefers our Stephanie Sun).

Her command of English language is good, she watches U.S. Tv shows via pptv and can follow the conversation without subtitles. She loves Broad Walk Empire and genre of the court room or legal type of drama.

Our first meet is just outside the Redhill MRT, she wears a low cut top that shows 2/3 of her fully developed breasts, and she looked radiant and walk with an air of confidence and she smiles. At that time, my command of Chinese is not good enough yet so sometimes I speak in English and she understands most of it without much need to repeat the sentence with use of alternative words/terms.

We went to a cafe and we sat down and chat. After about 10 minutes of ice breaking getting a bit of background of each other. She looked straight at me, a little shy smile and asked directly is she suitable to be my baoyee? I said she looked wonderful and I would love to take care of her. And we talked about the conditions, like willingness to meet up and she said as many times and I said I'm only free up to 3x a week and she said no problem. She asked for me to take care of her via 1.5k+rental which is above my normal comfort baoyee budget but I was mesmerised (and I never regretted it later) and agreed to it. She shares a room with a classmate and she says she hoped to get her own room.

Within two weeks of looking for a room, found a condo master-room that is available immediately. Meanwhile, TT went back to Wuhan for 19 days and I gave her some money for her to spend.

She came back on time, and moved her stuff into the new room.

It is a brand new experience, to visit her any time I like, except for one or two nights when she goes out but she always comes back say by 8:30pm even on those nights that she goes out and accompany me. She loves to Sing so we goes KBox once in a while.

[NotMyRealName]

TT is the one that changes my long-held-concept-of PRC Chinese being more traditional than westerners. She will go out with me in a see through dress that her breast only taped with nipple tape. She will grab my hand and walk confidently.

On the bed, in the bath room, there is nothing she won't initiate or do. I like it when I didn't say I needed it, she asked me if I'm tired after I visit her, she let me rest and lie down while she pull down my pants and sucked me dry. Totally willing.

Unfortunately, its a package deal, is that her liberal attitude extends to her spending habit. First, she spends a lot on shopping and when she is moody, she spends even more. There was one month that she blows through my allowance and her parent's S$2k, and then she she request more from both her parents and me but I tolerated for a month and then she suddenly will say she regretted spending so much and she don't go out that often.

Sadly, her student visa was cancelled when MOE closed down a lot of private education institutes that did not managed to get the EDU-Trust mark and she failed in her request to transfer to another school. She has no tear and she is really someone with steel-heart.

I've learnt a lot from her, about her generations of post 90s, and it changes my perception that there is only the soft-easy-soothing-slow way to get baoyee to do what I desires.

[NotMyRealName]

My lessons learnt with regards to PRC student here on student pass and really are studying and not working as a hostess/butterfly in KTVs, there are liberal ones among them and you will need to look for them in the right place.

Depending on their situation and their awareness of rental/expenses in Singapore, 1.5K can get you some choices, but 2K seems to be the benchmark to tempt them to talk to you to explore the baoyang relationship. Incidentally, 10k RMB seems also the benchmark for PRC gal based in China to accept the baoyang relationship but you've to factor in your travelling cost/hotel bills/taking-leave to visit them. More on China-based baoyee later.

[NotMyRealName]

Baoyee Channel and Cost

Drop an article on their popular website, use QQ/weixin to lookaround, post ad using Chinese and English, these are low cost.

I do use a different QQ/Weixin and email from my usual chat with normal friends and acquaintances. When the baoyee ask, why my QQ ID so high number (10 or 11 digits), I said we Singaporean don't use QQ from young and I only use QQ in the past year. Resist your impulse to publish photos on your QQ/weixin. Use a pre-paid SIM card on a second phone that you put on slient or switched off.

[NotMyRealName]

There was this crazy one time that I did 3 gals within 8 hours, but of course not on the same bed. I haven't break with Ms X, and TT was newly taken on, while WF is on lukewarm relationship with me gradually going cold.

I saw Ms X in the afternoon after I took half day leave and she got early off at 3pm, and then I went to TT's place at 7pm and stayed until 10pm, and then I reached WF's place and after exhausted my third load, wobbly legs and aching waist/tummy muscles (apparently waist muscles gets used a lot) and a very unforgettable memory that I did all 3 gals within 8 hours.

But, with hindsight, I won't repeat this multiple gals relationship. We are busy Singaporean man, with work, family, other commitments to fulfill. One or maximum two is better. The excuses to tell each gal that you're busy has to be consistent so that you'll believe it yourself first. And the cost, wow the cost to keep all three even though two of them are on economy package (TT is 800, Wf agreed to lower to 1.2k, TT is 2k + rent = total 5k).

After exhausting my 13th month bonus, I decided I can only afford one girl on economy or 2K total monthly budget.

Ms X, then follow by TT, the separation is cool and undramatic. TT is because her student visa got cancelled by ICA and she couldn't get a transfer to another school to re-apply. Ms X is her timing cannot suit my availability and at most I see her once in one week or two. After ending it with Ms X and TT, WF is the only gal again but given her dedication to study and get good grades to prepare for her future and her widened social circle with her classmates, her dependency on me slowly goes away and she decided that we agreed to part ways in around mid 2011.

Meanwhile, a KTV singer came into my path in around the time when I only had WF in early 2011.

[NotMyRealName]

Ms C, from Fujian, 22 yrs old, come from a small town near NingDe, studied 3 yrs accountancy degree at Fuzhou University (专科 not 本科), and it was only later that I know that 4-years 本科 is higher than the 3-years type.


C is also 1.62m tall, 50kg, slightly 丰满, D size. Only now I realised that I have a certain preference to Fujian gal, which explains why my later attempts to look for fujian gal.

She worked as a book keeper for less than a year in Fuzhou, and then was jobless. Borrowed money and came to Singapore on KTV singer pass. The lounge she work as, only starts from 9:30pm, so she butterfly in KTV lounges at Peace ctr during the HH.

When I saw her, she is already in the fourth month of her singer pass permit, and she said that she only pushed door during the first month, and subsequent two months she didn't dare to because she has put on weight and her confidence was low. But no choice, she couldn't meet her target in her lounge and she has to pay fine, so she starts to push door again.

She came to SG with her best friend FF (same town, one street away, since primary school until Uni), but FF is posted by her SG agent to another lounge and stays in a different accommodation.

I've learnt that I shouldn't try to KC a gal with good friend, sisters who are also here in Singapore. They have a wider social circle and will check with each other for information or on how to get their guy to give up their money.

Ms C is a bit better, in that she felt that she needed help with her monthly lounge target, and she wants to learn a skill when she is back in China because she felt that she cannot do well using her accountancy degree can only get her a job of around 1.5k to 2.2k rmb.

For two months, Ms C and I got closer and I helped her with her lounge target via hanging flower. We didn't do it while she is here. When she got back, I arranged a trip to Xiamen and she was there to meet me.

[Rain-Men]

Bro...great stuff you are posting here. Absorbing the invaluable experience that you are imparting......:)

[wonderbeezz]

That is really informative!
Thanks bro

[NotMyRealName]

Bro...great stuff you are posting here. Absorbing the invaluable experience that you are imparting......:)

Thanks Bro Rain-Men.

That is really informative!
Thanks bro

Thanks Bro wonderbeezz.

It gives me motivation to write my story.

[NotMyRealName]

By the time I go and visit Ms C in Xiamen in May 2011, I still have WF in SG but the feeling has waned and we hardly see each other like once in two weeks.

Anyway, back to Ms C. First time visiting a gal in China, and we choose Xiamen because I'm unfamiliar with Fuzhou where she lives with her cousin. Her sister is studying in a unversity in Xiamen, and her good friend FF also came. I though, hmm, three gals, but I did book two rooms, sigh so no hope for FFM.

We visited GuLangYu, the touristy little island very close to Xiamen and a huge botanical garden near JiMei of Xiamen. C is very sexy in red pajamas and we only had heavy petting and she wasn't very responsive nor proactive to my advances so I didn't move beyond 3rd base with her. Sigh. Stupid of me.

Anyway, short trip and over in 4 days. She and FF sent me to the airport and I promised to see her again in about two months.

[NotMyRealName]

Ms C and I agreed that I'll give her allowance of 6K RMB and she will live in Fuzhou and I'll probably visit her once every six or eight weeks. She will take up a nail-artist (is this the right term for 美甲) which she will take about 4 months to learn.

In one month, I've an opportunity to visit HangZhou for business and I asked her to join me there, plus I'll extend my stay in Shanghai and she can visit Shanghai for the first time as well. She asked if her sister can join us for the trip because her sister "Y" had never been outside of Fujian province and I said I'll book a room for her sister while C has to stay in our room. She said ok.

She and her sis join me in HangZhou, she was tired on her first night and I from the flight and meeting, she slept with her sister in the room I book for her sister. The next day, I told C that the second night she has to accompany me and she said why not she be in my room while in Shanghai. I relented.

We went to Shanghai on the 3rd day, and surprisingly it was windy and cool at about 17 degC while HangZhou was 28 DegC. We checked into the hotel, get our two rooms and C accompany me that night. Still, no success beyond 3rd base and she still wasn't very responsive to my touches or kisses. I asked her and she said give her time as she long time has not had sex.

I left Shanghai on my fifth day of the HangZhou-Shanghai trip while the sisters stayed another night to explore Shanghai. I heard from them that they enjoyed the exploration bit very much.

By the way, her sister Y is still in contact with me even after C and I broke-up but Y and I are just friends.

[NotMyRealName]

In June 2011, C message me urgently to say that her mother's back-ache had gone worse (she told me before that her mother suffers severe back ache) and cannot get down from bed. She asked me for money and I sent her 20k rmb. Her mother had an operation and C stayed in their old home town near NingDe for a month and this disrupts her 美甲training.

She went back to continue her training. She now said that her bed room with her cousin is now rented out by her cousin's husband and she wanted her own place. Instead of settling on a master-room, or a one-room apartment, she asked if she can get a two-bedroom apartment so that she can invite her friends over. I gave in and said ok. I think with hindsight, I gave in too much to her wants. The apartment costs 1.5K rmb, and now my allowance to her has been upped to 8.5k rmb. And her course fees are paid by me as well.

In the mean time until Nov 2011, I visited her in Fuzhou 3 times. Only the first time she came to the Fuzhou airport to fetch me. It coincide with her move from her cousin's place (she was sleeping on the sofa since the room was rented out to a family), buy household items from the nearby Carrefour and carry them to the new place (500m walk), help clean the place. Fortunately, we make out this time. Although, she is still very reactive, and despite her large D size breasts, she asked that I don't grab them or shake them as she felt dizzy when I did that. She also said that she has not much excitement from the insertion into her vagina and only felt stronger sensation when her clit area is touched rapidly. Until now, I still think that she is cool towards me because she doesn't really have strong feelings for me. I am just an ATM to her.

The next two trips, she had to attend training (although she can easily skip the training and pick up the training again another day) and I make my way to the apartment or from apartment to hotel.

She is lazy, she sleeps late like 1am, wakes up at 10am, doesn't buy breakfast, and she always qq chats on her phone even when we sat beside each other. I only told her that she is not paying attention on my second trip to Fuzhou and she promised she will pay more attention to me.

By my third and last trip to Fuzhou, she didn't improve in any area, either in responsiveness or tenderness towards me or in paying attention to me. I only felt heart warm once when she make lunch for me once. Other time, we call for food to be delivered.

After I came back, the last straw is she said despite her finished her nail training, she wants to open a nail beauty shop right away. I said she should build up a network of clients. She does not listen. She wants to make more money fast and she stubbornly thinks that just open a shop and it will make money. I tried my best to tell her in the nicest way that it doesn't work that way. Summing up my not-so-good memories with her, she has gone from attentive and nice while she was in Singapore to colder-and-colder attitude when she is back in Fuzhou, I told her we are not suitable for each other.

That's the end with C. She opened a tabacco and wine shop with two of her friends and learnt the lesson that good friends cannot be good biz partners plus opening a shop doesn't guarantee success. Then she turned to be married to guy from her old home town and they lived with her parents.

My lessons learnt this round, I'll share in the next post.

[NotMyRealName]

After the boayang of C, my lessons learnt are:

1. Make your intention known earlier. You want to have her, have her while in SG, taste the good.

2. Trust your instinct and logic, if you is not warm towards you while you're there. Don't spend anymore time or money with her.

3. Don't try to advice them too much, if they are young and unexposed to the harshness to the reality of work-life-business, all your energy spent on worrying for them is wasted in the end.

4. Baoyang in China is possible, even an ex-singer that came to SG before, at a budget of below 10k rmb.

C's friend - let's call her B, a lady at her same age and same qualifications, works in PCB design and travels abit in and around China, going to HangZhou, ShenZhen, Shanghai, and she is paid salary of about 5k RMB. B is articulate and dresses well because of her work exposure which deals with other professionals/engineers. To me, I regret not knowing B earlier than C because I sensed that B likes me, although at that time B has a PRC BF. C's other friend, FF, has came to Singapore a second round using singer permit, and FF had asked me before how much allowance I gave to C, FF was surprised C didn't give me full attention or pick me up from Airport etc, and FF said if she has a BF that give her 7k rmb a month, she will be very grateful and take good care of the BF. Btw, B, C, and FF are all from the same small town near NingDe.

[NotMyRealName]

After break-up with C, I had two other singers consecutively as GF but for very short time a month or two. Their demand are higher, like S$2.5k or S$3k. When they went back, this allowance amount plus my travel/hotel cost means at least S$3k+ each month on average.

I find that young gal and singer type means they are exposed to the high amount of money as they have seemed other singer take care by very rich guys.

So I changed my thinking, why only tackle singer who came to Singapore, let's go to the source and try to baoyang a PRC gal in PRC.

[NotMyRealName]

I think it will be last few more posts about past baoyees. This few rounds are 2 PRC gals who are in China, i.e. they are based there and never been here.

Side track a bit. There are a lot of China shangban (商伴） website, most are run by small syndicates or a boss/boss-lady have girls/contacts and they keep changing their photos (either real or copied from other websites) and they send whoever available to your hotel. After I tried 3x with these sites, I gave up and these gals are pro, they have seen all kind and they will talk to try and wring additional tips from you.

Back on track, out of the many China qingren （情人）website, if you have the patience to sieve through them, there are a few that are operated by more professionally-minded company or people. I register to three of them and surf the site for couple of months. Although these sites are better run, they cannot filter out gals/syndicates that pose as potential baoyee and then bring you to cafes/pub which they have arrangement to make you pay an inflated drinks/dinner bill which they'll split between themselves and the cafe/pub, or they ask you to transfer money for them to buy air-ticket/train-ticket for them to go and meet you but you know they'll disappear and come back on-line with new ID.

[NotMyRealName]

Found that there are many gals in China are open to be baoyee, and some goes for money+KC, some for KC+money, some for Money and they'll pretend to give you KC, they state quite openly or just add QQ and ask each other directly but not rudely.

They are less open for sugar-dad from overseas or across different cities although a few is open to meet once a month if you 出差 meaning you visit her city for work regularly, and some prefers it that way so that the chances of them being found out is less.

The site has minimum age at 18, although there were gals that put that age, but are actually just 17, once I almost tempted to chat further with one such girl from GuangDong, bust after her opening asking monthly allowance of 30k rmb and a rental apartment and a car, I backed out very quickly since it's way out of my budget. Later, she must have found out that no man will meet that price that she backed down to I think 20k rmb and a rental apartment but that's another story.

Many targets and chats later, after a month plus, I settled on two potentials, one backed-out because she was unsure about becoming baoyee after all and I didn't pursue. Left one finance graduate JiangSu lady working as customer service manager for a stock-broking firm in Xiamen, 23 yrs old. She can read English easily. She asks for 10k rmb a month. Can meet anytime weekday or weekend. Chatting online with her for two months, she said early on that I sounded cultured and she is okay to meet up. I arranged to fly to Xiamen and she will meet me at the airport.

[12121212]

Great sharing...continue pls TS

[studdyme]

camping for more!

[NotMyRealName]

Sorry, I've to go back one step to say about one of the two singer girls, M, she comes from Fujian as well, like Ms C. But her place is even more ulu. She lost her dad when she is young. Her mom brought her elder sister, M, and a younger sister, and twin brothers to FuAn town. She didn't finish lower secondary and the highest educated is her young twin brothers currently in high secondary.

M is not very articulate, 26 yrs old, worked as factory worker and clothes stall and 7-11 type convenience store cashier. She has very sweet face, good height at 1.65m, good figures and C boobs. However, talking with her is much difficult because she education is low. I sometimes felt like talking to a secondary school student literally.

She was here on singer pass but do not need to sing at her company/pub. But barely here one month, one of the lady of her batch was caught prostituting in a hotel raid by anti-vice and her batch of eight girls who came here on singer pass were all cancelled and sent back.

When she go back, she laments that she has to settle her debt that she incurred when she borrowed to pay the agent fee, about 25k rmb. She went to walk in KTV joints in PuTian and GuangZhou to try and earn money to repay her debt. She said she don't sleep with people.

I offered to help her in her debt and she said she wants me to be her BF, and asked to meet me after I sent her the money. I took a chance since she is simple minded which didn't turn out to be false, unlike most cases. She asked for monthly allowance of 5k rmb and she said once she settled in her regular job, she doesn't need money from me.

So we arranged to meet 14 days after CNY in ShenZhen. I asked her to talk a flight and she said no, she will take long distance bus as it cost less.

We met at my hotel lobby and we had sex 3 times. I realise later that she and I totally cannot communicate, while she always think and worry about daily living and her mom, sister and brothers (eldest sister is married) and being put down by her aunt who came to her family's rented apartment to say how the aunt's family is and how filial her cousin is to help pay for down payment for her aunt's apartment, basically show off. It puts her down in mood for at least two weeks.

I told her I get GF to share my worries, but every other day she doesn't say anything of interest to me. And then one day, she said she had to travel back to her old home village to help her grandfather (mom's side) to pick tea-leaves. She arrived there and we chatted once a day because her phone sometimes no signal in the mountainous area.

But suddenly, there is nothing for 10 weeks. In between, I called her phone and no signal, sent countless sms, call her younger sister and sms her younger sister, all I got from them once in a long while is that she is with her grandfather.

I don't want to wait so long so I looked on the qingren website and shortlisted the two girls. Arranged to meet the first one that responded, i.e. the customer relationship manager from the stockbroking firm.

Well, eventually, on my second day in Xiamen after I consummated with the new girl, R, suddenly M sms me to say she is on a long-distance-bus and on the way back to FuAn. I didn't reply and only on the last day in Xiamen that I sms reply her that we are through, that we had a pact that she message me every day and she broke it. She said sorry, her sim out of money, and I said if she tried, she can get to nearest town to top up and sms me. She has no reply. She herself felt 委屈，I said this is a relationship that need her to work at it. She said give her a chance. I told her I gave her a chance for 10 weeks, it's more than I can take. From then on, I ignored her. But M returns on another episode to try to get me to sponsor her again, more on M a few posts later.

[NotMyRealName]

Back to the Xiamen meet-up with Ms Z. She had two previous arranged meet-up where the guys didn't turn up. And my plane was late, and she doesn't exactly match her on-line photo, 80% match lah.

So when I called her after I couldn't find her, she appeared in front of me and I recognised that I had passed her once after I walk through the checkpoint and walking around to locate her.

She talks well, graduated from a Sichuan university 本科, we went in a cab to my pre-booked hotel. After she entered my room, I passed her a small gift and she cried, joyfully. She said she was disappointed with all the failed meet-ups and her family needed money to settle debt (familiar story) because her father and elder brother back in her village home borrowed money to buy certain plant seeds but the sale price for the finished product was lower than the cost and they suffered huge loss to the tune of 300k rmb. She is not asking for help with the debt itself, but offer herself as baoyee at 10k rmb a month.

I agreed and passed her the money rightaway, she said how come I accepted her (in my mind, I think I already made the trip, might as well have her stay-in to accompany me, if it doesn't work out, so be it), I said let's try it out, she said she wants long term relationship and not a per trip per session arrangement, I said ok. We had sex several times and she is very responsive, shouting laogong and very easily aroused and climaxed.

Her character is between sunny and dark, so sometimes she can say nice and sweet things, and sometimes she is defensive and sharp in her sms/qq response. But, the trip was great and we both enjoyed ourselves. She said she cannot wait for my next visit. She keeps bugging me on qq when can I go see her, as she felt even more lonely after having met me and had such a good time that after I left, she felt worse.

I think what the hell, this sort of baoyee got a lot of KC demand. Secondly, she confided that she had waited for a rich guy who she has not met, but the guy is a rich businessman featured on JiangSu provincial TV and newspapers, and sent his driver to bring money to her village home to pass to her father and brother despite not having met her. They only chatted on phone/qq. But that guy was diagnosed with cancer and had to be hospitalised and his wife is accompanying him for six months at the hospital so she has not heard about arrangement for her to relocate to that guy's subsidiary company which he had promised.

I don't like to be compared. I think her sunny/dark mood switch it is a signal that she is emotional. And, she wasn't that great looking. I said I wish her the best and that guy she is waiting for will contact her to give her a better life.

I saw her ad post appeared on the qingren website for at least 3 months and then her ID gone silent. That's the end of story with Z.

[NotMyRealName]

After Z, I realised that I should weigh the pros and cons of having baoyee in China.

Pros:
- By right, lower cost
- Meets non KTV girl, i.e. normal career girl or student, fresher stock
- Can treat it as a trip to relax and enjoy

Cons:
- Actually, not lower cost, after factoring air tickets and hotel
- They have KC and Money demand. Some can be 7 or 8k rmb, but most (98%) asked for 10k rmb or higher (younger girl, or big city like Shanghai and BeiJing)
- If you are not based there, you don't really have a chance to know what they do or who they do things with
- My work doesn't go China often, once a year only, so I've to take leave and making excuses to family is not easy


Still, I tried it once more with Ms D also at Xiamen. And although it was great, she is higher maintenance and less clingy which meant hardly a message a day. I think I wouldn't tell the story with D since it turn out to be the same.

However, if I'm based in China, I'll use the QingRen website to look for baoyee more seriously since there are lots of girl/women looking for QingRen relationship in China. It's just that Singapore is far, looking local is easier and probably more suitable time wise.

Next girl, my current baoyee, is a 20 yo PRC student found through the QingRen website but she is located in Singapore. She is probably the same as TT, one of the student that I had mentioned in one of my earlier posts.

[Rain-Men]

Bro..enjoyed ur experience sharing...and currently I am actually trying to hook up a ktv singer ...but feel it is not that easy. Money is definitely one factor..and also there's this KC trap...feeling the emo will sink me in if she's gone....well just taking a small step each time.

[NotMyRealName]

Bro..enjoyed ur experience sharing...and currently I am actually trying to hook up a ktv singer ...but feel it is not that easy. Money is definitely one factor..and also there's this KC trap...feeling the emo will sink me in if she's gone....well just taking a small step each time.

I don't consider myself successful at hooking a KTV singer, my experience is that it's a money game. The KTV gal/s that I had or had tried, will occasionally or frequently (depending on their eagerness/lack-of-tact to tell you to give her more money) drop hints that "you know, that day my jiemei/sisters saw this rich guy hang S$20k on his favourite singer and S$500 on every singer, and gave his GF a diamond studded watch". Once this hint is dropped, I think that no amount of KC from you can sway her towards you, or even if you hooked her, she will always compare you to other rich guys. They are here for the Money. KC, given their so called above average beauty, she can get from where she came from.

My thinking is that don't go for the successful ones, i.e. those got the most flowers hanged on them, because you're in a bidding process. Bid for one that is in the lower half, that she knows she has hard time to meet her monthly target. You can always say upfront that you've limited money but will always help her. Once she ever go out with you and didn't ask for tip from you, you've made a great step forward. Preferably, the girl doesn't have other good friend or cousin/sister that are here because they will always psycho her that she can get a better find.

You also have to project a sense of confidence despite your saying that you're not rich. A girl likes to see that a guy is confident. If you appear too eager and at her beck and call, then she may lose interest in you. The thing is to plant in her head that you're a worthy find, and you are not easy to get (unlike the other way around that you think she is not easy to get), you've a job that takes up your time and you don't sacrifice you're main work to be with her all the time. If she brings up the issue of money, listen for hints that she is hoping to get $x or just to fulfill her target (S$2k - $4.8k a month). Ultimately, I think it is difficult, I have better chance with non-singer who butterfly at KTVs because you get more variety of background (student, first time here, etc etc) and target usually lower (your $150-$200 booking goes a long way to sweet talk such girl).

[NotMyRealName]

The qingren websites have many girls and women looking for qingren/lover relationship and 99.999% is money+KC.

There are many posts on how not to get fooled or fall for a trap whereby the girl is actually in league with the cafe/restaurant to make you pay inflated bill where she gets a cut. Plenty of examples of that. There are many posts also that girls fall for trap that guys had sex with them on first meet and even steal from them. Sigh, so beware. Usually, the young pretty photos are fake/copied and the general description usually meant the girl just answer simple what-type-of-guy-she-looking-for questions on her post. I've to filtered many posts.

I've make a dozen girl friends whom I've never met and will not likely go into a relationship but we advise each other on stuffs and just sharing. One girl is such a good friend that she shared her relationships with her two consecutive qingren (she is married with one child, has a business) and I shared mine with her. She is open minded in the sense that she advise me that whichever girl that I find who are okay to talk with and reasonable asking allowance, just try. She say fun is hard to get in this day and age. Interesting, btw, she is in her mid 30s. Her first qingren gave her the money for her to open a shop. She found out that her second qingren found a younger girl and she breaks with him.

[hunted]

Bro. I had many chances to bao gals but I choose not too. For me the reason to choose not too is because:

a. Cost vs. benefits
- Not cost effective. (I can do many things with 2k a month of entertainment fees)
- Benefits not there as we will sometimes get the blunt of the unhappinesses especially when they complain everything under the sun.
- My little brother's benefit for these, not worthwhile.

b. Strings attached if either has developed feelings. (Very difficult not too though, cos having GFE is the best.)

Alittle story I could just tell about myself is:

I was seconded to China to work for 8 years. I had my fair share of ONS, partners, FBs. My budget for entertainment in China was about 20kRMB a month. I went to the same KTV 6 days a week for 6 months. Trying out almost every gal there. I even managed to hook up a MUMMY. (BAD MOVE!).

The Mummy's stint was the killer. She offered to be my Mrs. China. Which that time I was thinking with my little brother. NO NEED TO PAY A MONTHLY FEE. Well that time it looked at a good deal and I accepted it.

1st move -
SHE SENT A MESSAGE ALL GALS AND ALL MUMMY FRIENDS. Don't do my business. When they do my business, she has to be around!

2nd move -
She wants to stay with me, well I had my own apartment and everything else. She made sure the security guard tells her everything!!!!!!

I finally couldn't accept it and I told her I will pay her a monthly fee of 10k. She did the unexpected to me. She say she pay me 10k to be with me. WTF!!!!!

I will have to admit sex was great! More than great. We did it everywhere, Universities, toilets, car, garden, Spa, Ski resort, etc.

I told her we will need to cool off and I moved to another city in China. Well the story didn't quite end there but its a reminder for me.

DON'T HAVE A MISTRESS, DON'T BAO, DON'T FALL INTO THE KC TRAP

DO IT WITH THE SAME GAL AT MOST 5 TIMES, DO IT WITH MONEY INVOLVED.

If just want to find ppl to talk, FIND BROTHERS to talk cock sing song. KTV, Sauna, Massage, drinking will cost you about the same.

THE BEST OF ALL THESE ARE CONTROLLABLE.

[NotMyRealName]

Bro. I had many chances to bao gals but I choose not too. For me the reason to choose not too is because:

a. Cost vs. benefits
- Not cost effective. (I can do many things with 2k a month of entertainment fees)
- Benefits not there as we will sometimes get the blunt of the unhappinesses especially when they complain everything under the sun.
- My little brother's benefit for these, not worthwhile.

b. Strings attached if either has developed feelings. (Very difficult not too though, cos having GFE is the best.)

Alittle story I could just tell about myself is:

I was seconded to China to work for 8 years. I had my fair share of ONS, partners, FBs. My budget for entertainment in China was about 20kRMB a month. I went to the same KTV 6 days a week for 6 months. Trying out almost every gal there. I even managed to hook up a MUMMY. (BAD MOVE!).

...

DON'T HAVE A MISTRESS, DON'T BAO, DON'T FALL INTO THE KC TRAP

DO IT WITH THE SAME GAL AT MOST 5 TIMES, DO IT WITH MONEY INVOLVED.

If just want to find ppl to talk, FIND BROTHERS to talk cock sing song. KTV, Sauna, Massage, drinking will cost you about the same.

THE BEST OF ALL THESE ARE CONTROLLABLE.

Very good sharing of your experience. May I ask if that time when you are posted to China, were you married?

and I totally understand and agree with you about the part "we will sometimes get the blunt of the unhappinesses especially when they complain everything under the sun."

The mummy paying you, that's a lot of KC from that mummy.

But, each guy has their own reason/s and budget of money/kc they want.

I'm just sharing my own experience.

[Rain-Men]

Thanks bro for your sharing...I guess the KC is strong in my case and I have made the grave mistake of being there for her when she needs me. Well she's the kind of singer that falls into the "poor" category trying to make ends meet (well at least that's what I know). Recently there's a big fish after her...guess I can't match the fish power...walau one night can do few thousands flower...how to fight??:o

Anyway, taking a step back, I deleted her number, trying to cool things a bit and be more rationale. Becos I just feel that I am revolving my world around her...time to regain control...if she happens to call me, I will do it in a "cooler" attitude now. Yea, I am a busy person..with things to do...not just revolving my world around 1 gal. Thanks again for the pointers....kind of wakes me up abit.

[NotMyRealName]

Thanks bro for your sharing...I guess the KC is strong in my case and I have made the grave mistake of being there for her when she needs me. Well she's the kind of singer that falls into the "poor" category trying to make ends meet (well at least that's what I know). Recently there's a big fish after her...guess I can't match the fish power...walau one night can do few thousands flower...how to fight??:o

Anyway, taking a step back, I deleted her number, trying to cool things a bit and be more rationale. Becos I just feel that I am revolving my world around her...time to regain control...if she happens to call me, I will do it in a "cooler" attitude now. Yea, I am a busy person..with things to do...not just revolving my world around 1 gal. Thanks again for the pointers....kind of wakes me up abit.

Actually, we need to remind ourselves once in a while of who we are and what we are after.

Keep the line of communications, once in a while sends message to say how is she, that's all. Act cool doesn't mean no communications, what's there to lose.

[NotMyRealName]

My current baoyee, J, is in SG, she comes from Fujian (I wonder why I always seem to get the Fujian ones, although this one is really by chance). Found her through a China QingRen website when she is here in SG, i.e. she posted an ad there while she is here, so I think it was a lucky find.

She is 20, 1.65m tall, 47kg, B+ boobs, high school educated and here in SG in a 1 year English course and plans to enter local private university.

She came here in October or so. Her level of English is weak but slowly improving because she works part-time as a waitress here and have to interact a little with customers and colleagues.

She is green and blur in lots of things but she is not a virgin. Anyway, test drive her in the car after two previous casual outings. She is demure and shy in normal settings but when aroused, she is a sex kitten. When normal chat or texting, any suggestion on the sexual kind will prompt her reply "so shy, why you so direct", while when she is aroused, she will say "插我，操我“。Huge contrast.

been with her for couple of months, and I am a bit sian of the green student type. More of my analysis on next post.

[NotMyRealName]

Having had PRC baoyees both here in SG and in China, I now have an aversion for those born in 1989-1990x type, or that I considered the less matured ones.

Pros:
1. Fresher, more radiant and naive (good or bad ;-)
2. Can KC, to manage cost demand
3. More open and sometimes more direct

Cons:
1. Naive
2. Wider range of demands and expectations
3. Lack tact, limited common area for small talks


Baoyees, even if you insist and repeatedly reminded them, are not attentive to your needs, i.e. need to keep communication channel open and update you. If they only respond to you, or initiate message to you once in a blue moon, I know its a sign that they are not doing their part of the deal. If I want only sex and no KC (or attention), then GL or Orchard Towers are cheaper and more convenient.

Only two PRC gals, both 23 yrs old when I met them (one here in SG and one there in Xiamen), is my ideal type of baoyees. Knows their place, reasonable demand, worked for two years or more in diverse jobs and exposed to the world, more open acceptance to try things (both happens to invite to join her in the shower and rubs my back ;-)

Nevertheless, enjoy each variety and got bored. So now less willing to expend money, time and brain power to look for baoyee. Let the current one goes as long as I please and see how things go.

[dreamlight]

looking forward to more posts :D

[Rain-Men]

well bro...actually I thought my emo is gng into spillover..and the thought of having her num will seriously tilt me over. Call me a loser or what..so the only choice to keep myself sane is to just remove that num. I think that peace will calm me down and keep things in check. Moreover, what i feel is if she has some liking of me..she will probably call or sms me...then i start acting cool back...well worse case is she doesn't call...and if that happens..i know i have nip the bud and prevent this whole affair from spinning out of control.

[NotMyRealName]

well bro...actually I thought my emo is gng into spillover..and the thought of having her num will seriously tilt me over. Call me a loser or what..so the only choice to keep myself sane is to just remove that num. I think that peace will calm me down and keep things in check. Moreover, what i feel is if she has some liking of me..she will probably call or sms me...then i start acting cool back...well worse case is she doesn't call...and if that happens..i know i have nip the bud and prevent this whole affair from spinning out of control.

May peace be upon you ;p

Actually, what we think that we know, 99% they put an act to give us that thought that they have feeling for us. They are battle hardened by the time they are here to work in KTVs. If not, after a week, they are not green horn as man will try their sweet words and their hands and stick to get to them.

[NotMyRealName]

Going back over my rough records of PRC/Malaysia/SG gfs/baoyees, I know that I am attracted to:

1. PYT (legal young) like 19-23 yo.
2. Don't quite like very petite type so prefer > 1.6m but below 1.71m,
3. High school educated.

Their world, revolves around themselves and friends of their age. If not for sexual attraction, there is no common topic to talk about, they talk fashion/entertainment/mobile games.

But what logically will suit me, than a very short term r/s with gal that will bore me, will be:
i. More mature, 25 to mid 30s
ii. More exposure, e.g. have travelled, won't asked naive question like you mean China passport while in Singapore and want to go Malaysia need to get entry visa pre-approved? What do you mean buy air-ticket through on-line? 银联卡 really can use in Singapore?
iii. most importantly, connects with me in the mind and knows the pleasure of body.

What I like doesn't match with what will suit me because:
1. If need to have meaningful conversation, we should try to widen our social circle and make real meaningful friends. So, we need the soft touch of a woman. In real life, cannot have them both, it threathens our normal life. See recent scandal of the ex-house speaker.
2. The type that fits i. to iii. are not usually the type that comes into my normal work/lifestyle.

But, dangerous to have the girl who fit i. to iii., because this is more like wife material.

Like life, I realised I cannot have them all. Hmm, perhaps one baoyee that satisfy the body and another as GF that connects at the mind. ;-)

[12121212]

TS...pls come back..you are providing good info

[NotMyRealName]

TS...pls come back..you are providing good info

Hi 12121212, not much happening these days due to holidays and energy ($ & body) low.

Just an update, one of my previous GF, a singer from hunan, she is back now in Singapore last week on singer pass. I see if I go to her work place or bump into her at the usual ktv places. When she gone back, I break with her the instant she touched down and got a sim card to sms me her china phone number, I citing that I won't go to hunan to look for her and its best to break while having good memories. She was bitter but she has a malaysian bf when she gone to Malaysia to work as a singer until two months ago when she go back to Hunan.

Anyway, I broke off with the fujian student baoyee (she is here on student pass and works part time as a waitress) because after two months plus, not much GFE feelings and she hardly message me (which is a condition that I lay down since the beginning that she has to message me everyday) in between the meet-ups.

Now, only with a singer that will go back to chengdu in end March.

Anyway, all the best in your baoying experiences and hopefully sharing by other bros.

[NotMyRealName]

My singer gf try to make me jealous when I go to her work place, she drink and play games at two other tables, but only one table hang her $50 flower. She sits with me less than 1/4 the time she sits at each of the other two table. When she comes by my table, she said in a drunken tone that she is glad to have met me during her six month stint in SG, and she wishes that I take care of her for her entire life, I replied that I don't want to promise what I cannot fulfill and I don't want to lie. She sounded a bit shocked that I didn't sweet talk to her.

Anyway, I play it cool, telling her soothingly that she should drink less, not good for her etc etc. And I told her I've got to leave by 12 midnight and she replied in a displeased tone why not I leave right away. I kept my cool and drink with a friend (guy) whom I brought to her work place for the first time and said that I've to accompany my friend here for a while. Her singer friend come by and whisper to me that my gf is drunk and need me to take care of her. I said if she is drinking at the other table, I also cannot just drag her from those table, what will those guys think.

Last night, I didn't hang any flower on her.

Anyway by the time I leave at 11:25pm, she suddenly accompany to outside the ktv door and hug me and cried on my shoulders and eyes red we said good bye.

I think either party is playing the mind game.

[NotMyRealName]

Cooling off period, be it for a purchase or for a r/s (fake or real), is a good thing from the buyer perspective.

I have experienced that in a sudden rush of strong feelings for a gal, that despite the rapidly thinning wallet, that without much prompting or for sound-too-bad-to-be-true-if-I-question-myself-or-her (mom sick, brother need school fees, family want to move house because cannot stand the brother and his wife, want to rent a better place etc etc). Half the time it is true but the extent was exaggerated 2x/3x/10x.

So, cool off, go to another KTV joint, pick a couple of gals that looks good to my eyes, and once the same sob stories flows, then I wake up. Hahaha.

So don't forget the forest.

[Rain-Men]

Totally agree bro..sometimes need to walk away..chill out before coming back. Can literally "wake up your own idea"!:D Well...I just "woke up" recently also...:)

[fishlover]

Thank you TS and other Bros for such an infomative and educational thread!

[12121212]

Thank you TS and other Bros for such an infomative and educational thread!

yupz..it will be good if TS share more of his stories...:)

[eeemen]

Interesting read, and sharing of information. Thanks bro TS, and all the best in your search, :D, cheers, ..........

[NotMyRealName]

Thanks for all the feedback, sharing, and encouragements.

[NotMyRealName]

One of my previous singer gf, after going back for a nearly two years, she became engaged in August last year, and then two days ago got married (big pregnant tummy).

She was cute, bubbly, and of a slightly chubby face, body and bottom that are killer attractive to me. sigh.

Caveat: not all her info I have verified, but her education background is quite correct because I met her good friends from her uni hostel who are all from her faculty. She has a 3 years accountancy degree (专科）from Fuzhou University but she cannot get a job that utilises her skill. She worked as a book keeper in a small factory on low 1400rmb monthly pay. So less than a year, she quits. She was living with her then BF whom after 2 plus years they split, she citing his immaturity and spendthrift habits (actually, she also heavy spender).

Then she help out in her family small mushroom farm. Then her father tried to boost income by bulk buying of feedstock/fertiliser but the move backfired with majority of stock unsold and oweing relatives and bank loans. So she came to SG to work as singer to help repay.

I was then smittened, eyes blurred by my liking her physical attributes while she is quite lazy in nature, spends a lot, and we carried on the relationship after she gone back in March 2011, until November 2011 when she keeps changing her mind to work as 美甲师 in Singapore or open a 美甲shop in China and she took on an English course that cost 8888 rmb for 3 months and yet she abandon her idea of coming to singapore to work as 美甲师 .

I woke up from giving to her wilful desires and I sensed her dwindling feelings for me by September 2011. After a visit in end October 2011 to Fuzhou to see her, I woke up and knows she is not for me.

When she was engaged in August last year, I was feeling a little bit sad, but also a bit glad that the feeling has died down so much. I don't wish her ill and I had good time during the initial period when I really liked her. I and her, plus her sister and her good friend (1 guy 3 gals) had toured Xiamen, HangZhou, and Fuzhou. In Fuzhou, she introduced me to four of her best friends. The mid 80后 and younger gals are open and are fun to be with if you can engage with them. It's just that topics that are of interest to them are of little or no interest to me, such as entertainment scene, the TV/movie stars, their daily grind.

Just my rumblings.

My motto: Got to have fun today and not postpone till tomorrow!

[Brainstorm]

When I saw her, she is already in the fourth month of her singer pass permit, and she said that she only pushed door during the first month, and subsequent two months she didn't dare to because she has put on weight and her confidence was low. But no choice, she couldn't meet her target in her lounge and she has to pay fine, so she starts to push door again.

What does push door mean?

[NotMyRealName]

What does push door mean?

butterfly, 跑台。

[AvgJoe]

Interesting read and good information sharing. Like the way you pen it, simple and straightforward experience sharing from your own point of view.

Each and everyone plays the game differently, with the same goal in mind. Good luck and continue sharing your experience!

[12121212]

Interesting read and good information sharing. Like the way you pen it, simple and straightforward experience sharing from your own point of view.

Each and everyone plays the game differently, with the same goal in mind. Good luck and continue sharing your experience!

Yup..totally agree...

[NotMyRealName]

Thanks guys for your kind remarks.

My singer gf has now asked me, on two different occasions, to make love.

Call me stupid but I haven't yet. I told her that I wanted to hold it off until she gone back and I visit her in China. I cited that my past record of forgetting about the girl or the feelings grown weak over the distance and time and I wanted to reserve something for the future meet up. Each time she ended up teary eyes and a bit uncomfortable.

I know most guys will think and will say I'm stupid. It is the first time I've hold off the sex and refused the girl. I'm playing this the first time. Actually, I'm playing the test-myself plus my sex drive has gone down recently, but I'll probably make love to her the next time (while here in SG) we got close again.

I am a very busy working man, and girls are aplenty, and I've loved no girl. I will classify the strongest feelings I've ever had as "like the girl very much" but it caused no serious damage, yet so far.

Some girls upon me telling them that I've have had girl friends had asked me if I miss them, I told them a bit but I've got over them quickly. They have all said (I think most girls except the very battle-worn and iron-hearted ones are romantics in their mind) that it is because I haven't met the ONE. I doubt so.

And nowadays I practice the go to another place to look at pleasant and pretty gals to ween me off the girl-I-like-atthe-moment feeling.

I'll pick this up after a few days or development.

[LovePotion]

wow u r the real man :)

[NotMyRealName]

wow u r the real man :)

Thanks bro LovePotion. I'm just a normal salaried man with a bit of extra pocket money. I cannot afford to think to hang $1k of flowers (my heart pain even at the thought of it).

[NotMyRealName]

I've previously mentioned that my singer gf has asked me, on two different occasions, to make love and I've hold it off saying I want to wait till the time is right or after she go back to China and I go and visit her.

We've made love early this week. She was nervous, but once I stripped her naked and I placed my tool near her entrance and teased her not more than 5 secs, she grabbed it to rub against her pussy and she eagerly wants to be poked.

Sparring the details, it was great to anticipate the sex but a bit of a down once it was done. I think I can confirm I'm heartless, because right after the sex, I already think of where or how to get the next girl I desire.

One of my ex-gf weixin chat me out of the blue. Maybe I play the long game and see if she wants to meet up. No harm since it's just spare time that I chat with her.